The mere allegation that he raped someone and was present during gang rapes is enough to vote no. Remember, its not a court of law where things need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Its a simple job interview where people routinely get disqualified for small things like giving the wrong answer on a job related question. Rape is a big thing, and the mere accusation is more than enough to not proceed.
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The mere allegation that he raped someone and was present during gang rapes is enough to vote no. Remember, its not a court of law where things need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Its a simple job interview where people routinely get disqualified for small things like giving the wrong answer on a job related question. Rape is a big thing, and the mere accusation is more than enough to not proceed.
Yep, an utter clusterfeck of a political party - especially given the position that America is in right now.
No idea to be fair.
But right now, the FBI serves at the pleasure of Trump, as far as being used to investigate the alleged misdeeds of Kavanaugh. And as long as the Republicans control the Senate they yay/nay the equal power of Congress to investigate these crimes. That's an indication that the system is broken. If I recall correctly, Watergate proceeded more rapidly once the Democrats regained control of the Senate.
I'm surprised it took this long for a men's rights activist to show up here
Amazing then how the Catholic Church has paid out over $3 billion in lawsuit settlements from sexual assault charges filed mostly by men.
You keep saying all this but what is your explanation of her talking to her psychiatrist six years ago. Playing the long game or was this psychiatrist meeting fabricated? The July 1st entry on Kavanaugh's calendar sounds like the kind of gathering Ford says she attended - even down to the names involved. Kavanaugh says he didn't know Ford or met with her yet she could recall all these people at the gathering.
Then there's the known lies by Kavanaugh yesterday, or are you saying he was telling the truth about all of them/it doesn't matter lying in a job interview.
To victim blamers and people with shit for brains, perhaps. To any legitimate legal process or to people with an ounce of respect for others - regardless of whether you believe they somehow waived all their rights to speak or seek justice because of a political donation or attending a march - it warrants being taken seriously and having a proper investigation by the relevant agency. In this case it's the FBI, not a bunch of hot-headed politicians in a public showtrial.
That’s a pretty disgusting comment by any standard.
In a just society her claims would be investigated, not mocked.
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Remember when Trump said he could shoot someone in the middle of Time Square and all his voters would still vote for him?
Remarkably this is proving to be the truth
Remarkably this is proving to be the truth
I can't recall the thread off the top of my head. It was related to history in which @Carolina Red and I were engaging with him at the time. Sometime last year.
If Trump had any sense he should have flown to Paris for the Ryder cup as this is largely a group of guys waffling, where nothing will happen.
5th Avenue*Remember when Trump said he could shoot someone in the middle of Time Square and all his voters would still vote for him?
Remarkably this is proving to be the truth
Will Flake flip? He's having side meetings with a Democrat friend of his that was disappointed with his decision to back Kavanagh.
He will not flip, while wearing a look of contriteness and humility and sadness on his face
It would be un-flake like for him to change his mind.
Because a traumatic event should be immediately relived by anyone and everyone who suffers a traumatic event.
That’s why all combat veterans should tell everyone about what it’s like to be in combat.
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Flakey one could say!
I actually had some time for him before his decision today.
This just in:
EDIT: Didn't get the whole thing. It was a retweet under a comment: "Hard to hold your head up when you have no spine."
Your delusions do you no justice. I never justified any kind of genocide. I said that white people should stop being blamed for conquering when every single nation (tribe, city, empire) has done it in one way or another.
Is she not? Furthermore, that's my opinion, I'm not taking her to court with it, or threatening her job or anything.
Why didn't it trigger a reaction the day after she was raped? I don't know. If I was raped, I'm not going to keep quiet for more than 30 years for no apparent reason.
There's nothing the FBI can do that this committee can't do. They don't have magic powers.
And they were investigated, nothing came up. As I said, when you make a claim about something, you should provide some evidence, which she has not. Quite frankly, the fact that she has been given the spotlight is absolutely absurd
That only her husband is able to confirm?
The notes that contradict her testimony? Also, I don't believe Kavanaugh was telling the truth about the drinking problem. But he didn't want to admit it for obvious reasons, because it would be spinned in a direction that accuses him of raping her without knowing.
I call bullshit on that. Imagine you were raped, your emotions, adrenaline all running high from it. Your pain is sharp. You will go as earliest as possible and tell your story, if it is in fact true. If it's not, you'll wait 36 years later, when you've basically have forgotten this whole thing, or at least the details about it, and tell your story to the entire world.
What's your point about combat veterans? PTSD?
Flake'll still vote 'Yes'. Probably the end of his friendship with Coons though.
And Devil's Triangle being a drinking game and him saying he was a virgin until 20... you believe all that? And if not, why lie?
Thanks .
I believe in men's rights but when he refuses to have the FBI investigate and openly lies about sex terms and his drinking habits I stop believing the man.
There is little point engaging with an ideologue like you but just as one large example: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/14/us/catholic-church-sex-abuse-pennsylvania.html
Hope Flake has nightmares about those five minutes in the lift for many years to come.
So all of this is pointless as the nomination will be brought to the Senate whatever the vote.
You kinda wonder what they have on people like Flake when it comes to things like this. He has nothing to lose so why not break rank and listen to his conscience.
I really wouldn’t be surprised if the GOP entrap potentially troublesome representatives and hold them by the short and curlies. It would certainly fit in with their mafioso ways.
I really wouldn’t be surprised if the GOP entrap potentially troublesome representatives and hold them by the short and curlies. It would certainly fit in with their mafioso ways.
Most people seem to be ashamed and in denial.
See though, that would make sense. Dumat has no need for that.
In fairness, even if he was innocent he might have felt he was better off lying about those things as they would all have hurt his defence at this point. Those blatant lies don't neccessarily mean he's guilty.
They do mean there's absolutely no reason to believe his statement over Ford's though, who managed to put her accusation forward without those same blatant lies. Which for the purposes of this vote should have been enough.
Wow, trolling disguised as intellectual naivety. A world first.
I can't get over how ignorant this reply is. I understand that you think you're reasonable, but simply put you're not.
Firstly, she didn't just come out as a political tool, she brought this up 5 years ago to her therapist. She did the right thing there, seeking help for this issue. You are not the person to tell people they should just come out. That's bullshit and reeks of white man privilege. You may not be a privileged white man, but you sure as hell sound like one the way you talk. There are many many many reasons why women don't come out, verified and published by professionals and that's not all undone because Dumat12 on the internet has a difference of opinion on what people who go through a traumatic experience are supposed to do. What an ignorant and stupid thing to say. Secondly, it is absolutely appropriate that if somebody heinous does something, and they're about to be put in a position of power that this allegation should negate that they speak up. I mean, just listen to yourself ffs. Imagine if at a job interview the employers asked me about my history and I said "
if I did anything bad previously it should have been dealt with then, not years later and not as a tool to stop me from getting this job". What a ridiculous point to try and make. The whole reason that you have to be vetted for your job, especially in public service is precisely because these kinds of things are important to know. This is common sense to most people. Have you ever heard of the saying 'better late than never?' what's important is whether this happened or not, not whether the timing was ideal or not (which it was, because that's why they ask these fecking questions when vetting you, because at that time, in that timing, they need to know).I refuse to believe you're this ignorant, and unable to understand simple sense so I'm willing to bet that if Clinton had won the election, and if this was a Democratic senator up for the Supreme Court you'd just be posting reasonably that anyone accused of sexual assault should be investigated and not blindly cast it aside just so that you can have your person in power. You mention that the opposite side has their own agenda and will never listen to you, at least have the goddamn common courtesy to realise that you're no different, be a man and own it. You might not like what it says about you, but at least stand by your convictions instead of talking bollocks trying to cover it up as something else.
Or answer me this, if this is true, and if he tried to rape her, and she didn't report it - in your mind is it her fault and she has to stay silent and live with it forever? Her time has passed? Tough shit, you missed out? Yes or no, no bullshit trying to worm your way out of it, yes or no. If the answer is yes, then wow. At least say so so we know where you really stand, if no then I don't really see what course of argument you have because timing is irrelevant. The important thing is whether it's true or not. Any question about timing is just as much Republicans turning this into a political weapon as Democrats who may have used it politically themselves. What people like you are missing is that that's semantics, the important thing is whether or not it happened.
Politician
"I never tell lies"
Lady listening to his comment
"I'm a prostitute and a virgin"
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