US Politics

Someone on twitter called Jeff Flake the human representation of "thoughts and prayers" :lol:

Pinning Kavanaugh's innocence/guilt to whether he asks for a FBI investigation or not is disingenuous. The FBI is controlled by the executive branch under Trump, who will not under any circumstance order them to investigate this, no matter what Kavanaugh asks for. Which is why the Judiciary Committee has it's own investigative and subpoena powers. Unfortunately the Republicans (including Feckless Flake) voted down calls to subpoena Judge amongst others.

Disappointed with the Democrat's questioning yesterday. It was obvious he was not going to explicitly call for an investigation that, innocent or not, would decrease his chances of getting to the bench. Why not nail him further on the discrepancies in his calendar? Or narrow in further on whether he's ever blacked out?
 
Another victory for Trump....

He justs keeps winning.

Wee cnut is going to milk this.
 
Funny you should say that:

Quote from Guardian rolling coverage:
Vermont senator Patrick Leahy, a Democrat, is up and comparing the situation to Alice in Wonderland.
Leahy says the judiciary committee is no longer an independent branch of government.
“We are an arm, a very weak arm, of the Trump White House,” Leahy says.

She's not wrong, but I don't think the judiciary has ever really been independent?
 
I admit that I do not follow US politics up close, and just recently tuned in to the Kavanaugh story.
fwiw, my original thoughts were that just because of the doubts surrounding the accusations, he should withdraw his nomination.
But the fact that pro-democrats decided that the accuser is automatically 100% right, bothers me, especially under these circumstances, where everything is politically driven - on both sides.
Just look itt how every comment is taking Dr Ford's accusations as the absolute truth and Kavanaugh's version as bs. How many of you are republicans?
As a neutral, I would be a lot more prone to side with the democrats if they brought the case forward a lot sooner - which they could.
It's clear they used all the tricks in the book in an attempt to derail the nomination, on the 11th hour, in the hope of buying enough time to regain majority in the midterms.
Bottom line, this is US politics and, in this instance, the democrats (seem to) happen to be on the losing side.
So he should agree to an FBI investigation.

Also, using "why didn't she come forward sooner" as a defense automatically disqualifies you from all jobs with any form of responsibility to anyone, ever imho. It shoes a lack of empathy bordering on that of a psychopath.

Also I'm not an American either, but I think this prep school rape culture shite transcends nationality. I'd say what I think humanity should do with people like Brett Kavanaugh, but I like the caf and I don't want to be banned.
 
Does a supreme court judge in America not have at least the air of objectivity? Such an openly partisan person surely is unfit for the role?


The politisation of the American legal system is mind boggling to me. I'm very much in doubt if the US can survive as modern democracy. The manicheanism impregnates every sphere of society. All debate is toxic. That coupled with the madness that is their Electoral College (basically not all votes are equal) is not sustainable.

I wouldn't be surprised if in our lifetime we see a breakup of the country. This is not sustainable
 
Bottom line, this is US politics and, in this instance, the democrats (seem to) happen to be on the losing side.

Your initial position was the correct one. The bottom line is that a man with credible accusations of sexual assault levied against him is likely on the Supreme Court for life. Gorsuch had no such problems despite also being antithetical to liberal beliefs. Categorising this as 'just politics' does Ford, women and the position of Supreme Court Justice an enormous disservice.
 
Graham contiues parroting the line that he thinks "something happened" to Ford but that it wasn't Kavanaugh - a day after she said she was 100% sure it was him. Horrible stuff....just horrible.
 
This whole thing reminds me when you were back in school and you had an exam coming up, and all your friends kept telling you that they weren't gonna study, so you let your guard down and barely studied either. Then when the results came back, they all came back with great marks and you were left looking dumb, literally.

The deception of it all.
 
The politisation of the American legal system is mind boggling to me. I'm very much in doubt if the US can survive as modern democracy. The manicheanism impregnates every sphere of society. All debate is toxic. That coupled with the madness that is their Electoral College (basically not all votes are equal) is not sustainable.

I wouldn't be surprised if in our lifetime we see a breakup of the country. This is not sustainable

Genuinely wouldn’t be surprised to see a Palpatine-esque move from Trump where he announces he’s reforming the “democracy” in America to the American Empire, all to thunderous applause. The GOP certainly seem to have enough support to do so.
 
I admit that I do not follow US politics up close, and just recently tuned in to the Kavanaugh story.
fwiw, my original thoughts were that just because of the doubts surrounding the accusations, he should withdraw his nomination.
But the fact that pro-democrats decided that the accuser is automatically 100% right, bothers me, especially under these circumstances, where everything is politically driven - on both sides.
Just look itt how every comment is taking Dr Ford's accusations as the absolute truth and Kavanaugh's version as bs. How many of you are republicans?
As a neutral, I would be a lot more prone to side with the democrats if they brought the case forward a lot sooner - which they could.
It's clear they used all the tricks in the book in an attempt to derail the nomination, on the 11th hour, in the hope of buying enough time to regain majority in the midterms.
Bottom line, this is US politics and, in this instance, the democrats (seem to) happen to be on the losing side.

I think the criticism of the political manoeuvring is valid but there were ways to properly vet Kavanaugh and the committee chose not to. They've rushed it through to suit themselves. The role is bigger than any individual, so if there's question marks about a candidate for the job, don't hurry to give it to him. And there certainly appear to be good reasons to want to be sure a member of the supreme court hadn't committed serious crimes in the past.
 
Also I'm not an American either, but I think this prep school rape culture shite transcends nationality. I'd say what I think humanity should do with people like Brett Kavanaugh, but I like the caf and I don't want to be banned.

Humanity are made in no small number by people like Brett Kavanaugh.

We are a disease.
 
It's bizarre to me that politicians get away with conduct that would get you sacked in any other job. We get scumbags in politics because we make excuses for them that aren't tolerated elsewhere. I don't know why.
 
Its not over yet. Collins and Murk are still on the fence.

Idk, those two met with Flake and Manchin yesterday. Flake deciding to vote for Kavanaugh is telling I think. I fear only unshakeable facts coming to the fore at this point will convince people to vote no.
 
It's bizarre to me that politicians get away with conduct that would get you sacked in any other job. We get scumbags in politics because we make excuses for them that aren't tolerated elsewhere. I don't know why.

Ultimately its all about power. Republicans want above all else to stack favorable judges into the courts to preserve their power structure. Remaining in power is higher on the list of priorities than morality or principles.
 
Idk, those two met with Flake and Manchin yesterday. Flake deciding to vote for Kavanaugh is telling I think. I fear only unshakeable facts coming to the fore at this point will convince people to vote no.

They were trying to figure out who was going to vote yes. For instance, Manchin thinks he needs to vote yes in order to get reelected in conservative West Virginia, so he was likely trying to figure out whether Collins and Murk were planning on voting no, which would then allow him to vote yes without being blamed for casting the deciding vote.
 
Humanity are made in no small number by people like Brett Kavanaugh.

We are a disease.
He's the stereotypical Alpha Male. He is the epitome of White Male Privilege.

Although I will adamantly state that not all white males have privilege. I know that some white males do hold privilege and use it for their own debased advantage.
 
Ultimately its all about power. Republicans want above all else to stack favorable judges into the courts to preserve their power structure. Remaining in power is higher on the list of priorities than morality or principles.

...or destroying the United States of America by selling out to the Russians.

But I agree about power.

This is why the Democratic Socialists need to make it the goal to get absolute power.....and implement.
 
Disappointed with the Democrat's questioning yesterday. It was obvious he was not going to explicitly call for an investigation that, innocent or not, would decrease his chances of getting to the bench. Why not nail him further on the discrepancies in his calendar? Or narrow in further on whether he's ever blacked out?

Not really a surprise I guess since there have been plenty of people on here pointing out how bad the democrats have been over the last years. But still it was a little surprising how poor their line of questioning was yesterday, only having five minutes doesn't help but it was a farce. Some of them are actually lawyers weirdly enough.
 
What a shambles. The whole Idea of an independent judiciary in the US is dubious, to put it mildly.

Don't think the US have the moral standing to be lecturing the rest of the world about justice, fairness, democracy, anti-corruption, and so on. The American system has serious structural flaws.
 
They were trying to figure out who was going to vote yes. For instance, Manchin thinks he needs to vote yes in order to get reelected in conservative West Virginia, so he was likely trying to figure out whether Collins and Murk were planning on voting no, which would then allow him to vote yes without being blamed for casting the deciding vote.

Well with Flake voting yes, Manchin (and Donnelly too) can't afford to vote no if this is going to be defeated so what else is there to say. Provided Collins and Murk vote no also which is not a given.
 
Hope American women now realise what they are up against.
Not likely, judging from 'grab 'em by the pussy'.

He's the stereotypical Alpha Male. He is the epitome of White Male Privilege.

Although I will adamantly state that not all white males have privilege. I know that some white males do hold privilege and use it for their own debased advantage.
Not just white males. This toxic masculinity, this entitlement to power and dominance over the weak are prevalent among races and societies. It just seems galling right now because we've deceived ourselves into thinking that we've evolved enough as a species to at least censure such behaviour, turns out that's not the case.
 
A justice can be impeached. The only hope is that someday the dems have the Senate and the Presidency, conduct an investigation and then impeach him for his past conduct and all the lies he told yesterday.

Slim hope.
 
A justice can be impeached. The only hope is that someday the dems have the Senate and the Presidency, conduct an investigation and then impeach him for his past conduct and all the lies he told yesterday.

Slim hope.

Definitely slim...as it would require 2/3 of the Senate. The same Senate who are sending him to the court in 3 hours.