Excuse me but Roger was dead for the Olympic final as he had played something like 4 and a half hours against Del Potro in the semis while Murray had a fairly easy semi. Of course it will make a difference. Murray has a day off tomorrow and it's possible Djokovic and Ferrer could go 5 sets and whoever wins will be toast on Monday. If Murray doesn't take advantage of this unfair situation he will never have a better chance.
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Excuse me but Roger was dead for the Olympic final as he had played something like 4 and a half hours against Del Potro in the semis while Murray had a fairly easy semi. Of course it will make a difference. Murray has a day off tomorrow and it's possible Djokovic and Ferrer could go 5 sets and whoever wins will be toast on Monday. If Murray doesn't take advantage of this unfair situation he will never have a better chance.
Utter bollocks.
By your logic the player with the longer rest would always win, but that doesnt always happen.
If Djokovic gets through and brings his A game Murray is done for.
Didn't hear any of this nonsense when Djokovic beat Murray in 5 hours at the Aussie final, didnt have the rest Nadal did but still beat Nadal in 5 hours too.
By your logic the player with the longer rest would always win, but that doesnt always happen.
If Djokovic gets through and brings his A game Murray is done for.
Didn't hear any of this nonsense when Djokovic beat Murray in 5 hours at the Aussie final, didnt have the rest Nadal did but still beat Nadal in 5 hours too.
I can understand why people don't particularly like Murray but I don't really get why people dislike him. CheadleBeagle seems to be preparing an "If he wins it won't mean anything" excuse already.
He's not though. He's saying the schedule shouldnt favor one player. It is a fair point but the tv audience is king these days and they get to see both semis this way. And both matches get to happen at centre court with the biggest crowds.
I do think they should make stipulation that doesn't require a guy to play a semi and finals on consecutive days while the other gets good rest. I'm not saying it will devalue any win. My favoured players must have gotten that rub of the green before. But if you look at it in an unbiased manner why should someone be at such a disadvantage due to no fault of their own. It's idealistic but it would be fairer if it was possible.
So much Murray hate in here it's getting tedious. If he goes out early in a tournament he's a bottler. If he gets to the final he wont stand a chance. If he wins the final its because he had an extra days rest. The same shit in every tournament.
Djokovic will be happy play stopped the way that game was going.
Djokovic will be happy play stopped the way that game was going.
If you see it that way, surely a few of Djokovic's and Federer's victories today are a bit unfair isn't it?
Arguably, Murray is in the best player today (on form, not on skills), and true to form, if he wins this major, it will be very well deserved.
Arguably, Murray is in the best player today (on form, not on skills), and true to form, if he wins this major, it will be very well deserved.
Drunk Fergie & Connery crash Murray's press conference.
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/m...crash-andy-murray-us-open-semi-final-presser/
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/m...crash-andy-murray-us-open-semi-final-presser/
Fairly easy semi? Ah yes, against that easy opponent Novak Djokovic? sure ok mate.
Murray had an easy semi because he made it easy. No ones fault except Federers that he made a complete hash of his matches in the run up to the final. Murray had a harder run to the final IMO.
Routing for Murray whoever he plays in the final, hes too good a player to lose his first 5 finals and really deserves this. The criticism he gets on here, and with the public perceptions in general is pathetic.
'Hes boring' - oh right ok, you do realise hes a professional tennis player, not a fecking comedian?
Hes not boring by any means, I think his dry sense of humour and gangly, awkward presence actually adds to his appeal.
Think people need to stop getting on his back because hes an apparent grumpy, moaning boring guy and appreciate the guys talent. Fact is (aside from JMPDs fluke in US'09) no guy outside Djoko/Fed/Nadal has won a slam in 7/8 years. Murrays the consistently closest to ending that, for any neutral tennis fan thats a great prospect.
'Hes boring' - oh right ok, you do realise hes a professional tennis player, not a fecking comedian?
Hes not boring by any means, I think his dry sense of humour and gangly, awkward presence actually adds to his appeal.
Think people need to stop getting on his back because hes an apparent grumpy, moaning boring guy and appreciate the guys talent. Fact is (aside from JMPDs fluke in US'09) no guy outside Djoko/Fed/Nadal has won a slam in 7/8 years. Murrays the consistently closest to ending that, for any neutral tennis fan thats a great prospect.
hear hear!
Did I say, I hope murray loses the final? 
Right. So Del Potro's GS win is a fluke but if Murray wins one it's a victory for tennis? fecking hell. As of now, Del Potro's the one with a GS and Murray with none.
Also this big 3 crap is so overrated. First noone but Federer would win. Then Nadal got added to the list. Then Djokovic did (only 2 years back). Now Murray will soon win one. Then Del Potro will probably again win one. Rather than being some break through moment for tennis, it's something that naturally keeps happening.
As for wanting Murray to lose, for me it's not just him being moany bugger on court, and having a mother I'd run from, I find his game also boring and uninspiring. Djokovic is defensive a lot of the times as well but he has it in him to take people head on. And I'm a fan of aggressive tennis. So I can't think of any reason to want him to win, really. Like I said, if someone outside the top 3 are to win it, I'd rather it be someone Del Potro who really attack and look to make things happen.
Well said. Although I don't agree JMDPs win was a fluke, it was one of the best finals I've ever seen and he played brilliantly. I hope Murray can do the same.
Yeah del potro, a big hitter, they're rare and incredibly exciting, especially when they're firing off unreturnable serves!
I wonder about some people
I wonder about some people
What is people's problem with Murray exactly? Is it actually because he is Scottish?
I warmed to Murray after this years Wimbledon. His tears really told the story of the effort and dedication that he puts into the sport, whilst emphasising the pressure that he is under.
No doubt if he wins his first slam in NY after picking up Olympic gold, journalists everywhere will start calling that his watershed moment.
No doubt if he wins his first slam in NY after picking up Olympic gold, journalists everywhere will start calling that his watershed moment.
When does Djoko-Ferrer continue?
11 am et
I have no idea what that equates to. English time?
In couple of minutes
Ferrer's about to get raped
My Norwegian Eurosport channel, which has shown everything so far, is currently broadcasting a medal ceremony for some stupid bicycle people. Please feck off.
5-0? What the feck!
I just put it on.
5-0?
5-0?
I would love to like Murray as I am a Brit and I do want a Brit to win but I guess I find his style of play is infuriating and the grabbing the back and the ankle and the whining when he is losing annoying. He has improved a bit though in those areas. I guess I am old school and loved the way Henman played and carried himself but obviously he was not as good as Murray. I am not saying "if he wins it won't mean anything" but I am saying if he doesn't win he will kick himself as this is his best chance and there is not doubt having today off is an advantage. The USTA should have played both semis at the same time yesterday knowing there were going to be weather issues. The Djokovic/Ferrer match isn't even on tv in North America now.
What's wrong with unreturnable serves? This isn't women's tennis ffs.
I love tennis where players try and take control of points rather than running from side to side like sissies waiting for an opening. And of course, Del Potro's not just any big hitter. He has a Grand Slam to his name.
anyone who liked Henman and doesn't like Murray needs their head checked. Its about Tennis.
Djokovic and Nadal are sneaky bastards when it comes to gamesmanship, never understood why they don't get criticism for it.
Djokovic and Nadal are sneaky bastards when it comes to gamesmanship, never understood why they don't get criticism for it.
OMFG What a point!!!!
generally its big rallies that get the crowd going.
If you'd rather watches two big apes trade unreturnable serves then fair enough.
I don't get the last point either. He's got a slam to his name, yes, so do a number of big hitters
Again, such bullshit. People who can't deal with other people's preferences need to get their heads checked. What if someone prefers serve and volley to baseliners? Why do people have to prefer Murray over Henman? Because Murray is a better player? So everyone should support Federer because he is the most successful player in the sport's history?
some unbelievable tennis from Djokovic.
hes a lucky boy the play was stopped last night, he was all over the place, now he's battering Ferrer
hes a lucky boy the play was stopped last night, he was all over the place, now he's battering Ferrer
isn't that what you do?
My gripe is people desperately clutching at straws and actively looking for reasons to dislike Murray. Things like grabbing his hamstring or whatever, things that the other top players do as much if not more often.
You're damn right, the notion someone would rather get behind a vastly inferior player in Henman because he 'carries himself well' seems daft to me.
Like I said, people can like who they want, but the reasons specified for disliking Murray are absurd.
some fantastic rallies here.
Djokovic just won't blink though. Ferrer's done well to keep it going as long as he has.
Djokovic just won't blink though. Ferrer's done well to keep it going as long as he has.
Another myth, can you name the last time Djokovic displayed poor gamesmanship, please?
He's one of the few players on the tour who concedes points when an out call from the other player's shot gets overturned and the point should be replayed because he touched the ball with his racquet but he knows he would have no chance to return the ball. He even did it against Nadal in the Frech Open final when he was on the way to go two sets down and needed anything that could help him.
He also applauds great shots from him opponent, even when he's losing the match.
I like a balance of course.
I'm a huge Federer fan and I've always loved that he tries to, almost stubbornly, to step inside the baseline and control points as much as possible. Tsonga is another one from this generation who epitomes the kind of tennis I like watching. Players who try and make things happen, and do like to come forward as well, although the courts today make that impossible.
But everyone doesn't have a complete game like those two and from the rest I'll always prefer more agressive players who go for winners.
And I know what works for people these days. But I disagree with it.
And Del Potro doesn't even fall into that "unreturnable serve ape" bracket. He can dominate from the back of court in addition to have a good serve. His movement isn't the best, but he's a quality player overall.
Yeah but you seem to be downplaying his achievement for some reason. I'm not sure how his GS win qualifies as a fluke? His hitting heavy groundstrokes is only a positive, surely? He's clearly not someone who just relies on the pace of his groundstrokes.
Novak already a break up in the 3rd. Although Ferrer is playing really bad rather than Djokovic playing well.
Going to be an easy win for Djokovic today.
Going to be an easy win for Djokovic today.
Personally I really can't understand how anyone can dislike any of the top players over petty things. Compared to other sports tennis has been blessed by having some really good likeable guys as the face of the sport and they serve as a good example for kids around the world.
Henman was not a vastly inferior player to Murray. He was an old school serve and volleyer which unfortunately has now gone out of style and the slower courts make it almost impossible to play that style any more. Henman was also unfortunate to run up against Sampras at his best. Yes Murray is better and is better suited to today's game but I happen to like players who can actually attack and go to the net, other than to shake hands, and who can do something different rather than hours and hours of baseline rallies. Murray is a counter-puncher and is very good at it but for me I would rather watch Federer any day of the week even if he is losing for the pure joy of the tennis he produces.
I've followed him almost his entire career so no. I didn't start supporting him when he was on 15 Grand Slams!
Fair enough.
Why? Some people don't like Ronaldo because of how he carries himself during football matches. There perogative, IMO. Although personally I'd support/dislike players more for other reasons, probably.
And again, how does it matter who is superior or inferior? Imagine if everyone supporter Federer because of how good he is. Or if everyone supported Barca because of how good they are. I think it's good that people find other things to connect with. Like Federer's grace, Nadal's tenacity, Djokovic's personality, Manchester United's youth system/style of play etc
Again, fair enough.