Not sure if you are joking but I would take him. He at least has some credentials other than DNA.
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Not sure if you are joking but I would take him. He at least has some credentials other than DNA.
I'm not joking, he is unemployed. I think he should stay in European club football though and work on his balance. He can create a whirlwind offense, that much is certain.
we’ll then I am with you. The US has shown all during Berhalters tenure that they can not create any offense. The goals are all moments of individual effort or luck. This is torture.
Berhalter is awful against everyone but Mexico. Just hire Jesse Marsch.
Berhalter = Frank DeBoer.
Berhalter = Frank DeBoer.
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He really is a shit version Ole, without the likability or legendary status within the organization.
As a Crew fan I'll always have a soft spot for Berhalter, but he has the national team playing the most boring and ineffective football. Attended the game on Thursday night and was nearly bored to death. Surely there's somebody better suited out there.
US will likely qualify and Berhalter will receive an extension. But if it goes tits up in the next match it could get interesting down the final stretch.
don't get not starting Pepi and Aaronson after sitting them against El Salvador
Aaronson did start.
Any tricky wingers or physical strikers for the US?
I saw today that you guys can keep possession pretty well but I saw zero penetration.
Some tidy possession. Also, lots of big names in European sides.
Pulisic can't score on his own. Seems like it is keep the ball then pass to Pulisic.
I saw today that you guys can keep possession pretty well but I saw zero penetration.
Some tidy possession. Also, lots of big names in European sides.
Pulisic can't score on his own. Seems like it is keep the ball then pass to Pulisic.
What I'd give for an 02 version Mathis, or a McBride, or even a 94 Wynalda right now. Someone that can do things up front and help open up the game.
Weah would have fit the bill as a tricky winger and physical presence, but Canada didn't let him in due to differences in French and Canadian COVID regulations.
That being said, this is all down to coaching and tactics.
- Berhalter plays a possession midfield, but not an attack that makes runs. Insanity.
- Berhalter wants his wingers to cut in to allow for the FB's to make wide runs and send in crosses, but he does not play a striker who is good at attacking them. Insanity.
- Following up on the last point, in the last 2 games he has played 2 different strikers who have dropped very deep to help defend and win maintain possession. This means there is NO striker within 30 yards of the goal when the FB's and wingers get there with the ball. Insanity.
This is 95% down to horrible and arrogant coaching. Berhalter was at best a mid-level MLS coach. 2 of his 3 predecessors have made the league look silly after they left the national team job. He is a bad coach who is only the coach because his brother was involved in the hiring. We are getting exactly what we deserve as we refuse to put qualified people in positions of importance in the federation. We are literally the Manchester United of international teams.
Should have appointed Berhalter's replacement at Columbus - Caleb Porter.
He's a bit of an enigma, but has a clear style and success in MLS.
He's a bit of an enigma, but has a clear style and success in MLS.
What
Not result or history wise of course, but putting unfit people in decision making and coaching positions with an emphasis on ex players.
Canadian here. I am kind of shocked how weak the US looked today to be honest. Had Davies been in the side, we'd have had the best three players at minimum in Davies, Buchanan, and David. I could easily throw Borjan, Adekugbe, and Larin in there also. The American development system must dwarf Canada's tenfold, and this is the end product?
Slow your roll a bit there. Canada were the better team on the night, but from a talent perspective you are still quite a bit behind the US and Mexico. That’s talent, but on a performance and coaching level you are miles ahead of us and a bit ahead of Mexico. What we saw tonight was what happens when a well drilled and coached team goes up against one who has no cohesion and no plan. We bossed the midfield but had absolutely nothing in the final third.The US is desperately missing Reyna, and Weah travel ban and Pulisic’s horrific lack of form hurt badly tonight. The game could have gone another 2 hours and I doubt the US scores. Berhalter never should have got the job (gotta love having a guys brother in charge of hiring) and he should lose it now while there is still a chance to prepare for the World Cup. Not going to happen though.
I guess this is what we get for having a terrible manager in Berhalter, random know nothing fans making dumb claims. You guys deserved to win today but let's not pretend that your team did anything other than park the bus. As a US fan, I would only take Davies from Canada and over the course of the next few years you will get to learn why.
And David and/or Larin. My god we need a striker
Not even Johnathan David ?
No Joke. I had to check that I wasn't watching replays of MUFC matches from 3-4 months ago watching these last few qualifiers. What a load of crap. Canada down their best player, chance to really cement a place in the WC and nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Only parked the bus, yet we should have won 3-0. Turner's second save saved him from his own spilled save.
Our gameplan was to counter and frustrate you, which worked well as the US created only two good chances during the game (3 if we count the corner). Why go at it when the US are playing right into our hands?
Absolutely showed how completely worthless Berhalter is. The Total Soccer Show guys did a great breakdown of the game and pointed out that 80% of the US attacks came down the wings and not in the area of the US biggest talent advantage, this midfield. Beyond that, when the ball did get to the final third on the wings either:
a) Zardes had dropped so deep the box was empty
b) if people were in the box they ran away to clear space for Dest/Pulisic/Aaronnson/etc. to take on their guy 1:1.
such poor game planning byGB and a fantastic job by Canadas coaching team.
If we are talking starting XI right now, David as the main striker? Sure, although I think Pepi is gonna be great in the longer term. I wouldn't take David over Pulisic or Reyna on the wings. Davies and Dest as the two full backs though would absolutely decimate teams.
You have to remember that the current US team is very young, especially in many of the key positions. This is their first go around in any competition as a team at the senior level. So it makes a lot of sense that they wouldn't be ready for the scrappy play they experienced yesterday being on the road where a lot of issues stemmed from being naive and losing individual physical battles. In the future though, this team will learn how to earn the right to play in these CONCACAF-style matches and then the class of the players will show.
Parking the bus will work from time to time but if you want to be considered a top team, you want to be able to dominate possession and impose your will on the opposition at home. Over the next few years, I am confident that the US group will be able to overcome Canada and play an exciting brand of football while doing so. Each of these individuals have already shown much in some of the best club competitions in world football so I am confident this team will only improve from these initial experiences.
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Our best players are also young and we have more (hopefully) coming through.
Being better than us is something you should be doing right now, never mind in years to come.
We "parked the bus" and should have won 3-0. You have some way to go based on yesterday!
So by your logic, that only the last result matters, Watford is a better team with more talented players than United? We both know that is not the case. This is not me shitting on Canada, I think the improvement over the last 2 years has been phenomenal. I like and am happy that you have gotten better, just look at my posts in the Canadian Soccer thread. I think right now you are the better coached and in form team. What you are not is the more individually talented team, and that is ok. For years the US would use tenacity, determination and tactics sprinkled with a few elite players (Landon, Clint, etc.) to mess up the plans of a much more talented Mexico roster. That is where Canada is right now, albeit with a genuine world class talent in Davies we never had. The future is bright for y'all and I think we will both only be better by challenging each other.
Depends on what you count as your best young players and how many actually fall into that category. The vast majority of your players in Europe are over the age of 25 whereas the opposite is true for USMNT, not to mention that apart from Davies and David the US players play, and in many cases, start for better clubs. We also have plenty of players coming through European setups and probably more in number than you guys (although that's to be expected based on the difference in population). One result doesn't change the state of things. You should also add that you "parked the bus" as a home team, was a smart move tactically but it's pretty odd to claim you are superior based off such a performance. It was a good result for Canada and I look forward to seeing both teams (hopefully) at the WC.
I don't even know how to respond to the latest posts. They're just putting words in my mouth.
Find me where I called us "superior" or that only results matter. All I said is that we are the better team yesterday and the "threat" of the US being better than us should be expected at any given year, so it's not something I'll lose sleep over.
Bizarre posts.
Find me where I called us "superior" or that only results matter. All I said is that we are the better team yesterday and the "threat" of the US being better than us should be expected at any given year, so it's not something I'll lose sleep over.
Bizarre posts.
Well crud, apologies on my end. There was a post I replied to higher that I swore was from you and I thought your most recent was a continuation of an argument that Canada had arguably the best 6-7 players between our 2 countries. That's what I get for counting on a brain still reeling from a combination of that game and a week of being incredibly sick.
Canada played well as a team and the scoreline flattered them. U.S. made 2 unforced errors that immediately led to 1 goal, then Turner's double save which should have been handled in the first place. Then the second goal was a hoofed defensive clearance, but a great first touch against a disorganized backline and against a team pouring forward that was down 10 men, a CB.
The positional tactics of US was so poor, as was some individuals such as Dest, Pulisic, Zardes, Musah. McKennie tried to play the entire left channel and left flank by himself, throw-ins included, which was hilarious.
Canada deserved their result, but if US knicked a goal to equalize near the end, nobody would have complained.
The positional tactics of US was so poor, as was some individuals such as Dest, Pulisic, Zardes, Musah. McKennie tried to play the entire left channel and left flank by himself, throw-ins included, which was hilarious.
Canada deserved their result, but if US knicked a goal to equalize near the end, nobody would have complained.
The fact that Canada can beat anybody in Concacaf shows how well their federations is doing with a much smaller population to pull from. Our federation is so fecking corrupt and our pay to play system in the US is such a discouragement to kids that would like to play. I paid thousands every year for my son to be on a travel team. It was the only way to get him decent coaching. He played on the level that goes on to the USMNT developmental squad. He was also coached from a youth coach that was sent over from Chelsea FC. Hence the reason we are a Chelsea family.
It is disgusting that to get a good level of coaching requires so much money in the US.
It is disgusting that to get a good level of coaching requires so much money in the US.
Sadly this is true. I focused on baseball as a kid after little league/AYSO years because the cost of baseball camps/travel teams etc. was affordable but travel soccer was not. It's not helped by the way MLS is structured. The draft/salary cap/single entity format kills off the need for most clubs to give 2 shits about youth development. Could you imagine how amazing it would be if we had 30 FC Dallas's?
First of all, "parking the bus" is an inexact phrase used by pundits in a broad brush kind of way. It's perfectly normal for a team to go up early in the game and switch to containment mode. This is a legitimate tactic and doesn't mean the team is somehow inferior. If the US had gone a goal up early, you would have seen Canada play more on the front foot, obviously.
Second, literally no one in Canada who understands the sport is claiming Canada is "a top team." We were literally ranked ninety-sixth just a year ago, and we're still ranked fortieth. That's a classic straw man argument you're using. We will likely never be a "top team," whatever that means. What we're enjoying is this recent surge and the fact that we might well qualify for a World Cup, something unprecedented in the lives of many Canadians. We also have numerous players who are enjoyable to watch (Borjan, Adekugbe, Eustáquio, Buchanan, David, Larin, Davies) and a coach who knows what he's doing. I know you seem to want to rain on our parade north of the border, but why can't you let us enjoy this moment, which likely won't be forever? The country, a country usually united only by hockey, is solidly behind this likeable and tenacious team. We're not a top team, but we're a fun one and a gritty one, and that's fine for most Canadians.
Finally, define what you mean by "a top team." I'm genuinely curious about this. What are your criteria? Do you consider the US a top team?
It is a pleasant surprise to find Canada having a good run. I am surprised that no-one has specifically mentioned John Herdman. The success he produced for the Canadian women is now being replicated for the men. We know that ultimately its the 11 on the pitch that play the game but the coach deserves a lot of credit here.
I may be a random know-nothing fan, but I do know you are full of excuses why the US lost. If you watched Canada play outside of the last game, you'd know they don't simply 'park the bus'. But hey, what do I know?
Canada has the exact same pay to play system. Our federation doesn’t even run youth camps because it can’t afford to.
8 from our squad are from my local club and we paid thousands to be coached by someone’s dad, certainly not Chelsea coaches sent from England.
So not sure what you’re point is. You’re posting like we play for free or something.
The entire leadership of US Soccer should be fired for what is going to happen tomorrow night. The game is set to become the lowest temperature game in international/1st division history. Kickoff temp is set to be 4 degrees and around 0 by the end of the game. This negligence shows the federation has zero concern for player safety. If I was Honduras I would refuse to show up and force CONCACAF to make a call on this. Disgraceful.
The Federation can't even provide the proper welfare for the more successful and better Women's National Team. What makes you think they are actually logical and competent when arranging these fixtures? Can understand if there might be a NFL conflict to use the stadium, but the home field advantage really only comes into play versus Mexico.