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Unpopular Opinions Thread
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Our fans are a bunch of spoiled cnuts. We finished out of the top 4 once since the PL started, thanks to an incompetent manager, and all of a sudden we're not even top 5 in the league anymore? We have, in my opinion, the best attacking players in the league, our midfield is a defensive minded player away from being one of the best, our back line is perfectly fine but could do with a world beater in there, and our GK is perhaps the best in the league. No wonder we have a reputation of being glory hunting idiots, half of us are.
We've had a pre season that has been nothing less than revelatory and we have clowns in here already writing us and our new manger off simply because they haven't had a marquee signing to wank over.
They can feck off.
I've not really gone through the threads properly but in fairness I can see why people are pissed off at our transfers in recent years.
The difference between us and other top clubs (especially last season and as it stands this one as well) is we seem to be taking up these signings without actually making them, other clubs are just going out and doing it. I'd imagine people may be slightly concerned considering what happened last season. It's probably wrong to target the manager and maybe it's wrong to "write us off" as such but I can see why people would do it.
Possibly. Although it's 100% Woodward's fault that people might have assumed we were going to sign a huge name player, because he's the one that raised expectations so high in the first place.
I'm also not entirely convinced that the lack of CL football at a club as prestigious as MUFC is the immovable barrier that some people seem to think it might be, when it comes to signing the best players around. Throw enough money at that sort of problem and I'm sure it will go away.
The title is not a target for next season. The club will be happy with a top 4 finish. We are Arsenal.
Chelsea have improved they have added key players to key positions, they have goals and assists from deep CM and have a striker or two to bang in the goals.Why?
Arsenal have strengthened where they needed to and are one signing away from dominating the league and Debouchey/ Chambers are already looking rock solid at the back.
United, we have improved CM and added a new wing back, our manager has infused a style and attitude that will see us through to top 4 combined with the lack of CL games we should be easily in there.
Liverpool whilst lacking a real threat up top to react with Sturridge still look lightening fast and have the ability to dominate all teams below top 4. Not only that they have bought smart in all areas other than up top and I can see them doing just enough to pip in before......
City alarm bells must be ringing, they have spent alot of money on relatively weak players and thus run the time old risk of standing still. Yes they have their quality players but I think we wont see the Aguero of old ever again, I think he has ran his time as one of the worlds best and it will be the treatment room from now on. Leaving Jovetic who is also coming off a huge injury and Dzeko who will be their main threat.
Their midfield options whilst last year looked imperious, look stagnated in pre season and almost as if Pellegrini has decided they can handle themselves. Fernando is a bizarre and weird signing, he has potential to be good but just that. Good. I dont think he will get many mins. Mangala is another bizarre signing and screams of desperation, the guy was extremely expensive and was a bench warmer in the WC way behind the likes of even Sakho. They wont be outscoring anyone this season with Arsenals fire power, Chelseas assist machines, our attacking flair and the speed of the Liverpool attack.
In fact I can not see any positive traits in their side that other teams do not now possess. I also couldnt tell you the style of football they play.
All my opinions though.
The fact that you refer to being able to play out from the back as stupid really says it all. The best club sides in the world all play systems which rely on defenders being comfortable on the ball and capable of building attacks from defence. As for your post, Thiago Silva had an excellent world cup and I notice your list of ball playing CB's doesn't include Hummels, who has arguably the best distribution of any CB.
Mertesacker plays in a very progressive Arsenal side who play out from the back and hold a high line, he's seen as a leader which is why plenty of Arsenal fans want him as next captain. Smalling has never shown he is on the same level as Mertesacker and is likely behind both Jones/Evans in our own squad.
Even if the rules weren't in place what do you think would happen if someone took over Madrid in the manner the Glazers have? There would be riots and the Glazer family would prob receive very serious threats on their lives. As for what the fans can do about it Liverpool fans had the same problem with H&G but mass protests ousted them.
Well it is a pointless question as no one can takeover Madrid in that way. And anyway I dont know where you were in 2005 but there were riots and death threats on the Glazers and more (part of the reason that Malcolm Glazer had never once set foot in Old Trafford) - but clearly it made no difference as they are still here.
Plus Liverpool fan protests had very little to do with H&G leaving, their business plan failed and they didnt have enough money to do deal it so went bankrupt.
It suggest you check your facts before you start spouting bollocks!
I think this is a very biased view on things against City.
It makes a number of huge assumptions, most notably that every signing by every other side is going to be a huge hit, while City signings are going to be well below average. When the weaknesses in the squad include right-back cover, defensive midfield cover, keeper cover and a centre-back; to bring in Sagna, Caballero, Fernando and Mangala looks like excellent business. Even if each of those signings were to barely feature, I still think the City squad would be stronger than United and Liverpool's, probably pushing Arsenal close too. You could even swing the argument and say that City have the most settled squad while other sides are reliant on new players slotting in comfortably.
You've also pretty much ignored every weakness in each of the other four sides too, for example United lack any kind of quality cover in the defensive areas and have the weakest midfield options out of any of the five sides you've discussed. You've dismissed that completely on account of your manager infusing a new style and attitude, despite not playing one single minute of competitive football under him. I don't think such assumptions are going to be enough to make 'City alarm bells ring' at this stage personally. The other sides have their own weaknesses too which you've ignored.
If you can't understand the style of football that City play then you just need to let your mind wonder back to last season, it's the same manager so you can expect much of the same. The goals aren't suddenly going to dry up at City because Chelsea have a few more assists from deeper in midfielder, and Liverpool have a bit more pace - this is a side that scored 156 goals in all competitions last season, why are the goals suddenly going to come to a halt in your view? City finished on 86 points last season, and everyone was saying how poor performances were away from home - with some added depth to the squad I'd be surprised to see a points total much below that figure - which is going to make it a hell of a season if all four of the other sides finish above them.
Fair play if that's your view though.. Here are the 156 goals, just in case you wanted a refresh.
Smalling behind Jones/Evans, I stop here, you clearly dont rate him if you seriously think that he is behind them.
There was zero riots it was a few fans unhappy and some minor protests, Glazer hasn't set foot in Old trafford because he couldn't give two shits about United. Other members of his family have been at the ground regularly without problems which shows how serious the riots and threats were.
What is your argument with H&G? Are you claiming Liverpool fans didn't have protests to oust them? Or are you claiming they didn't mind the owners but just didn't like the business plan?
If you did a poll I'd say the majority would vote the same. Johnny Evans has been a key CB in a title winning United side and another than only lost the league on goal difference, Smalling has done nothing to be comparable to him.
They can. But at the same time our squad doesn't look any better than it did last season. And despite the all the talk of us needing to spend, and Woodward and co saying that we've got up to £200 million to spend to improve our squad this summer; we haven't done so. Shaw and Herrera were essential signings. But Shaw whilst a great promising talent, is 19 and very inexperienced, and Herrera whilst good is just one guy who can't solve our midfield problems on his own.
Our defence isn't "fine" - as some people seem to be suggesting - by any stretch of the imagination. Nor is our central midfield or wings. The only real quality we have is in goal and upfront and if we don't make at least 2 more signings at CB and CM before the window closes I think we will really struggle to get back into the top 4 this season.
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Our style of play has not changed much from last year. We are still gash...
Well this is completely wrong.
We are still resorting to giving it to the wide men to put in a cross because our forwards are too static without Welbeck.
Judging by this forum, these are all fairly unpopular opinons that I happen to stand by:
- Kagawa is one of our 5 best players on paper.
- Kagawa had a good first season for us, all things considered.
- Kagawa has the potential to become our best player if he gets enough playtime.
- Carrick at his best is one of the best central midfielders in the world.
- Rooney should never go near the no.10 position if we have hopes of becoming the best.
- Neither Rooney nor RVP should be guaranteed a starting spot. Ideally, they'll fight over a place in the starting XI.
- Januzaj should specialize on becoming a winger/wide forward and forget about the no.10 position entirely.
- Jones will never be a world class defender.
- Welbeck will never be a world class striker.
- Hernandez is a better striker than Welbeck.
- Giggs is an utter cnut who I'll never respect after reading about what he did to his brother, United legend or not.
- Having a British "core" is completely pointless.
- Kagawa is one of our 5 best players on paper.
- Kagawa had a good first season for us, all things considered.
- Kagawa has the potential to become our best player if he gets enough playtime.
- Carrick at his best is one of the best central midfielders in the world.
- Rooney should never go near the no.10 position if we have hopes of becoming the best.
- Neither Rooney nor RVP should be guaranteed a starting spot. Ideally, they'll fight over a place in the starting XI.
- Januzaj should specialize on becoming a winger/wide forward and forget about the no.10 position entirely.
- Jones will never be a world class defender.
- Welbeck will never be a world class striker.
- Hernandez is a better striker than Welbeck.
- Giggs is an utter cnut who I'll never respect after reading about what he did to his brother, United legend or not.
- Having a British "core" is completely pointless.
Rooney = the biggest culprit of this switching to side tactic. He really needs to vary his passing when he gets it outside the box.
Kagawa is overrated on the Caf and isn't a great player.
People who rate Kagawa massively do so because of the type of player he is ("good in possession" "always an option) rather than how he actually plays as a player. It's like watching Barcelona made people forget that there are types for different players in the game and players who add a bit of steel or can just pace past people are just as important. Ashley Young and Kagawa have both had similar careers here (some good games, some great moments but overall not done as good as they can do) but because Kagawa is a "diminutive number ten" and Ashley Young is an English speed merchant he gets a lot more slack
That's why its in the unpopular opinions thread. Yesterday was one more evidence of that. We still look clueless when we have the ball.
We've fecking won every game. We've scored an fifteen goals against Liverpool/Inter/LA Galaxy/Valencia and Real Madrid. That's three goals a game.
If you think we haven't looked good this pre season you're an idiot.
Just tell me how many chances we created against Inter, Roma and yesterday??
Oh and feck everyone who says "We've gone from Hummels to Benatia to Blind to Rojo" or any of that fecking shit. You are the idiot who has fallen for it. You are the idiot who choses to believe we are after these players and then gets pissed when it proves to be bullshit. Do you not see how we're linked with about 200 players every single transfer window but these people still get their hearts broken everytime. It's not being optimistic it's being a fecktard.
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We're playing some of the best teams in the world in a pre season game. What the feck do you want? Name a team who has had a better pre season than us?
Only Real would come under that category and we played against their second string side. Winning does matter. But as LVG said, our performances are bad and I am glad he said that.
Why should we care about other teams Pre-season. Do they give out a trophy for being the best team in Pre- season?? I want us to control the game and dictate the tempo like we used to. We are way off that. Like I said, I don't see any change in style of play from last year. We still look clueless when we have the ball. Just count the number of chances we created through the middle. We were lucky yesterday to score two goals and as well as against Roma.
P.S : Its just my opinion and nothing you say is going to change it. If you think you are happy with the pre-season, so be it. I am happy with the results, but there is massive room for improvement.
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Yes we won it.
Maybe we should ask the club to organise a parade for that...
Its patchy and we didnt see much last night. But the clips above show that there's something developing in our style of play.
Like I said, nothing's going to change my opinion of the pre-season. I could pull out a similar video for last year of some intricate plays, which means nothing in the end. You have to analyse every game as a whole. I was not impressed by the performances against Inter, Roma and Valencia yesterday. TBH, I didn't watch the Real game and just caught the highlights.
Is this unpopular? How many United fans actually think Welbeck will ever be a "world class striker".
It's not that an overwhelming majority thinks that he will. It's more that I feel certain that he's never going to be. I don't think that flies well with most United supporters, British ones in particular.
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Add to the fact that I feel that Hernandez is better, and there's enough reason for me to lay low.
... or people just watched him consistently for Dortmund and Japan.
He was one of the best players in the Bundesliga for a team that plays quick, technical, counter-attacking football, for a coach that hates the slow tiki-taka Barcelona style. Kagawa is small, technical and clever, but make no mistake: he's first and foremost a goal threat who thrives under speed and ballsy attacking displays. Too bad we haven't played much of this since he came. It hurts to say, but if we played like Liverpool did last season, then Kagawa would have returned to his former glory.
Kagawa... First and foremost a goal threat with no goals last year.
On the left wing under Moyes, with inconsistent playtime...
There were plenty of protests about the Glazers, many stopped going to matches and did you miss the fact that some fans were so pissed off that they actually started a whole new football club (not that I actually agreed with that but thats another can of worms)?
Im saying that fan protests had absolutely nothing to do with H&G leaving Liverpool. They left because their business plan failed and they went bankrupt (primarily due to not qualifying for CL).
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