Uniteds summer activity

I will be so disappointed if we sign Young and Rodwell.

They are not the sort of players needed to take us forward. Young will be a decent member of the squad, but he is not even close to the level of Nani or Valencia.

Rodwell has done nothing in the past 2 years. The hype around this player annoys me.

It is not fair if Hargreaves gets another contract. He will take up a squad place that could go to a more deserving player, like Cleverley or even Gibson.

Welbeck will not be sold.
 
Nothing wrong with Ashley Young, wouldn't cost too much given his contract. We desperately need a set piece taker and with him, Nani and Valencia we'd be well covered on the wings for a few years when Giggsy is gone ( :( )
 
jdmufc said:
this may be from football rumours.com but it doesn´t sound to wide of the mark....

My source at MUTV has advised me of the following:

Owen Hargreaves & Michael Owen to be offered 1 year contract extensions - talks literally got under way this morning.

Wes Brown unfortunately looks like he's on his way out in the summer though.

Sunderland have an offer of £14 million on the table for Danny Welbeck for United to make a decison as & when they see fit.

Ashley Young & Jack Rodwell are 90% complete, Liverpool & Spurs were sniffing around Young too which forced Fergie to make his move earlier than expected.

Kiko Macheda has informed Fergie that he hasn't enjoyed his time in Italy & is really looking forward to returning to Manchester!

There has been a sum of cash set aside for a "marquee" signing - the players being looked at are Wesley Sneijder, Marek Hamsik & Danielle De Rossi.

United have dropped their interest in Alexis Sanchez as they are convinced the likes of City, Chelsea, Barca & Real will all be in for him & the price will be sky high therefore Fergie has got Ashley Young boxed off early doors.

The Goalkeeper scenario - Tommy K is off, Anders Lindegaard will be number 2, Ben Amos number 3 & According to my guy who I spoke to this morning - Pepe Reina will be number 1, De Gae was first choice but he has concerns about moving away from his family at such a young age.
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By my reckoning, with all loan players brought back, we would need to register 27 players - to bring in those 4 players from that 'in the know...) we would need to move on 6 players. Kuszczak, Brown (as mentioned), De Leat Gibson, Diouf and Obertan?
 
Bryan_Munich said:
Your source at MUTV?

When will people learn the only people at United with knowledge of transfers are Ferguson, Gill and Maurice Watkins.
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not if deals are basically done. I know a lad who flagged up the Bebe transfer (well, some unknown lad from Portugal) a couple of weeks before it was announced as he knew someone who was working in the law firm (or whatever the place was/is) who drew up the contracts on it. If deals are all but done, some paper work will have been done and people will have seen it.

I would also imagine things like contract renewals would become fairly well known around the club, whether they let on officially or not. Same with deals that are basically 'done'. Players will know and players will talk. Sure we had rumours that Young to United was an open secret within the England squad when they were together for the Wales and Ghana games.
 
Sarni said:
Why? It probably is a reasonable price. Do you think more or less would be better?
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I guess in this market anything is possible, so who knows. He hasn't done enough yet, for me, to warrant a price like that. But then again, £35m for Carroll and stuff.
 
cina said:
I guess in this market anything is possible, so who knows. He hasn't done enough yet, for me, to warrant a price like that. But then again, £35m for Carroll and stuff.
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I wouldn't pay £14m for him either but to be fair that kind of money is no longer exclusive to top players only.

Well, Carroll was £35m but Suarez was £20m and he is a superior player.
 
johnmufc said:
I will be so disappointed if we sign Young and Rodwell.
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Muppet.

johnmufc said:
They are not the sort of players needed to take us forward. Young will be a decent member of the squad, but he is not even close to the level of Nani or Valencia.
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imo Young is as good if not better than both Nani and Valencia were before they joined United and he'd fit in perfectly with our wide and fast attacking style. Fergie creates world class players from those he purchases; United teaches players to play for United.

johnmufc said:
Rodwell has done nothing in the past 2 years. The hype around this player annoys me.
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He's only 20 ffs. Just because you personally can't see potential, doesn't mean Premier League football managers can't; why does that fact annoy you?

johnmufc said:
It is not fair if Hargreaves gets another contract. He will take up a squad place that could go to a more deserving player, like Cleverley or even Gibson.
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If Hargreaves is given a contract then we can only assume that he has done something to cause SAF to believe that he deserves it. Likewise, if Cleverley or Gibson are not included in the 25 man squad, then that would indicate that they have not done enough to cause SAF to believe them deserving of it. It is not for us to decide; you should know by now that SAF is kinda good at making these decisions himself.

johnmufc said:
Welbeck will not be sold.
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Thanks for that, Mystic Meg.
 
I think Welbeck for £14m is about right actually.

Young, English, talented. Sure, maybe not top 4 material, but does a job at the likes of Sunderland. Has gotten senior England cap.

I'd actually be pretty happy with all of that tbh.

I like most are convinced of Rodwell coming, and I think Young would be great too.

Reina's a nice idea for sure. Fantastic keeper. As for the marquee signing.. Hm. Young and Rodwell are going to cost a fair amount. Can't see us signing a big name on top of those two.
 
As long as we sign a good keeper and a proven, top quality CM I'll be happy. We have some talented young cms who are maybe a couple of years away from being ready to start being introduced to the first team - we don't need to sign a young "lots of potential" midfielder, we need a proven one who can step up and perform from the first day of next season
 
ciderman9000000 said:
imo Young is as good if not better than Nani and Valencia were before they joined United and he'd fit in perfectly with our wide and fast attacking style. Fergie creates world class players from those he purchases; United teaches players to play for United.
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Exactly. People weren't very excited about Valencia before he got him, he was just seen as an average replacement for Ronaldo and now look at him. Being at Man Utd can do a lot for a player and fulfilling their potential.

Look how damn good Smalling and Chicarito have been. The former barely got into Fulham's team and the latter was in the Mexican league!

There would be nothing wrong with signing Ashley Young.
 
Welbeck and Cleverly to return, Owen let go, a keeper bought and a top class CM brought in would make me happy this summer, I don't really see the need for any other buys but it would be great to see another Smalling or Chicha style surprise buy.
 
I definitely wouldn't mind Ashley Young - as ciderman9000000 said - he'd fit in well and provide a decent set-piece threat, too.

But, with Welbeck and Kiko returning and Owen staying, we'd be pretty stacked in our forward department, wouldn't we? I wouldn't mind for Kiko to go on loan to a club in the Premier League though.
 
Welbeck for 14m? Take the money and run

So Young, Rodwell, Reina and one of Sneijder, Hamsik and De Rossi?

Can't see us signing 4, so i reckon it's all bollocks

Still don't know what's the silly fuss over Jack Rodwell
 
SATA said:
Welbeck for 14m? Take the money and run

So Young, Rodwell, Reina and one of Sneijder, Hamsik and De Rossi?

Can't see us signing 4, so i reckon it's all bollocks

Still don't know what's the silly fuss over Jack Rodwell
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Run where? Right into the arms of a player with either less potential or ability?
 
SATA said:
Welbeck for 14m? Take the money and run

So Young, Rodwell, Reina and one of Sneijder, Hamsik and De Rossi?

Can't see us signing 4, so i reckon it's all bollocks

Still don't know what's the silly fuss over Jack Rodwell
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Completely disagree with your first point, couldn't really disagree more.

Agreed on the rest though.
 
To be honest I see the sense in Rodwell for the future, but only see "value" in Young. He's a decent player, but will be 26 by the time he joins us (more than 2 years older than Valencia when he joined and 5-6 older than Nani). In my opinion he is the finished product and although better players around him may improve his productivity, I can't see him displacing Park, Valencia, Nani or even Giggs (next season) etc on a regular basis.

I personally think we need a "first XI" player (ideally central midfield), our squad is already the strongest in the league by far, whereas our first XI is comparable to our rivals.

In terms of our squad, Welbeck won't displace Berbatov/Rooney/Hernandez. This means (barring an injury crisis) he'll be restricted to the Carling Cup and maybe sub appearances in the league. Would be far more beneficial to let Sunderland have him for one more year, if he plays great he can then challenge the likes of Berbatov/Hernandez. I'd personally say the same for Cleverley, although ideally at a slightly better team than Wigan (Newcastle, Villa, Everton etc).
 
Id be delighted if we sign Ashley young especially, dont understand why Youngs so poorly thought of on this forum, the guys a very good winger who consistently year on year is around the top of the league assists charts in a pretty average team, he can play anywhere across the front line, has great pace an excellent delivery, hes very similar to Valencia in my opinion but more versatile, plus wed finally have someone on the books whos got excellence set piece delivery, add to that wed get him fairly cheap given his contract situation and hes still only 25? i think thats great business, covers an area of the squad that Giggs will soon depart whilst not draining us of funds for other key areas such as centre midfield and keeper.

having wing options like Nani/Valencia/Young would be brilliant, how anyone could be disappointed with that i dont know, id be delighted.
 
finneh said:
To be honest I see the sense in Rodwell for the future, but only see "value" in Young. He's a decent player, but will be 26 by the time he joins us (more than 2 years older than Valencia when he joined and 5-6 older than Nani). In my opinion he is the finished product and although better players around him may improve his productivity, I can't see him displacing Park, Valencia, Nani or even Giggs etc on a regular basis.

I personally think we need a "first XI" player (ideally central midfield), our squad is already the strongest in the league by far, whereas our first XI is comparable to our rivals.

In terms of our squad, Welbeck won't displace Berbatov/Rooney/Hernandez. This means (barring an injury crisis) he'll be restricted to the Carling Cup and maybe sub appearances in the league. Would be far more beneficial to let Sunderland have him for one more year, if he plays great he can then challenge the likes of Berbatov/Hernandez. I'd personally say the same for Cleverley, although ideally at a slightly better team than Wigan (Newcastle, Villa, Everton etc).
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Ashley Young is a far better winger than Park, whilst Nani and Valencia cant play every single game as weve seen this season.

Id take the 14 million for welbeck and run if thats true.
 
Allforone said:
Ashley Young is a far better winger than Park, whilst Nani and Valencia cant play every single game as weve seen this season.

Id take the 14 million for welbeck and run if thats true.
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I've watched him 40-50 times over the past 3 seasons and suspect by your analysis that you haven't (certainly in the last two). His best quality is his set pieces, but that is nothing more than good (certainly not in Adam's league). His other attributes are sporadic at best, ranging from the very good to the anonymous and unfortunately a lot more of the latter.

I think he'd be a great backup winger, but I'd prefer signing someone with a real potential to compete for a nailed on first team spot, although I think that his versatility is the reason why I can see Fergie signing him.

I don't think he is bad at all, just that I can't see him adding anything that we don't already have (apart from set pieces).

/edit: Park isn't a better winger no, but he does bring something to the team that Nani/Valencia don't. His energy and relentlessness often help us in the big games, whereas I can't see Young being anything but slightly worse Valencia or Nani.
 
finneh said:
I've watched him 40-50 times over the past 3 seasons and suspect by your analysis that you haven't (certainly in the last two). His best quality is his set pieces, but that is nothing more than good (certainly not in Adam's league). His other attributes are sporadic at best, ranging from the very good to the anonymous and unfortunately a lot more of the latter.

I think he'd be a great backup winger, but I'd prefer signing someone with a real potential to compete for a nailed on first team spot, although I think that his versatility is the reason why I can see Fergie signing him.

I don't think he is bad at all, just that I can't see him adding anything that we don't already have (apart from set pieces).
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Or, as crazy as it may seem to you, ive watched him and hold a vastly different opinion.

Just throwing it out there an all, it is possible.
 
Allforone said:
Or, as crazy as it may seem to you, ive watched him and hold a vastly different opinion.

Just throwing it out there an all, it is possible.
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I only suspected that you hadn't seen him regularly (mainly because your opinion is identical to people who have heard about him but not seen him regularly). The only reason I have is because all my friends are Villa fans (I live in the area).
 
Ashley Young's a proper footballer, the type of player that typifies United's wingplay over the years, and long may that continue

You lot wouldn't sell Welbeck if a 14m offer came in? :angel:
 
finneh said:
I only suspected that you hadn't seen him regularly (mainly because your opinion is identical to people who have heard about him but not seen him regularly). The only reason I have is because all my friends are Villa fans (I live in the area).
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Ive watched him regularly for 3 years, i watch a lot of premier league football and Youngs been up there every season as one of the most productive players in the league, clearly if the story's are true Sir alex Ferguson agrees with my view.

I dont see it as much of not giving us anything we dont have which he does anyway but more giving us extra of the quality weve got, id rather have Young/Nani and Valencia rotating on the wings than Valencia/Nani and Park.
 
SATA said:
You lot wouldn't sell Welbeck if a 14m offer came in? :angel:
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I'd probably sell but put a £20-24m buy-back clause. I think he may become a really good player but just can't see him getting too many games for the next 2-3 seasons.
 
Allforone said:
Ive watched him regularly for 3 years, i watch a lot of premier league football and Youngs been up there every season as one of the most productive players in the league, clearly if the story's are true Sir alex Ferguson agrees with my view.

I dont see it as much of not giving us anything we dont have which he does anyway but more giving us extra of the quality weve got, id rather have Young/Nani and Valencia rotating on the wings than Valencia/Nani and Park.
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Fair play then, like I said I don't think he's a bad player. I just see most of our players have a role and can only see him as a (great) backup for Valencia/Nani. I edited my previous post regarding Park:

/edit: Park isn't a better winger no, but he does bring something to the team that Nani/Valencia don't. His energy and relentlessness often help us in the big games, whereas I can't see Young being anything but a slightly worse Valencia or Nani.
 
finneh said:
I'd probably sell but put a £20-24m buy-back clause. I think he may become a really good player but just can't see him getting too many games for the next 2-3 seasons.
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Yeah that's how i see it to, as potentially good as Welbeck is and may be as it stands at best hed be 4th choice striker here, hed hardly play anyway so if such an offer came in wed be stupid not to take it and use it to improve areas we're not so strong in.
 
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