United's penalty-takers

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Most keepers are right-handed. So this means most lefties are shooting to the keepers "weaker" side. Further evidence that left-footed penalty-takers are, if anything, more likely to score than righties.

So, are we now saying that statistical evidence suggests that, not only is the chief's theory completely made up and untrue, but that the opposite in indeed a FACT! That's gold-dust, he'll do his nut in.
 
I think you're onto something here. In the same way that facing a southpaw boxer can mess with your head, facing a left-footed penalty might put some keepers off.

So there might just be a reason why left-footed penalty takers are more succesful but I'm fecked if I can think why they might be any worse.

Could be worse because there are fewer? In a squad of 20 or whatever how many are left footed? 5 maybe? Perhaps then there is a lesser chance that the left footed player will be a penalty specialist and therefor never takes pens so when it comes to shoot out time he isn't one you would want.

But you get top drawer left footed players who never miss from the spot. It's all about the player, foot doesn't make a great difference.
 
I don't think he will take it well.

Last time we posted something from a sport science journal in the equally reatrded talent v skill v ability v development thread he told me it was 'drivel', i imagine this information will also go unnoticed.

I'm still interested to know where he got his facts from, he could always just post the link....
 
I'm still interested to know where he got his facts from, he could always just post the link....

He said he researched them himself :wenger:, but he wont post the exact results because we'll say he made them up (honestly, that's what he said). Frankly, If he can't even be bothered to falsify some results, how are we going to believe that the lazy fecker lifted a finger to do research on 2000 penalties?
 
Now you're being unreasonable Rob

How can he post his brain, where the link originates.

Fair enough Sultan.

Maybe that's the future of the internet, some kind of neural link, then we'd be really confused.

Honestly I decided a while ago that the Chief is a WUM, doesn't really matter though because the threads are always gold.
 
Chiefs the only person I know whose theories are facts before they have been proven in the slightest.
 
here's how it started...

You're not the only one. However really self confident ones like Richardson hardly ever miss. I personally don't trust Giggs, Saha and Evra in a shoot out situation.. And I lost faith in Scholes' penalties for shoot outs. Even though he isn't left footed.....

Richardson? :wenger:



Someone dissagrees...

Shut up. You never ever have any valid argument behind that statement. So be original for once in your life and present one or shut the feck up...

notice he requires others to have 'valid arguments' before they make a statement.




The wild conjecture...

Left footers usually don't have variety in where they hit their penalties and hence are easier for keepers to read.

some obscure validation...

you pathetic buffoon. I descend from a race of people who are masters of the art of penalty taking. So quit embarrassing yourself

rubberproof...

It's not an argument. It's statement of fact. I could careless whether you accept it or not.

Why indeed...?

Why would I make up the fact?

Not sure about this next one...

You are a sadist. You prove it in your above post.

:wenger:

And after being asked, categorically, more than once, why he thought it was that left footers are easier to read than rights...

I have no question to answer.

^^^^
He did.



But still...

Mate, I have no question to answer. I told people to go and see for themselves. They have refused. It's not my problem. If you are in a house and you tell someone who has never seen the sun , that the sun is in the sky outside and he refutes what you say, with out going to see for himself, how will it still be your problem?

And...

I have no question to answer. I told you. Go and observe several left footers taking penalties. If you learn something good. If you learn nothing that's your problem and not mine.

^^^^^^^^^^^
The likely outcome.



They taught Rubberproven facts at school?...

Sadist!

Airhead. :wenger: It just means don't pretend it's not the truth. Surely that's not too hard for you to do is it? Or did statements like that work as intimidation in your high school?

Then...

Let me make this clear once last time:

I STATED A feckING FACT YOU INSIPID MUTHER feckER. THIS IS NOT A feckING
SCHOOL THIS THREAD. IF YOU DON'T GET THE FACT OR DON'T KNOW WHERE I GOT IT FROM feckING GO AND FIND THE ANSWER OUT FOR YOUR STUPID SELF. GET IT? YOU IMBECILE! I AINT DOING YOUR HOME WORK AND ANSWERING YOUR feckING QUESTION! IS THIS FONT AND ENGLISH LARGE AND CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU TO FINALLY UNDERSTAND YOU MORON?

EH?

Good

:mad::mad::wenger:



Still denying he's been asked anything...

:lol: I'm evading nothing. You are just under the illusion I have to answer this so called "question'. Questions don't arise from the sun rising in the east and setting in the west for example. If they do in your soul. You find out the answer for your damn self. So get it through your thick skull. It's up to you to answer yourself!



That was all nearly a year ago! :lol::lol::lol:

Since then he's revealed that he did all his research himself, and has yet to comment on the actual research that was actually done in reality and backed up with links that other posters have found.
 
I'd love to see that study!! :lol:

Where is this study? The only one I know about is Chiaporri, Levitt and Groseclose (2002) which was published in some economics journal. The stats were rubbish and has so little power as to be useless. They also failed to do do things like ANOVA's which might have teased some details out, although give the sample sizes and methodology I doubt it.


IMBECILES

IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE STUDY GO AND FIND IT !!!! I AM NOT DOING YOUR feckING HOMEWORK FOR YOU MUTHER feckERS!
 
You badly need a gun to put yourself out of existence to stop such stupidity spreading to the rest of the world

Yes chief, putting myself out of existence is the key to stopping the spread of stupidity. Oh no, it's not me who's the one pushing ridiculous theories as facts on an internet forum after all is it... it's you. :wenger:
 
Well theirs is a published academic paper, authored by a Welshman named M.Hughes no less. Not sparky unfortunately, just a sports expert from the University of Cardiff. Yours is a supposition by a reknowned internet nutjob.

I know I'm torn which one to believe.
No offence but no one gives a shit what you believe

Why, thankyou.
:rolleyes:
 
here's how it started...



Richardson? :wenger:



Someone dissagrees...



notice he requires others to have 'valid arguments' before they make a statement.




The wild conjecture...



some obscure validation...



rubberproof...



Why indeed...?



Not sure about this next one...



:wenger:

And after being asked, categorically, more than once, why he thought it was that left footers are easier to read than rights...



^^^^
He did.



But still...



And...



^^^^^^^^^^^
The likely outcome.



They taught Rubberproven facts at school?...



Then...



:mad::mad::wenger:



Still denying he's been asked anything...





That was all nearly a year ago! :lol::lol::lol:

Since then he's revealed that he did all his research himself, and has yet to comment on the actual research that was actually done in reality and backed up with links that other posters have found.
Still to dumb to get it obviously. I gave you a way of finding your answer. You didn't bother to use it. Yet you still claim I haven't answered you. That is so stupid it's untrue
 
Yes chief, putting myself out of existence is the key to stopping the spread of stupidity. Oh no, it's not me who's the one pushing ridiculous theories as facts on an internet forum after all is it... it's you. :wenger:
I haven't stated any ridiculous theory. I stated something that can be proven or disproven practically. Instead of setting out to practically disprove it all you and others are doing is just saying it's wrong. Based on nothing other than your own ill informed opinion. I still stand by what i said. The penalty taking of left footers is more predictable and easier to read than that of right footers. If you are in doubt go and watch a number of penalty shoot outs. And compare the number of times you were able to accurately guess where they would put there penalty, regardless of whether it went in or not. It is a simply task to do.
 
I haven't stated any ridiculous theory. I stated something that can be proven or disproven practically. Instead of setting out to practically disprove it all you and others are doing is just saying it's wrong. Based on nothing other than your own ill informed opinion. I still stand by what i said. The penalty taking of left footers is more predictable and easier to read than that of right footers. If you are in doubt go and watch a number of penalty shoot outs. And compare the number of times you were able to accurately guess where they would put there penalty, regardless of whether it went in or not. It is a simply task to do.

Erm... Assuming anyone could ever be arsed to put themselves through such a tedious chore (which you presumably have?) All that will tell you is how well you are able to guess where a left-footed penalty kick will end up, watching the game on telly, from your seat on the sofa.

And that's got sweet feck all to do with the goalkeepers perspective. Which is the only perspective that matters.
 
No offence but no one gives a shit what you believe :rolleyes:

Well, I think that this proves once and for all that Rubberman does this for attention, and is nothing but a WUM. I would hazard a guess that far more people care about what Bury Red thinks than the Rubberman.

Oh, and don't bother replying to this post, Chief. I'm talking to the sane posters, not you. See, when I say I don't care what you think, I actually mean it.
 
I haven't stated any ridiculous theory. I stated something that can be proven or disproven practically. Instead of setting out to practically disprove it all you and others are doing is just saying it's wrong. Based on nothing other than your own ill informed opinion. I still stand by what i said. The penalty taking of left footers is more predictable and easier to read than that of right footers. If you are in doubt go and watch a number of penalty shoot outs. And compare the number of times you were able to accurately guess where they would put there penalty, regardless of whether it went in or not. It is a simply task to do.

This method is very foolish though, and not at all scientific. You are still asking people to prove a negative. If I were to conduct such a study and come out with results different to yours you could still claim that you were correct and my analysis is flawed. Until such time as you post evidence, it remains your opinion rather than fact.
 
This method is very foolish though, and not at all scientific. You are still asking people to prove a negative.
Actually I'm not asking them to prove a negative. I asked them to go and see it for themselves. Using the method I've used. to call that proving a negative is preposterous. Instead of finding out for themselves, all I'm getting on here is that I'm wrong. Based strictly on opinion and no solid evidence to refute what I stated. With the very method I derived my statement being scoffed at. Frankly, I'm not the one basing things on mere opinion in here. That's for sure.

If I were to conduct such a study and come out with results different to yours you could still claim that you were correct and my analysis is flawed.
It's true I would still say I'm correct only because there are studies that back me up. One which was even quoted in this thread showing that left footers miss penalties more than right footers in general. However I wouldn't call your methods wrong or your analysis flawed. For I can't teach you to see what I saw. It's up to your brain to intepret what your eyes tell you. Not me. Neither is it my place to judge what you see. I just know evidence exists to back me up.

Until such time as you post evidence, it remains your opinion rather than fact.
Which is pointless. Because you already don't approve of my methods in the first place. So me posting data on here wont make you change your views on the issue. You'd still say they are wrong. Regardless.
 
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And that's got sweet feck all to do with the goalkeepers perspective. Which is the only perspective that matters.
Oh Please!The keepers also see what you see. They are not blind. If I an amateur on a sofa, at home, can predict the direction of a penalty some what accurately. How much more a professional goal keeper?
 
Erm... Assuming anyone could ever be arsed to put themselves through such a tedious chore (which you presumably have?) All that will tell you is how well you are able to guess where a left-footed penalty kick will end up, watching the game on telly, from your seat on the sofa.

:lol:

He so blatently hasn't it's fecking cracking me up.
 
Actually, since 1988, I've been noting down the details of every penalty taken in the top 4 English divisions, the top 2 Spanish divisions, the top 2 Italian Divisions, and all major European competitions.

So far

where left footed players take penalties, the keeper guesses the right direction 44% of the time, but saves only 19%, while 8% are missed

where right footed players take penalties, the keeper guesses the right direction 46% of the time, but saves only 17%, while 11% are missed

These are the FACTS.
 
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