United under LvG: verdict so far!

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Like most I'm pretty confident in LVG.

Despite the fact that results aren't exactly great there is 'something' about him that gives me confidence. The only thing I'd criticize him for so far is his substitutions.

If this patchy form continues after Feb/March etc. then it'll be time to reassess.
 
Question is has the excitement been because of LVG's tactics and style or because of the better players brought in? You could argue that some of them may not have come in if not for LVG, but thats hypothetical. Herrera, Falcao, and particularly ADM are the primary reasons behind the improvement in play, I dont think LVG himself has excelled when it comes to setting his teams up to play exciting football, yet.
It is hard to say but if you remember pre season, LvG clearly had set out his team and gave direction and clear instruction. I was really impressed by lots of our play preseason though appreciate that the intensity wasn't there and it's all rather moot. The new players have helped but it think LvG has been as instrumental if not more so.
 
With Moyes I never felt confident because it didn't seem like he had any semblance of a plan.

Van Gaal I can trust and am fully confident because of his track record and the way he's got us playing better football. He has a plan and philosophy that he's trying to implement. Yeah some of the results have been crap but the performances have been improving and that's clear to see. Getting our youth players involved a lot is great to see as well.

The team isn't going to be world-beaters again overnight. I'm pleased with van Gaal so far. B-/C+ grade.
 
It's getting better and importantly, our play is getting better. He's doing his job.

Points wise it's disappointing of course but it's night and day everything else, when comparing this season to last.
 
From the off under LVG in his conferences and what we see on the pitch so far has at least instilled confidence that he has a direction/plan and he is sticking to it. With Moyes we he said things will take time and I was fine with that except week by week there wasn't anything evident that he had a plan because things changed week to week. With the talent we've bought, I'd have expected better results - in some games we've deserved it but, that "luck" that we used to have under Fergie and evaporated last year seems to have still deserted us - at least until the last 2 games and that stems from the manager instilling that belief in them.

The other thing is am looking forward to games and that may be because of having the new buys in the squad but, that's LVG's doing, so the credit goes to him. In the past even under Fergie instead of say using a McNair in defense, a Fletcher or someone else from the senior team might have filled in but, LVG has used youth for whatever reasons and that is great.

LVG has also basically given the media nothing to feed on - he has controlled them which has let the team keep their focus on playing and that is a great plus.

On the critical side - I don't like that it has looked as though he is not ready to drop RVP due to form. Also, not particularly a fan of him sitting the whole time during games and not getting on the touchline lighting a fire under the team especially when we are chasing games. Lastly, while he has handled the media well in terms of not giving them anything to spin - he has not used the media to combat the ABU when it comes to getting decisions. We've possibly lost points due to some bad refereeing and the media is glad to skip over it and that means LVG needs to at least find a way to at least highlight the situations so at least there isn't a perception out there we've only got favorable calls and refs get it in their heads that they need to compensate.
 
The team is a lot more fun to watch this year. That speaks volumes, in my opinion.
 
The team is a lot more fun to watch this year. That speaks volumes, in my opinion.

I agree Van Gaal, and the £150m of new players bought in the summer, have certainly improved things aesthetically. Louis also stands in stark contrast to Moyes in the 'always sounding confident' stakes. That's yet to really translate into anything in terms of actual results though, which have been awful. Pretty disappointing so far, but very early days.
 
In reality for what he has to do to refresh the squad the real judgment will come in his 3rd season wiih us.
What would you be satisfied with for his first two seasons then? I'd be disappointed if he doesn't have us challenging next season if I'm honest.
 
I agree Van Gaal, and the £150m of new players bought in the summer, have certainly improved things aesthetically. Louis also stands in stark contrast to Moyes in the 'always sounding confident' stakes. That's yet to really translate into anything in terms of actual results though, which have been awful. Pretty disappointing so far, but very early days.
$150 million of players would have looked a lot different had Moyes remained here. And not in a good way.
 
I give Louis a B+. He inherited a squad whose confidence, and self-respect, was destroyed by Moyes. His buys were superb and his man management is sound, although I still think he should have parted with another 40m for Vidal to complete the overhaul of our midfield.

Unless someone knows something about what goes on in training, we can't blame Louis for the rash of injuries, especially to our defenders. No one could have anticipated what's happened to our central defenders.
 
I am not very impressed so far. It's good to talk about philosophies and ideas; it's the implementation that brings results. The results so far have been disappointing. I, personally, have found it hard to judge whether the improvements are due to the spend (Di Maria, Blind and Herrera basically) or the "philosophy". Still see a lot of aimless crossing, lot of hoofing, and defensive disorganisation. The expectations have been lowered so far that I was thrilled with a draw against Chelsea at home. I want to believe that Chelsea was an inflection point and we'll see a turn towards the positive from here on. Though there have been too many false dawns over the course of last season and this, that I choose to remain sceptical. Once bitten, twice shy.

The defense remains a major worry. Rojo and Blackett as left sided CB's give me jitters, and the stellar injury record of the right sided CB's means that McNair will have a huge role to play this season. Hard to fathom that Sir Alex had Garay lined up with our 5 CB's, still the two subsequent managers chose to ignore the area (Ya, Rojo, but is he a defender? I have my doubts). Anyone with two eyes knows that we need a defensive leader to marshall our defense (His name is neither Matt, Ryan or Ron). I only have time to follow two sports regularly - Basketball and Football - and in either, I have hardly seen a team win championships with only a stellar offense.

The squad remains as unbalanced, if not more, after a big transfer window. 433/4231 looks the way forward, but we are heavily loaded in the striking/SS positions. 442 diamond with two offensive players on either side of Blind leaves too many open spaces. Our main two strikers and Mata are not hardworking enough and lack pace to make the system work. Van Persie becomes half the player when he is not in the center and has to move towards the right or the left to get the ball. And I am fearful that we may be a di Maria injury away from a total catastrophe. Currently, he is the only one who brings that little extra that keeps the opposition honest.

Van Gaal has a huge challenge on his hands. We are already behind the eight ball and there are hardly any freebies in the premier league. You have to go out and win each game in this league.

It would be preposterous to give a verdict at this moment. Will have to wait at least till the turn of the year to see how things pan out. However, our performances in the next three, especially against City and Arsenal will give a glimpse of where we might end up this season.
Well, actually you have seen a team win championships with only a stellar offense. SAF's final season. We were rubbish defensively and conceded many goals, but we sure scored goals like nobody's business. :D

Gotta agree that we cannot fully judge LvG right now. We have lost so many experienced players and brought in so many new players and we also need to consider the new manager's style, tactics and training. The team is simply in transition right now and it doesn't help that we have had so many injuries as well. When things average out over the season, then we'll see the results come in.

As for squad balance, I have to disagree. The team was more imbalanced before the transfer window.
1) We have more defensive options now instead of only 3 senior defenders
2) There are more midfield options now instead of only Carrick to choose from
3) We can choose ADM and Januzaj on the wings now instead of Young and Valencia.
4) There are only 2 players instead of 3 challenging for that number 10 role now

We only had a strong attack and strong goalkeeper last season. The defence was poor/too slow and had to defend deep and the midfield had to stay deep as well to cover them. That is why we only played a long ball and crossing game last season. Now we have more options across the board (not all world class options, but it's a good start).

The better balance in squad selection is also helped by LvG's organization and tactics as well. Our attack is no longer isolated upfront. We're getting them on the ball more often. The team no longer longer plays only one way of football. There is variety of play. We can play possession or we can play counter attack. We can play long balls and crosses or we can play through the middle. We can play technical players for a more technical game or we can field more physical players for a more physical game. We can play wide and we can play narrow.

Most important of all. We now also have a better balance of pace, power and work rate now. The past 10 years, any team that wants to challenge for the title must have a good combination of these 3 qualities. Last season we simply had no pace and power.

This is all good balance.


I like LVG and think he really analyses everything which is great. His lack of perfect English is slightly annoying but that will improve (although it doesnt seem to bother him remotely!) Because of that you dont criticise him like Moyes, when he always used to say words like ''try'' to improve and refer to the history etc, but LVG doesnt do this.

In terms of style / philosophy I'm actually still struggling to see what it is that LVG wants our players to do. I think we do have more impetus in attack but actual style it still seems quite confusing - I think Blind is still left alone far too much with too much space around him. Other than Di Maria players arent getting quick balls into the box, full backs arent over lapping as much as some.

LVG quotes are interesting after the game, where he is pleased with different aspects from other managers, I believe he was saying how well we played against Chelsea and West Brom because of the ''chances'' created...but few of these weren't great chances really in my mind, long shots on goal etc. He seems to appreciate different things. But Im still slightly confused as to what his perfect game / perfect utd performance would look like. Di Maria seems to want to be productive every time he gets the ball but is that LVG or him (Crosses or shots or something creative). Shaw seems to go forward but then give the ball backwards is that LVG trying to not loose possession or Shaw being cautious. Mata seems to pick it up and play it wide every time, him or LVG? Against West Brom we kept trying the chip through ball for an RVP volley, was that a deliberate tactic? Blind is often left alone in CM with large spaces either side, is that deliberate, LVG asking him to cover space pick up the ball and then find our CM's for a quick counter allow us to bring space into the middle of the park?

Im looking forward to his ideas getting installed as he's a quality manager and players trust him. The biggest thing too is that fans trust him, even though our results havent been great and our general play questionable even though spending a lot of cash etc (we do have injuries so think everyone realises this) but I like other fans have not got on the teams case and are just looking forward to watching the next game.

Anyone who thinks they can shed light on what LVG has implemented, and what he is trying to do in each position with our team, let me know?
In terms of philosophy, what I see is more variety of play. Same like under SAF. Variety, rather than just one style. We can play crossing and long balls E.g. ADM. We can play through balls through the middle. E.g. Mata and Januzaj's through balls.

As for the rest, you can read my previous post.
 
What gets to me is this, and i'm sure its the same with every fan of any club in this situation.






These two posts highlight what was happened here.

Despite facts proving it wrong a slight upturn in playing style coupled with LVG being a bit more charismatic and a lot more successful in the past is giving him this aura.

Im not just trying to make another Moyes was underrated and shouldnt have gone claim, because maybe he wasnt ready for the United job yet, but it is a little annoying to see things in the light of 'everything Moyes does was wrong, and in fact anything LVG does wrong is a result of Moyes doing wrong in the previous season.

Other hypocritical notions are ' LVG took no time in shifting the deadwood' and 'Moyes inherited a title winning squad'. What was it a title winning squad or a squad full of deadwood?

LVG does look more of a leader of men I agree, but he has certainly not done well in his first 3 months and I guarantee had these results been Moyes in his first 3 months he would have been ridiculed for it. Its also worth mentioning that transfer deals have been better and how much this is down to the managers is anyones guess, theres a lot more to it than 'only getting fellaini being entirely Moyes fault' and ' LVG attracting ADM Falcao and Herrera'. Anyones United is going to look better with those players playing.

That said I dont actually think the improvements are as good as some make out, but maybe those who were harrowed by the memory of last seasons 0-3 losses to City and Liverpool cant get that out of their heads. For example the defence has regressed and seems a lot less organized, I always feel like United are going to concede in every game no matter who they are playing. The attack has improved but not to the level that the quality of players would make you think, a lot of it is bluster and the final third still seems a problem for United, however Mata and RVP dont help matters here.

There is more of a sign of a project under LVG though i'll say that, there are some signs at least that a better quality of player is coming in, but to rate LVG so far you would have to be insane to rate it as anything other than a bit of a disaster.

You're repeating the same thing in several threads. How dare United fans give credit to their manager eh? With players like Harzard, Fabregas and Costa, anyone would make Chelsea champions. It's such a stupid notion I don't even want to go into it. Clearly you are not a big fan of LVG but your constant coming here to keep everyone in check is a bit annoying. For the one millionth time, everyone of us agrees that it has not been a good start - but we are finally trying to play something close to good football, there is a positive vibe within the club and there's clearly a plan in place, how that can be rated as a disaster is beyond me but to each his own. Find it funny how you're quick to want to remind us that it has been a disaster so far, it has not.
 
You're repeating the same thing in several threads. How dare United fans give credit to their manager eh? With players like Harzard, Fabregas and Costa, anyone would make Chelsea champions. It's such a stupid notion I don't even want to go into it. Clearly you are not a big fan of LVG but your constant coming here to keep everyone in check is a bit annoying. For the one millionth time, everyone of us agrees that it has not been a good start - but we are finally trying to play something close to good football, there is a positive vibe within the club and there's clearly a plan in place, how that can be rated as a disaster is beyond me but to each his own. Find it funny how you're quick to want to remind us that it has been a disaster so far, it has not.

Not too out of order, when you take away all the rosy specs, at the end of the day the table doesn't lie, we're 8th. Although disaster is a hyperbole.

I'm still relaxed though, and sure we'll get 4th this season based on my faith on LVG ability, and the fact that he has proven that he got what it takes many times in the past.
 
Not too out of order, when you take away all the rosy specs, at the end of the day the table doesn't lie, we're 8th. Although disaster is a hyperbole.

I'm still relaxed though, and sure we'll get 4th this season based on my faith on LVG ability, and the fact that he has proven that he got what it takes many times in the past.
It hasn't been 10 games yet ffs, why are people seriously mentioning the table at this point? Maybe after half a season you can start looking at the table and take something out of it. It's just the very start of the season though and you really can't read much from it.
 
I've seen people trying to claim that the improvement in play is down to signing Di Maria and the likes, look mates, you couldn't be more wrong. I saw Chelsea play some of the best one-touch football in the last decade under RDM, it was a joy to watch. However, with the same team and better players, Mourinho hasn't served up anything close to that brand of football, however, they know how to win games. Tata with Barca last season looked a lot like Moyes United too, lots of crosses to Messi and co - he had Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets etc. What I am trying to bring it is this, having good players help but certain managers play in a certain way irrespective of that. Who would have thought that players like Henderson would serve up such football as Liverpool did last season, it took Rodgers quite sometime and I suspect that even without those signings LVG would get us playing good football, but with worse players, it would have taken longer as they'll have needed a lot of coaching.
If you have ever learnt a new language or anything new, you'll notice that it is a natural tendency to either stop our of frustration or revert to something you know, if things look like it's not working. So, of course, United will from time to time, revert to long balls and pointless crossing, West Brom game as a prime example. And then to the defence, @Insanity says we need a defensive leader and that person is not Hummels, Ryan or Vlaar, that's fine. But can you name any player in that mould who you think we have a realistic chance of getting? My guess is that you'll struggle to do that. Also, the squad is more balanced than it was last season, we have 4 strikers just like City. My guess is that he'll need 1 or 2 more transfer window to get the balance totally right.
My whole point is that - you can't develop consistency within such a short time, and after the negativity of last season, building up United became a more difficult task. However, the manner in which he has gone about it is what gives you hope, he has shown a willingness to adapt [West Brom as example], he's confident and there's a lot of positivity around the club once again, these are the foundations. The football has improved, but its inconsistent as expected [there's a reason why Mourinho's teams peak usually from the second season] - you don't develop a consistently brilliant team in 9 games, but I understand expecting more from LVG, he's a top manager and naturally, the bar should be higher for him than it was for Moyes and he can deal with that.
 
Not too out of order, when you take away all the rosy specs, at the end of the day the table doesn't lie, we're 8th. Although disaster is a hyperbole.

I'm still relaxed though, and sure we'll get 4th this season based on my faith on LVG ability, and the fact that he has proven that he got what it takes many times in the past.

It's seriously bang out of order, trust me. You can't take away anything because it's all part of the package. Yes, table doesn't lie, but you think West Ham and Sotton will finish where they are now? If we finish 5th this season then it will be a disaster.
 
It hasn't been 10 games yet ffs, why are people seriously mentioning the table at this point? Maybe after half a season you can start looking at the table and take something out of it. It's just the very start of the season though and you really can't read much from it.

So what? We're not saying LVG is a failure or something, but at this moment the result isn't good. I don't think any manchester United fans can deny that the result is not good. And the OP is so far.

And result wise we're indeed pretty poor so far.
 
It's seriously bang out of order, trust me. You can't take away anything because it's all part of the package. Yes, table doesn't lie, but you think West Ham and Sotton will finish where they are now? If we finish 5th this season then it will be a disaster.

Look at my post above, I'm in the we're in a good trajectory brigade.

But in regards to Bob's statement, I can see where he's going, that it isn't as rosy as we painted it to be. I'm not taking anything because the table says we're 8th, I'm not even worried. But from a Chelsea point of view, we are far from great.

Put it like this, if Chelsea's mourinho is in our position, them fans will say they'll claw back because of mourinho, but it wasn't out of order when we say the result hasn't been great for them.
 
Weird timing. We play city on the weekend. We've also had many injuries and a Rooney suspension thrown in. We've only played 1 of the big teams too.

I'm going to wait until after Xmas. We haven't played enough games yet.
 
So what? We're not saying LVG is a failure or something, but at this moment the result isn't good. I don't think any manchester United fans can deny that the result is not good. And the OP is so far.

And result wise we're indeed pretty poor so far.
Yes result wise we haven't been the best, but we've played less then 10 games.You just can't read a lot out of that small of a sample size of results. Yes, we had an easy fixture list at the start of the season, but at the same time, we had to deal with a change of manager and then so many changes in the squad over the summer (or end of it, after we fecked up 3 games) and then we've also had to deal with a ridiculous amount of injuries. Given those factors, and not playing many games yet at all, is it any wonder that we haven't been consistent? We'll get better and more consistent as the year goes on, that much is certain.

It's just annoying when people start mentioning the premier league tables and the position we're in... I mean, a weak ago we were 4th despite not having special results, now we're 1 points away from Arsenal and Liverpool because we drew against Chelsea. The table just doesn't mean anything at this stage.
 
Yes result wise we haven't been the best, but we've played less then 10 games.You just can't read a lot out of that small of a sample size of results. Yes, we had an easy fixture list at the start of the season, but at the same time, we had to deal with a change of manager and then so many changes in the squad over the summer (or end of it, after we fecked up 3 games) and then we've also had to deal with a ridiculous amount of injuries. Given those factors, and not playing many games yet at all, is it any wonder that we haven't been consistent? We'll get better and more consistent as the year goes on, that much is certain.

It's just annoying when people start mentioning the premier league tables and the position we're in... I mean, a weak ago we were 4th despite not having special results, now we're 1 points away from Arsenal and Liverpool because we drew against Chelsea. The table just doesn't mean anything at this stage.

The thread title is : United under LvG: verdict so far!

Rate LVG performance SO FAR.

I don't understand what's with you. We are in agreement if you agree that result wise we haven't been the best. And that's all I'm saying, that regardless of the positives, Essexbob wasn't out of order when he says "but wait, you're still 8th"

Today is the 29th October. As of today we're 8th, so result wise we weren't good. Let's see how it goes on June. There, does it sounds better?
 
We look like a team in transition, and not helped by our ridiculous number injuries. That said, I like (at least from the looks of it) what we're "transitioning" to. The football looks good when it's on, good tempo but let down by lapses in defence which I believe we will slowly iron out.

Under Moyes, we looked like a team in transition - from bad to worse.

But in the end, the results have to count. I'd want us to be around the top 4 and getting back some of our fear factor by Christmas.
 
well, for the subject is: "verdict so far", so my only verdict is now we have got back to the united way. we are now playing back our aggressive football, not the regressive football displayed through out the whole last season.

for statistic wise, anyone can pick out the numbers in their own favor to justify their claims.

at the same time of the last season we were also sitting at the 8th. but all our rivals were far away upon us. this made us almost hopeless since this required all the top teams to slip through together to allow us a chance to challenge for the title.

for this season right now at the round 9, we are siting at the same position (by last week were at the 4th however) but there is now only chelsea being to head out all others on her own. if chelsea is going to win all their remaining games, then no one can do anything. just only if chelsea is going to slip down sometimes during the season, then the title challenge will immediately be open back to everyone including us.

in a table if 3 points can make a difference for 10 positions, then you can put aside the table for the moment.

i'm surprised so many of you are just looking for a top 4 finish. i see such kind of attitude is silly. i will not be happy if we are hopeless to make a serious charge to challenge the title, though i can take it easy of the final outcome no matter we end up at 2nd, 3rd or 4th.

at the end, our current team is still a work in progress, far from a finished article. yes our squad is still hanging in balance. but i can say the most important position for us to replenish is NOT to add another defender, but a midfielder who can really link up our play and hold out the game on our own feet. ideally we can get both strootman and alcantara but if we can get either one of them, i'm sure we will see a very different united. this is the missing link that hinder our play to be cohesive enough through out the whole 90 mins of a game.

all other additional signings including an established defender are just complementary or arguably an upgrade, but definitely not the critical one given our current squad built up.
 
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one last thing for those who think we have an easier fixture to start this season, out of the 9 games played so far 4 opponents are currently sitting in the upper side of the table
 
You could probably pick a handful of games under Moyes where we looked marginally decent, we've looked good in most games under VG, the improvement in playing style is significant.
VG has also had the extra task of integrating a new back four and not only that but an unsettled selection due to injuries. Rafael, our only survivor has only been available recently and we've had kids from our youth system involved in the majority of games.
You also have to factor in the injury to Carrick, Blind as good as he's been is still in a new league and playing alongside new teammates so our defensive midfielders communications and leadership still needs time to learn to adapt with the defence.
It's easy to point to stats but the progress is perfectly clear on the eye, LVG has my backing 100%
 
He's the right man at the right time. In hindsight, although a weird thought, it might turn out that the Moyes era was rather vital to our future success. It's feels like anyone would have failed after Fergie....it was too much of a change after 25 years and all the players were so used to a system, ethics etc. It feels there needed to be a stepping stone, a clearing of the dust between Fergie and the next top manager. Someone who with the distance of time could come in and totally re-haul the team without much question.

I love his interviews. He feels "United" in them. He's got a great sense of humour to and also amuses by his use of the language which, ok, confuses sometimes but you can't deny isn't kind of endearing. I get the sincere impression he knows exactly what he has to do, can't do it right now but will do. With Moyes I felt we could and probably would lose every game no matter who we were up against. Now....I'm not sure what will happen (although admittedly I thought we were going to get thumped by Chelsea!!) and that is definitely in the right direction.

I have faith and trust in him. Maureen, Van De Sar etc have stated what a great coach he is and I believe they are totally sincere in that. I realise that people might not have the same patience that was often afforded last season, but I'm kind of cutting out the history of Moyes and making the LVG era the real re-birth of United after Fergie.
 
It's seriously bang out of order, trust me. You can't take away anything because it's all part of the package. Yes, table doesn't lie, but you think West Ham and Sotton will finish where they are now? If we finish 5th this season then it will be a disaster.

Did you read the thread title ' verdict so far' not 'verdict in 5 months time' or ' how do you think he will do'? How is out of order to suggest to so far it has been a disaster when you have played (besides us) a first 8 games that some sides may have expected to get a full 24 points from? Im not suggesting he will be a disaster, far from it because im sure he wont but
its as if some guys cant help but have to be overprotective of him and keep on about how its going in the right direction and signs of improvement etc. Fine, thats true I don't dispute that, but the OP was asking how we thought he had done up untill now which does not include any upturn that will happen in the next 6 months or more.
 
It's been a really bad start imo esp with opposition we have played i expected more points. But to be fair he has had a lot of injuries and has only just come into the job. Sunday gave me great hope, we are improving and i'm confident he will get it right, the wheels are in motion.
 
Did you read the thread title ' verdict so far' not 'verdict in 5 months time' or ' how do you think he will do'? How is out of order to suggest to so far it has been a disaster when you have played (besides us) a first 8 games that some sides may have expected to get a full 24 points from? Im not suggesting he will be a disaster, far from it because im sure he wont but
its as if some guys cant help but have to be overprotective of him and keep on about how its going in the right direction and signs of improvement etc. Fine, thats true I don't dispute that, but the OP was asking how we thought he had done up untill now which does not include any upturn that will happen in the next 6 months or more.
Actually, it is out of order to say it is a disaster, even if it is only a "verdict so far". The current standing is within acceptable limits because the team is in transition, there were many injuries, the team is showing good progress in terms of performances despite the results, the team is still within touching distance of the top 4 and there are still many games to go. These factors justify the current standing of 8th. If we are still 8th at the end of the season, then yes, you can call it a disaster. Calling it a disaster is pure hyperbole at this point in time.
 
Actually, it is out of order to say it is a disaster, even if it is only a "verdict so far". The current standing is within acceptable limits because the team is in transition, there were many injuries, the team is showing good progress in terms of performances despite the results, the team is still within touching distance of the top 4 and there are still many games to go. These factors justify the current standing of 8th. If we are still 8th at the end of the season, then yes, you can call it a disaster. Calling it a disaster is pure hyperbole at this point in time.

Were Arsenal and Liverpool also not have disastrous starts I think your stance might be different. Im pretty sure if any of the other top teams were to have had this start plenty would be calling it like that, hell some on here actually believe Joses 3rd place finish and semi finals of the CL with a team in transition was a disaster.
 
Were Arsenal and Liverpool also not have disastrous starts I think your stance might be different. Im pretty sure if any of the other top teams were to have had this start plenty would be calling it like that, hell some on here actually believe Joses 3rd place finish and semi finals of the CL with a team in transition was a disaster.

The United squad from last year was broken and was clear to see there is no quick fix, although it is expected we should be doing better against the teams we have faced it's not surprising we are struggling at all. We have also had injuries which has forced us to call upon our youth academy, we haven't actually played with a settled defence yet either. So surprising? not really, disaster definitely not.

I wouldn't call Chelsea's team last year in 'transition' no matter how much Morinho tried to spin it, they were a very solid team missing a top quality striker, which they now have.
 
I see the manager as having two main roles. One is as a coach from a more traditional point of view: working on tactics, formations, game style etc.

The second role is as a leader and as strange as it may sound, a salesman. Essentially what a manager does is sell hope and belief. All sports are based on confidence. And if your players don't believe in your methods and what you are doing as a manager your stuffed. You hear about the media talking about a manager losing the players. Well I don't think Moyes every had them in the first place. That belief was never there and players were sapped of confidence.

LVG I'm more than happy with simply cause he's started getting some of that belief back. I think the players are starting to get that belief back in themselves. And I think they're trusting in LVG and his methods.

That, IMO, is what caused Moyes' downfall more than anything else. And I think tactics wise things will come, as players come back from injury and get a consistent run of games under their belts.
 
Personally I can only see things improving. Our injuries can surely only get better or staff will have to be sacked. I expect us to be in the top four by March time.

I hope to see the negative nellys in this thread cuddled back to being at least content in the next few months.
 
There was a thread in the Newbies asking what our expectations were from the Chosen Van.

Mine were good attacking football, more emphasis on youth, champions league football for next season and a solid cup run ending with us hopefully lifting some silverwear at Wembley.

So far, I'm satisfied. Feel like our team's cohesion is improving game by game and that a big performance is just around the corner.
 
Were Arsenal and Liverpool also not have disastrous starts I think your stance might be different. Im pretty sure if any of the other top teams were to have had this start plenty would be calling it like that, hell some on here actually believe Joses 3rd place finish and semi finals of the CL with a team in transition was a disaster.
Nope. The gap is only 6 points between 2 and 8. We're only 9 games into the season. While this is not a spectacular start, with all the mitigating circumstances I mentioned earlier, it sure as hell is not a disastrous start at all. Calling it a disaster at this stage is simply over the top to me.
 
It won't be too long before we give someone an 8-0 beating. We have the right man for the job, these things take time. We'll be better than we have ever been within a couple of years.
 
I'm personally quite happy.

Truth be told, after our pre-season I expected us to do better than we already have. That being said I do enjoy watching us play, happy with our new signings and I actually look forward to our games whereas under Moyes I'd dread them. LVG also makes me feel strangely confident - I actually fancy us against City now whereas under Moyes last year I'd be thinking of damage limitation.
 
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