United under LvG: verdict so far!

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Mciahel Goodman said:
I agree completely. I mean, when we lose, it's expected that people will be angry as feck. It's also justified as we should be winning these games. But it really was our best away performance since City (which we also lost).
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The thing is, the fact you consider this our "best performance" since the city game (which we weren't that good in, but I guess not getting completely hammered by city is an improvement for this modern day United) is something that should raise some serious concerns.

I knew this would happen though, we'd finally have a game where we don't look completely incompetent in (yet there were many faults in that performance today) and people would start lapping it up as if an average performance and crushing defeat to a poor Swansea team is some sort of credit deserving thing.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That was our best away performance in ages. First half was a bit meh but the first 20 or so minutes of the second was as good as anything we've produced on the road.

Won't stop people losing their shit because we lost though. Oh well.
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Pogue is the philosophy to bore teams to death? It's a hard watch, 4 hours down and 4 hours back up (not today) granted but feck me this is shite. Before the game the majority on here would have questioned McNair and RVP starting yet LVG didn't. Plus I would add Jones in that category as well. LVG is looking clueless we have been fortunate in our league position imho. I can't see us making top 4 and this is not knee jerk I have thought that for a while. We are stone average, we need movement up top feck we need a lot of things!
 
Just from the first half, it was plain to see that Mata or Januzaj would've been preferred to Fellaini as no.10, as a lot of our attacks were played on the ground. It was only the last 20 mins we started hoofing it hopelessly upfront to Fellaini.

Should've started Valencia ahead of McNair and not even changing RVP was shocking. He wasn't finishing the chances that were created for him so he needed to be benched.

So frustrating watching us atm, we dominated a large chunk of the 2nd half and still lost. Least van Gaal can shut up about our previous form, which isn't a true reflection of our performances.
 
Leroy The Red said:
The thing is, the fact you consider this our "best performance" since the city game (which we weren't that good in, but I guess not getting completely hammered by city is an improvement for this modern day United) is something that should raise some serious concerns.

I knew this would happen though, we'd finally have a game where we don't look completely incompetent in (yet there were many faults in that performance today) and people would start lapping it up as if an average performance and crushing defeat to a poor Swansea team is some sort of credit deserving thing.
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No, I don't believe there's any merit in losing, certainly no credit. But we did play good stuff in that second half, obviously it doesn't matter now, considering the result.
 
I believe that we are going to have a 5 year hangover from when Fergie left. I've always thought we wouldn't make top four this season, no matter who came in. It was a too monumental change which was always going to be inevitable. Moyes was one stepping stone...LVG is another. If we won the FA cup this season..but lost out on the top four, I would say keep him. This happened to Fergie once...
 
Freak said:
Our tactics have been baffling throughout the season. And after all the talk about how no player is bigger than the team, he continues to play 2 strikers to the detriment of the team. Playing Fellaini as a 10, no wingers. And I haven't even gotten to all the shifting of players in weird positions.
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When he does something right, it's - as somebody mentioned on here - through 'stumbling upon it', whilst the rest of the world has been calling for that call all season.
 
Honeymoon period is well over, and he doesn't get a good marks from me anyway, I'd imagine it's the same for most of the United support too.
 
DWelbz19 said:
When he does something right, it's - as somebody mentioned on here - through 'stumbling upon it', whilst the rest of the world has been calling for that call all season.
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Sigh, tis true.
 
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I could live with the result if we were trying to play the right way or even if we had continued playing the way we did at the start of the second-half but the approach we took after going behind was shocking. There were still 20 minutes left for us to build pressure and we just wasted possession and gave away silly fouls so many times by just hoofing the ball to Fellaini.
 
I'm still trying to accept that we are not challenging this Chelsea and City side for the title. Finishing behind arsenal and Liverpool again(let alone soton and spurs) Unthinkable.
 
We are in a complete mess, our current manager, the previous manager and too many of the players just haven't been or aren't good enough. LVG has a history of failing as well as succeeding and so far it looks like we will be another failure unless he can turn things round. He seems to be searching for the right style, formation and seems to have a no idea what his best line up is, I think we need a massive overhaul and the manager could be part of that.

It is going to be very difficult to get into the top four, arsenal will pull away from us and we are going to struggle to finish above Southampton, spurs and liverpool but it is possible even if it is unlikely.
 
The run we're on is pretty good. However the football is so poor. If he gets top four then I'm sure the football we've played will pale into insignificance, unless we start next season like this.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That was our best away performance in ages. First half was a bit meh but the first 20 or so minutes of the second was as good as anything we've produced on the road.

Won't stop people losing their shit because we lost though. Oh well.
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Totally agree, then they went up the other end with the first bit of possession, shelvey hit and hope with a deflection. Unbelievable it felt like so many of the Moyes games.

Let's hope we can kick on from this but the fact remains that if we don't make CL football he should be shown the door.
 
IhabX7 said:
Other people are angry that THIS was a good performance by this season's standards. It really wasn't a good performance by any means. This whole overreaction to stringing a few passes together is just stupid, do people here watch anything other than United? We should be doing better than this, and I feel that there are managers out there capable of producing better results and better style with the players we have.
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What frustrates me even more, VG has got a better squad, look at the midfield options, they are pretty damn good. Many give VG the reputation of what he achieved at Holland with a limited squad. With this United squad we should be seeing better results, and we not seeing it
 
He's been a fraud so far. All this talk of philosophy and the only plan we had once we went behind was to hit it to Fellaini and hope.
 
A commentator on Setenta Ireland about our match which sums us up perfectly IMO.
“I’d love to say it was an entertaining match, but that’s United”
 
All 3 United said:
Totally agree, then they went up the other end with the first bit of possession, shelvey hit and hope with a deflection. Unbelievable it felt like so many of the Moyes games.

Let's hope we can kick on from this but the fact remains that if we don't make CL football he should be shown the door.
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no..I don't think he should. I think he should be given a summer transfer window and then give it a go. I think he knows what he needs. He's had meetings with the owners. He's not an idiot and is, I hope, starting to understand the amazing competitiveness of the Premier league. Which will only get more so now there is so much more money involved.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That was our best away performance in ages. First half was a bit meh but the first 20 or so minutes of the second was as good as anything we've produced on the road.

Won't stop people losing their shit because we lost though. Oh well.
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The first 20 minutes was good so why did we stop playing that way the minute we went behind? That's what the manager is there for.
 
.Rossi said:
I'm still trying to accept that we are not challenging this Chelsea and City side for the title. Finishing behind arsenal and Liverpool again(let alone soton and spurs) Unthinkable.
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I believe we have the most expensive squad in Premiership history.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
A performance needs to be measured on more than just stats indeed. That was a good performance. We played well. Bit frantic at the end but meh, we were chasing the game.

Won't expect you to see it that way, mind you. Any excuse to bang that drum you've been banging all season.
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:lol::lol: You're surely on a WUM! Branding that a good performance, and then calling out @Count Orduck for not agreeing with you as if he's the one with an agenda.
 
We need to start fresh. This possession football we are playing is hurting the way we play. No fluidity in the play at all. We invite pressure and can't deal with it when it happens. A 2 striker system is not working this year. Please just have the balls to drop Van Persie and start either Falcao or Rooney up front on their own.
 
Lawman said:
Pogue is the philosophy to bore teams to death? It's a hard watch, 4 hours down and 4 hours back up (not today) granted but feck me this is shite. Before the game the majority on here would have questioned McNair and RVP starting yet LVG didn't. Plus I would add Jones in that category as well. LVG is looking clueless we have been fortunate in our league position imho. I can't see us making top 4 and this is not knee jerk I have thought that for a while. We are stone average, we need movement up top feck we need a lot of things!
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Yeah, we've loads of problems. Our squad has issues in every area. It will be a long time sorting all this shit out. Still, I'm discussing today's game. Which was a step in the right direction IMO. I was happy with the performance. Best away game in a while.

That's what pisses me off about this place. Always with the agendas. People find it so hard to judge a single performance in isolation, whether an individual or the team.
 
Jed I. Knight said:
:lol::lol: You're surely on a WUM! Calling that a good performance, and then belittling @Count Orduck for not agreeing with you.
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It actually was probAbly our best away performance in quite some time. Nothing at all to write home about but decentish in the first half better for much of the 2nd half plus quite a lot of hunger at 1-1 to win it

But we were shocking after they took the lead
 
Randall Flagg said:
It actually was probAbly our best away performance in quite some time. Nothing at all to write home about but decentish in the first half better for much of the 2nd half plus quite a lot of hunger at 1-1 to win it

But we were shocking after they took the lead
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Yes, I acknowledged that it was our best away performance for a while in my previous post in this thread. As I also stated in that post, that means next to nothing in the context of things, unfortunately, given that we weren't actually particularly good and were unable to create much. And, as you said, fell to pieces when they scored their second.
 
I honestly think our players are as confused as we are on van Gaal's selection criteria. I cannot understand some of his choices. McNair over Valencia at RB, Falcao and van Persie in spite of both being out of form, Hererra out of the team for so long and then only brought on to start today, Mata being dropped in spite being in good goalscoring form previously and I think it shows in the team.
 
I'm fed up with van Gaal. We create absolutely feck all in every game, we're such a shite side. I don't know where we go from here, the only way I see is down.
 
Why did Mata come on? What was he supposed to do that Di Maria can't?

Why or how did RVP stay on the pitch for the entire 90 while Januzaj and Wilson cooled their heels?

Why was Young not starting? Was one of our best players before he got injured, then was our best player against Preston and gets benched?
 
Randall Flagg said:
It actually was probAbly our best away performance in quite some time. Nothing at all to write home about but decentish in the first half better for much of the 2nd half plus quite a lot of hunger at 1-1 to win it

But we were shocking after they took the lead
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It wasn't that great. How many saves did their goalkeeper make? We have a lot of the ball and do nothing with it. Just like the majority of our games away from home.

This isn't being unlucky. It's poor management. As we so comfortable to play against.
 
Randall Flagg said:
It actually was probAbly our best away performance in quite some time. Nothing at all to write home about but decentish in the first half better for much of the 2nd half plus quite a lot of hunger at 1-1 to win it

But we were shocking after they took the lead
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This is the worrying thing.....For parts of the game, we were "decentish" and yet, that's probably our best away performance. Says it all
This is an utter mess at the moment
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yeah, we've loads of problems. Our squad has issues in every area. It will be a long time sorting all this shit out. Still, I'm discussing today's game. Which was a step in the right direction IMO. I was happy with the performance. Best away game in a while.
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I agree that our squad has issues in many areas, but as a starting 11 our team looks very impressive. Tactics and team selection and are to blame here not squad depth.

As for being our best away game in a while, not sure how you came to that conclusion. We created very little in terms of genuine chances, it was the same o' same o' for me.
 
He's a dead man walking for me. I wonder who Ed will get in for next season. It's tough to lose a manager a season but much more detrimental to keep the wrong man in longer than you should.

The sensible money is not on us finishing 4th...looking at the fixtures we will come in around 5th of 6th place.
 
akash02 said:
Why did Mata come on? What was he supposed to do that Di Maria can't?
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I thought that as well. Perhaps it was due to Di Maria having a poor game. Maybe it was also he thought Mata would have more accuracy in aiming the ball to Fellaini's head... unfortunately I'm not joking about that last one.
 
I'm just baffled at the moment, want to give LVG a chance, but feel he's not done enough in the two windows he's had to get the right personnel for his systems. Now needs to look at changing his systems t suit the the players and not vice versa, as I can see 4th slipping away.
 
I don't care for his non-presence on the touchline. In a game like today at 2-1 down, you would expect any manager to be there, tweaking, encouraging, screaming at players who are switching off, demanding that risks be taken to try and get a result. Under Fergie, he would be orchestrating the risks we take in the last 10 minutes, instructing who to go forward. Do we have a Plan B? Earlier in the season the Plan B was to stop playing the 3-5-2 after 55 minutes because it was terrible. Now we're not playing it, what do we do to change things? Nothing, by the looks of it. The communication between the manager and the players mid-game seems to be via the substitutes.

We've conceded 2 goals for the first time since October. Perhaps Van Gaal will see this as lack of balance and reintroduce the back 3. Yuck.
 
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