United Risking a Vicious Cycle?

Well Woodward says the club has vast amounts of cash and could easily break the world record. I don't know why you are doubting it, it's straight out of the Chairman's mouth and he knows more than all of us.
Didn't he say that last year too?

I'll believe it when I see it.
 
I think I've said this before, but the squad may arguably have been in better shape if we had kept Moyes; he'd had plenty of time to identify targets, to figure out who he didn't want at the club and to put these plans in place. The caveat to this being we'd have a worse manager than we do now.

I wish we had gotten a decent manager in last summer, someone that we could have stuck with through this summer who would have been well placed to deal with the numerous issues in our team, and someone who would, I'm sure, have at least gotten us to 4th spot in the league.

It seems to me we're doing everything a year late, and may have to face another pretty dross year before things get any better.
 
I think I've said this before, but the squad may arguably have been in better shape if we had kept Moyes; he'd had plenty of time to identify targets, to figure out who he didn't want at the club and to put these plans in place. The caveat to this being we'd have a worse manager than we do now.

I wish we had gotten a decent manager in last summer, someone that we could have stuck with through this summer who would have been well placed to deal with the numerous issues in our team, and someone who would, I'm sure, have at least gotten us to 4th spot in the league.

It seems to me we're doing everything a year late, and may have to face another pretty dross year before things get any better.

The squad has no pace and no invention. It hasn't been addressed by Van Gaal/Woodward. The same shit will happen as last year. Teams will find it easy to play against us. Playing against a team with no pace and no creativity is not that hard.

I'd still pick LvG over Moyes. At least he knows what he is doing and will at least say the right things.
 
I'm with Massive Spanner on this one. We have spent a serious amount of money. If the right player is available for the right price I have no doubt that LVG would sanction it and Ed get the job done.

If a CM does not materialise then it is not end of the world. I disagree that it is all over by January in that scenario. Carrick is back to training start of October according to reports. In the meantime we play Sunderland (A), Burnley (A), QPR (H), Leicester (A), West Ham (H), Everton (H). Six games against bottom half (quartile?!) teams with the exception of Everton. I imagine Carrick would be available for WBA away after the international break. I can see him forming a good, balanced partnership with Herrera.

If you guys really think that after that run of games (during which we will also have RVP, Shaw, Evans etc back playing) we will be totally out of touch of a top four finish then you are in full PANIC MODE :wenger: and need to calm the feck down. We have only played one game this season for criss-sake!

Those games are going to be much harder than a lot of people think, we are there for the taking at Old Trafford against any team who sits back and counter attacks and all of the away games will be tough as well, I think we will only have about 10-12 points after those games and be behind all of last season’s top 4. We won’t be out of the race for 4th but we will have lost ground despite having the easiest start and it is going to be a real uphill struggle to finish 4th or higher this season
 
We have no diving right to beat these teams and I guarantee you we will not win them all.

That's what we are doing wrong - Ashley Young needs to regain his Tom Daley form of old!

And secondly, Carrick? Carrick was terrible last season and some people seem to view him as some kind of messiah.

I'm not holding Carrick out as some sort of second coming but he is a class no.6 and, especially since last season's cluster feck, vastly underrated on here. I assume LVG does not make the same mistake and is looking forward to using the Carrick-Herrera axis as our CM in the 3-5-2 pending the arrival of the true saviour (in LVG's mind) - THE STROOT.

This will set-up up nicely for a good tilt at the top four IF we can negotiate the October -November fixtures without implosion (big if I accept). The squad just needs to build some confidence over the next 6-7 games before Chelsea - City - Arse almost back-to-back.

In Louie we trust :nervous:
 
I think I've said this before, but the squad may arguably have been in better shape if we had kept Moyes; he'd had plenty of time to identify targets, to figure out who he didn't want at the club and to put these plans in place. The caveat to this being we'd have a worse manager than we do now.

I wish we had gotten a decent manager in last summer, someone that we could have stuck with through this summer who would have been well placed to deal with the numerous issues in our team, and someone who would, I'm sure, have at least gotten us to 4th spot in the league.

It seems to me we're doing everything a year late, and may have to face another pretty dross year before things get any better.
His targets were basically Europeans giants best players. It's very difficult to land Pogba/Kroos/Fabregas/Vidal/Reus with no European football when they're already at top clubs and will be coveted by other top clubs should they actually be on the market (as happened with Fabregas and Kroos).

Woodward would've taken the blame when he 'let Moyes down' like he's doing now, but I think we're simply suffering from being an unattractive proposition to elite players. We've missed out on a lot of the top end players over the years and that's without finishing midtable.
 
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January of what year? This one? I'd say that counts.

6 players was always going to be an outrageous ask, you're making out like this squad is rubbish, it's not. It's definitely capable of getting top four, the confidence is just a bit shot after last season and we're adapting to a new formation at the moment. LvG also said himself he starts off quite slow.

There's also no guarantee that if we do sign 6 players we'll get top 4. If the right players aren't available then there's no point trying to get them.

This summer we bought a good cm, a promising kid from southampton and an argentinian international. None of them can be said to be world class. Meanwhile giggs, vidic, rio, evra, nani and buttner left. I still have doubts whether this transfer window had actually strengthen us at all. I mean is shaw that better then evra? Is rojo better then vidic?

Not to forget other teams has strengthen their squad greatly.
 
I call shenanigans. We can't offer CL football so whilst the likes of Di Maria might be available, we just aren't an attractive proposition, simple as that. I don't believe for a second that money is the issue here, look at the amount we've spent in the last few years.

Both city and chelsea were able to attract great talent without cl football