I'd join in with the England celebrations for the craic but it's still United > England for me
United or England ?
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Haven't supported England since Beckham 98. The fans and media have hardly made it tempting for me to come back round to it either.
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Because England won nothing! United in the darkest days still won some trophies so u love United more. If England is the serial winner like Spain or Germany. Like I said before, small club supporters will tend to choose England and follow the team every tournament than big club supporters because the their boyhood clubs never win a thing and England. Imagine one day the EPL fall down, all English players play for foreign clubs, you guys will choose England over United
Nah. Even when Jack Charlton had us competing with the best I found International Football a bit boring. The last International team that really rocked my world and got me excited was Brazil in 82!That explains it
Partly my view is because I've never seen England win anything and I've seen United win plenty including the PL multiple times (even if it was ages ago). If England win the Euros and the next WC and United continue to be shite, maybe my stance will change.
United are the team for me.
Yep.
Your reasoning is based on a lack of knowledge.
United, England and Football existed before 1992, (yes I know that's hard to believe, but it did)
I can't remember the number of United games I've been to, since I was knee high to a grasshopper, even a 200mile round trip never stopped me.
For the last twenty odd. years I've lived about 1.5 hrs from Wembley, and never once had the inclination to go and watch England
United or England ? Scousers do this type of thing , the reason it's a thing ( which it isn't ) is because England are shit . I support both , I love both , there's no conflict as far as I can see. United have given me far more joy than England though .
If you want to know how you should feel , you'd be better asking real madrid , PSG , Bayern , juve , Ac Milan . Those guys win stuff domestically and internationally .
I don't know how they'd respond , but I don't think it would necessarily be along the lines of ,.. feck italy it juve all the way for me .
If you want to know how you should feel , you'd be better asking real madrid , PSG , Bayern , juve , Ac Milan . Those guys win stuff domestically and internationally .
I don't know how they'd respond , but I don't think it would necessarily be along the lines of ,.. feck italy it juve all the way for me .
United uber alles.
Please don’t disrespect my country twice in the last century young men from here answered the call and helped save Europe from tyranny
United is in my blood, it has nothing to do with winning trophies and titles. Im proudly English but as far as football goes United come first.
Sooo what you’re saying is…you’d prefer to see United winning the PL/CL over Ireland winning the World Cup or the Euros?
In hindsight the thread should have been the country of your nationality instead of England then maybe patriotism would have kicked in.
With all due respect - the anglo-americans played their part but it was the Soviets who were key and even hoisted their flag in Berlin. Credit to you lot for ruling the airwaves though.
United have done the club over country thing longer than the scousers.
Post France 98 was a turning for many and their relationship with the national side.
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I would actually like to see England win a tournament but United and our players always come first
was actually strange Vs Denmark since they had 2 of our players and none for England
I would actually like to see England win a tournament but United and our players always come first
was actually strange Vs Denmark since they had 2 of our players and none for England
United. Never been heavily invested with international football. Growing up always felt like our English players were being shaded by the national team in the early 90s. 96 onwards the treatment of Beckham and under appreciation of Scholes continued to leave a sour taste. Also, I always felt United players under SAF had much more of a winning mentality than anyone else, but while there’s been many of our players involved in the national team never felt the team was built around our players.
Odd question to ask in an anti-english forum
Me personally both.
I'd love England to win a trophy in my lifetime that'd be the cherry on top of the cake being a United and England football fan.
I love United but I also want England to do well. I love it when the country comes together for a couple of weeks every two years.
The only time my support for the national team wavered was in the late 90s when ABUism was at it's peak.
I'll never forget being at Wembley in 97 and 98 when the 'Stand up if you hate Man Utd' chants rung around the stadium and our players were scapegoated with jeers and boos whenever England played shit.
Put me right off.
Me personally both.
I'd love England to win a trophy in my lifetime that'd be the cherry on top of the cake being a United and England football fan.
I love United but I also want England to do well. I love it when the country comes together for a couple of weeks every two years.
The only time my support for the national team wavered was in the late 90s when ABUism was at it's peak.
I'll never forget being at Wembley in 97 and 98 when the 'Stand up if you hate Man Utd' chants rung around the stadium and our players were scapegoated with jeers and boos whenever England played shit.
Put me right off.
Easy.
We did the anti England thing long before the scousers did.
And if you went across Europe, many fans of the bigger European clubs have complicated relationships with their national sides.
I don't know how old you are, but the anti England feeling among many United fans goes back a long way and it has nothing to do with them being crap.
For many it goes back to the shocking abuse Beckham received from Ingurland fans. He was booed at nearly every ground for months after '98. He's far from alone too. Both the Neville brothers got pelters for mistakes playing for their country, for example. Stand up if you hate Man Utd rang around many England games in the 90s as well.
Also it's the racism. The awful behaviour abroad. The disgusting xenophobic songs from the fans.
The press and media don't help either. The constant cycle of blind optimism and chest beating. Ignoring obvious shortcomings and not allowing any room for realistic appraisal, followed by scapegoating and blame when they inevitably don't win, making the whole experience of watching England really quite painful.
Not even mistakes, Gary was booed at Wembley one game for no reason
United every time. Sometimes the gap closes a little, sometimes it widens. The gap is pretty wide right now due to the manager, the lack of United players in the starting eleven and a general lack of familiarity with some of the players in the group. Also, fans and the media being nasty to particular players doesn't help either. Patriotism just isn't in my DNA.
Having said that, I'll support the team and hope they do well.
Having said that, I'll support the team and hope they do well.
I love United and did not miss more than 3 games in the last 10 years. But the emotions I have while seeing Switzerland play on major tournaments are something else. There is this deep proudness and connection to my country I feel which I obviously not feel for United.
So Swiss Nationalteam over United for me.
So Swiss Nationalteam over United for me.
United all day but of course my allegiance is to Nigeria.
United or Nigeria? Nigeria all day! The emotion that comes with Nigeria cannot be compared. My kids support England as is their choice and right but Nigeria all the way. I want England to do well because it is my second home.
United or Nigeria? Nigeria all day! The emotion that comes with Nigeria cannot be compared. My kids support England as is their choice and right but Nigeria all the way. I want England to do well because it is my second home.
I get invested with England every two years, and to be honest the only thing that will surpass United winning anything (which I've seen before) is England winning the WC.
I am hyper critical of so many things this country, which I never chose to be born in, has done. I am the opposite of a patriot, but for some reason I do get very nervous watching England in a big game against a good side in at tournaments.
What galvanises my support for England (national team) is two things and you could argue they contradict one another...
1) How individually talented they always have been and I could mention so many world class players, yet they've failed to win as a team since 66. I've played football all my life and have watched it as much but I have always been puzzled as to why England teams over the years, despite having an amazing team, have underperformed.
2) How much scrutiny they get from the press, England fans and the general footballing world.
I am hyper critical of so many things this country, which I never chose to be born in, has done. I am the opposite of a patriot, but for some reason I do get very nervous watching England in a big game against a good side in at tournaments.
What galvanises my support for England (national team) is two things and you could argue they contradict one another...
1) How individually talented they always have been and I could mention so many world class players, yet they've failed to win as a team since 66. I've played football all my life and have watched it as much but I have always been puzzled as to why England teams over the years, despite having an amazing team, have underperformed.
2) How much scrutiny they get from the press, England fans and the general footballing world.
United.
My interest in England doesn't stretch much beyond whatever tournament bandwagon is currently underway (usually orchestrated by the BBC). I'll probably get really excited by the canoeing or something equally random at the Olympics next month.
That said - I do watch England properly if there are United players on the field, or maybe an ex-player or a transfer target. It's a kind of superficial support though, I want England to win but I'm not really bothered when we lose - unless someone is going to scapegoat a United player for it.
I do like live football but I'm not willing to spend the kind of money/commitment it takes to get to the big matches at the men's tournaments. However I went to Women's World Cup QFs, semifinals and final in France in 2019 and I went to England's matches, including the final at the Women's Euros in 2023.
When I was actually in the stadium, I was a really committed England fan. Though admittedly I was also a really committed fan of France and Netherlands when they played against the USA in that women's world cup run
My interest in England doesn't stretch much beyond whatever tournament bandwagon is currently underway (usually orchestrated by the BBC). I'll probably get really excited by the canoeing or something equally random at the Olympics next month.
That said - I do watch England properly if there are United players on the field, or maybe an ex-player or a transfer target. It's a kind of superficial support though, I want England to win but I'm not really bothered when we lose - unless someone is going to scapegoat a United player for it.
I do like live football but I'm not willing to spend the kind of money/commitment it takes to get to the big matches at the men's tournaments. However I went to Women's World Cup QFs, semifinals and final in France in 2019 and I went to England's matches, including the final at the Women's Euros in 2023.
When I was actually in the stadium, I was a really committed England fan. Though admittedly I was also a really committed fan of France and Netherlands when they played against the USA in that women's world cup run
For the one or two nights of celebration, I'd love for England to win a major tournament, as I've seen United win it all. In the grand scheme though, i'd give anything for United to be back at the top.
Club > country, always.
United. How then hell is anyone saying England, that’s insane to me.
United by as big a distance as is possible.
It started over 100 years ago and has been pretty consistent ever since. Opposition fans being critical started in the 1940's and 1950's and the press really started on United around the same time.
Since then it has been one thing after another.
United have never been in the good books of the FA and that's why so many supporters are pretty non-invested.
United, Wales, England.
In that order.
In that order.
couple of years before my time but apparently the whole country was in mourning for the babes certainly was in my area Duncan Edwards was one of our own and his memory still is
Brazil first for me, but I don't give a shit about most international friendlies
Manchester > The rest of the country/England.
And yet...a few years earlier, everyone was complaining (the press, other clubs managers) that Matt Busby played him in a youth game and that Busby shouldn't have because he was 'too good' for that level.
The FA supposedly looked into it and asked United not to play Edwards but Walter Crickmer went down to London and pulled out the FA Youth Cup rule book set by the FA and asked them where the rules said that. In the end Edwards played in the youth game and the FA got really pissed off about it.
Then immediately after Munich the FA selected Bobby Charlton for an England game in Russia which clashed with our European Cup semi-final tie with AC Milan. Busby asked the FA to not pick him as we still had no players and the FA refused. England then went to Russia and Bobby wasn't selected. Murphy and Crickmer went nuts but the FA just said that it was in the rules.
Like I said...there are loads of examples throughout the years where United and the FA have clashed so that all contributes to United fans not really prioritising England in any way.
As in immigrant my early experiences with England were horrible. Was hard to get behind the national team.
Pretty much meant it was UTD or nothing.
Pretty much meant it was UTD or nothing.
I supported Denmark over England because Eriksen and Hojlund were playing.
This is where it gets interesting as England WC win could also mean an additional bank holiday