I think the club believed he would. We still had Gibson at that time too and Giggs was still capable of playing in central midfield, he sure as hell isn't now and also Jones was here too.
United in this Summer transfer window
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I think the club believed he would. We still had Gibson at that time too and Giggs was still capable of playing in central midfield, he sure as hell isn't now and also Jones was here too.
I think we would have bid what it took, had we been presented with a willingness to sell.
Once they'd sold Thiago, It was always going to be a case of a 'bid too good to refuse' rather than convincing them to sell without a meaty offer.
I don't get it. The likelihood wasn't great .... So we bid LESS than his value?
What about when we have a big PL match on a Sunday, a tough CL match on Wednesday and then another PL match on Saturday/Sunday? We can't play him twice a week with any sort of regularity, it would be suicidal.
He's played between 41 and 44 matches in the four (edit:five!) seasons before the current one, so we can't expect him to be playing more than that this season (less, if anything). That means, if we have a decent run in Europe and want to play him in the bigger Cup matches, we can't play him in every single PL match. We need a backup.
Just to reiterate my point, again: I'm NOT saying we don't need a centre mid. I'm saying, imo, the need is less urgent than it was. We lucked out in the past, we may not in future. But on paper I reckon we're stronger in that position than we were a season or two ago.
And yes Timdbro, I agree with you. I felt the same last summer. And the summer before that. And the summer before that I also felt we needed to sign a midfielder. We've always exceeded the expectations I had when we failed to sign someone... But I still do agree with you.
I'm not opposed to either Fellaini or Baines. (Assuming Evra is leaving otherwise Baines is unnecessary). Fellaini would be much needed cover/partner for Carrick.
However I can't help but think we'd be better off going straight for the players Everton would probably target as their replacements - McCarthy and Shaw. Cheaper, young, and both have the ability to become better than the Everton duo.
However I can't help but think we'd be better off going straight for the players Everton would probably target as their replacements - McCarthy and Shaw. Cheaper, young, and both have the ability to become better than the Everton duo.
I don't think anybody understood the reasoning for bids like that. I assume it was simply a couple of unsettling bids. I have total faith in Moyes but the money man certainly is starting to look like an incompetent oaf.
Let's just hope is keeping his cash for CR7.... as soon as Bale sells.
Stop talking sense buddy. Too many people on here will not get your point.
Not to mention simple fact- Carrick with all.his briliance has also limtations. He is not able to play pressing game. It would be sweet to have an alternative game plan....for many a concept to hard to grasp.
Carrick can play pressing football but we don't set up to play that way, we set up with our players as spread out as they can be, can't play pressing football well like that. But yeah definitely need an alternative to carrick.
We will sign some player in january
I'd forgotten about Gibson to be honest. But Jones now is no comparison to Jones then. And that's my point, the same players in midfield are improving at the moment because our squad is young.
Hey, if Xavi can play pressing football, then Carrick certainly can too, given the right conditions. I agree though, we haven't been set up to play that way for a while, and a few too many of our players are not really suited to it.
At the end of it all, if we end up with Modric-Fellaini-Baines for 70m or so, will it be called decent transfer window for us? I think so.
We won't though. We'll end up with Fellaini and maybe Baines (a player we don't need).
So it will be a shot window.
That's the spirit! Always look on the bright side, and all that.
Sorry, I'm just angry that we've left our business until this late in the window and spent time chasing players who seemingly didn't want to join us.
Am I saying we can't be competitive this season, no. Nonetheless this window has been shit.
We would have 2 very promising full backs (Fabio and Shaw) + Buttner whose decent. That should suffice. Shaw and Baines has the same CL experience.
It wouldn't suffice. It would be a liability. Huge step down from evra.
just modric would make it a great summer - we're not even in for him though are we?
Fellaini makes it an alright summer - a bit more depth to the squad
If we truly believe in Fabio's and Shaw's potential then it wouldnt be a liability.
There were rumours couple of days ago of bid for Modric. Let's see.
Potential takes time to develop. No point sacrificing current results for not just one but two talents for the same position. Would be really daft.
Buttner is dogshit.
Time for my post of the day:
There will be no United transfer news today.
Carry on, Caf'
There will be no United transfer news today.
Carry on, Caf'
What would you guys say is our biggest weakness in midfield?
For me, it's a) our inability to cut open teams through the middle through our passing. We always seem to go wide because we're not confident of going through the middle. B) our ability to hold on to the ball when pressed.
For both weaknesses the likes of thiago and fabregas were perfect. And for both weaknesses, fellaini will do feck all. I've always said he should do well for us but my issue with him being our only midfield signing of the summer is that it ignores the biggest problems we have.
For me, it's a) our inability to cut open teams through the middle through our passing. We always seem to go wide because we're not confident of going through the middle. B) our ability to hold on to the ball when pressed.
For both weaknesses the likes of thiago and fabregas were perfect. And for both weaknesses, fellaini will do feck all. I've always said he should do well for us but my issue with him being our only midfield signing of the summer is that it ignores the biggest problems we have.
I agree. Fellaini would be an excellent signing but only as cover for Carrick or when we'd play a flat hard working middle 3. We still need a kingmaker like Fabregas in central midfield, whether we sign Fellani or not.
We're also far too open through the middle which gets exposed even further against top opposition as Carrick cant do it all himself. Fellaini will address that. He'l also act as cover for Carrick. He wont address the issues you mentioned though which is why I've always believed we needed 2 CMs. Moyes said so himself in a presser iirc.
Yup, we've often used Jones to partner Carrick to address this, but then we lose all our ability to retain possession and end up giving the ball away cheaply. A Fellaini and Carrick midfield could potentially address this issue.
Decent? Try brilliant! Fellaini and Baines who'd improve our squad for £35m and Modric who'd significantly improve our first XI for another £35m would be a fantastic transfer window and make us clear favourites for the title.
I'd say this is looking more and more like a poorly planned, executed and timed transfer window on our part, sadly.
If we get in Fellaini and Baines I wouldn't be happy with our business at all.
Plus we need to get rid of deadwood like Macheda and Bebe.
If we get in Fellaini and Baines I wouldn't be happy with our business at all.
Plus we need to get rid of deadwood like Macheda and Bebe.
I don't think we can take too much notice of this window. Our planned acquisitions for this summer, whoever they might have been, have been thrown out when the manager changed. I do find it a little odd this repeated line that Moyes only took over on July 1st when it is very obvious that he actually took over as soon as the last game finished last season. Contractual issues I suppose. However, we have been a bit too hesitant this time around and whilst I can understand the preference for premiership proven performers, I am concerned that we've shut ourselves off from a lot of good players.I don't get the huge amounts of time between bids for players. Get on the phone and get it done, or better yet, get in a car / plane and get yourself over there to do the deal in person.
I think it'll take a year at least for Moyes scouting and acquisition philosophies to be implemented... things don't change instantly. It could well be that the types of players that the scouts have been told to look for has changed markedly and therefore we don't have the same depth of information available to make our decisions, hence the drive for known players.I thought the article on the "transfer centre" that Moyes used to maintain was very interesting and if we are to move to this it could be a very different philosophy to that previously used (who knows!).
What I wouldn't want to see is the reputed tardiness in the market that Moyes has a reputation for next year. I would be very comfortable in a year where not all of our goals are met but the philosophy we have had of being early and decisive in the market next summer is maintained. Ideally the deals should be lined up and essentially done by April / May next year where possible (what with it being a world cup year this maybe fanciful thinking).
I think it'll take a year at least for Moyes scouting and acquisition philosophies to be implemented... things don't change instantly. It could well be that the types of players that the scouts have been told to look for has changed markedly and therefore we don't have the same depth of information available to make our decisions, hence the drive for known players.I thought the article on the "transfer centre" that Moyes used to maintain was very interesting and if we are to move to this it could be a very different philosophy to that previously used (who knows!).
What I wouldn't want to see is the reputed tardiness in the market that Moyes has a reputation for next year. I would be very comfortable in a year where not all of our goals are met but the philosophy we have had of being early and decisive in the market next summer is maintained. Ideally the deals should be lined up and essentially done by April / May next year where possible (what with it being a world cup year this maybe fanciful thinking).
He's defensively woeful.
Look 45 sec into the video:
We just play wide players regardless. Thats our culture.
Very interesting analysis that. Something to ponder over. With modern football moving towards more and more strength in central areas I feel the time might come soon for us to maybe make the shift too.
But having said that, there's a difference between playing with width and being poor in your ability to pass through teams. And even if we stick with how we've set up in thr past it doesn't mean we have to be a one trick poney side that can't open teams up through the middle. Put fabregas in our side along with Carrick and instantly you'll have a better balance.
Yeap. It will bring us into the 21st century. But my having said that, my fav teams have been the 93/94, 98/99 and 06/07 teams
It's true what Gary says, though, we have always traditionally played with width. The problem for me last season was our wide players were mostly off form and didn't deliver consistently enough..which makes winning the league last season one of Fergie's greatest league wins to my mind.