United in this Summer transfer window

Sir A1ex said:
I tend to agree, but on the other hand I seem to remember people thinking we didn't need Evra because Henize was so good. Not saying teh situation is the same, obviously, but everybody has to start somewhere!
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There's also the fact that Evra was 24 when we bought him. At 28 (29 in December), Baines is not exactly one for the future.
 
We're not acting with much common sense in this window.

Baines is hardly essential. I'd rather stick with the 3 LB's we've already got. As for Felliaini, I'd prefer other options but if we were so interested in him, why did we let his release clause expire? We're going to pursue this and end up paying over the odds. So unnecessary.
 
Silly daft bid with obviously no chance of being accepted. aka an Arsenal bid.

If someone told me last May we'd be going into games this season against Chelsea and Liverpool still having failed to address the 'central midfield problem' I'd have told them to feck off because our club isn't run by incompetent gimps....
 
Woodward seems incompetent and/or tight as feck, e.g Glazer's puppet. The whole summer from "going after the best players", all the bullshit statements, that urgent transfer business, the Rooney saga, Thiago Fabregas and the midfield problem, this stupid bid, has been farcical. An injury to Carrick and we're in deep trouble.
 
If Marouane will indeed join us, he'll probably return to his old centre midfield role, as it's gonna be quite hard to take Rooney's or Kagawa's spot in the first team.

He'll add strength and height, both in attack and defense, especially against physically stronger Premier League teams but for now it looks like Moyes is cautious and checking Everton's reaction... Nothing for sure, folks.

If he really decide to go for Fellaini, 2nd bid is inevitable and sooner or later Everton will accept, especially with player who not only desires but I think also deserves a slightly bigger challenge and better players around him.

We'll see... at least we're finally getting some signals from the manager about new additions.
 
Woodward is gonna adhere to Glazernomics even more then Gill....he's basically one of them. So expect lots and lots of United trying to save as much money as possible when it comes to transfers.
 
Godfather said:
We are quite something in this transfer window. Bit of a comedy tbh.
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Don't you think it's been a weird transfer window all round? Spurs signing players early along with City, other clubs spending the TV money like water. The only thing that hasn't changed is Arsenal saying they have loads of dough and that they are going to spend big, just before season ticket renewal time and then doing nothing. It might end up a race between them and us as to who can spend the most money in the last couple of days of the transfer window.
 
Sam said:
Woodward is gonna adhere to Glazernomics even more then Gill....he's basically one of them. So expect lots and lots of United trying to save as much money as possible when it comes to transfers.
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Maybe they should sack him, that would save loads of money.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Don't you think it's been a weird transfer window all round? Spurs signing players early along with City, other clubs spending the TV money like water. The only thing that hasn't changed is Arsenal saying they have loads of dough and that they are going to spend big, just before season ticket renewal time and then doing nothing. It might end up a race between them and us as to who can spend the most money in the last couple of days of the transfer window.
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Not really. Everyone acted the same as ever. Never did I expect City, Chelski, Barca or Real to sit on their arses. They were always going to spend stupid money as always. Arsenal didnt change neither.

This transfer window it's just us that acted differently and not to the best.
 
Leroy The Red said:
If someone told me last May we'd be going into games this season against Chelsea and Liverpool still having failed to address the 'central midfield problem' I'd have told them to feck off because our club isn't run by incompetent gimps....
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That wouldve been very bold of you, considering we have been in this boat for the last three summers - at least - and the outcome has always been exactly the same.
 
Godfather said:
Not really. Everyone acted the same as ever. Never did I expect City, Chelski, Barca or Real to sit on their arses. They were always going to spend stupid money as always. Arsenal didnt change neither.

This transfer window it's just us that acted differently and not to the best.
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You are getting people phoning in MUTV saying we don't need anyone. Gordon McQueen said, this is Manchester United and that we never sit still, that they always try to improve the squad every season. It appears we are superglued to our chairs at the moment. Just hoping there is a surprise round the corner.
 
Adebesi said:
That wouldve been very bold of you, considering we have been in this boat for the last three summers - at least - and the outcome has always been exactly the same.
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Then maybe we need to employ a scout who knows about midfielders. They just don't seem to know what they are looking for at all. People are saying Fellaini doesn't fit. Moyes wasn't sure about Thiago and Modric. What on earth do they want and does he exist? Just get a DM and a AM sorted, not looking for someone who can do both.
 
Adebesi said:
That wouldve been very bold of you, considering we have been in this boat for the last three summers - at least - and the outcome has always been exactly the same.
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A player retiring, a leading youngster leaving, a long term injury and a new manager. Surely this was the summer.....
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Then maybe we need to employ a scout who knows about midfielders. They just don't seem to know what they are looking for at all. People are saying Fellaini doesn't fit. Moyes wasn't sure about Thiago and Modric. What on earth do they want and does he exist? Just get a DM and a AM sorted, not looking for someone who can do both.
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Im not thinking of an interview or a comment in particular but didnt SAF always waffle on about how there were no Keane / Robson equivalents in the market, therefore it didnt make sense to buy a midfielder? I must admit I thought this summer might be different, being that we are under new management, but in retrospect I cant say I am hugely surprised. I reckon Moyes will address this issue but he needs more time to get a feel for what he has at his disposal.
 
Leroy The Red said:
A player retiring, a leading youngster leaving, a long term injury and a new manager. Surely this was the summer.....
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The summer Scholes originally left, Fletcher was also well into his injury at that point: I was utterly convinced we HAD to buy a midfielder that summer. But we didnt. As I said earlier today, I think our midfield situation is less urgent than it was then. Still urgent, but less urgent. As long as Carrick carries on playing every week we will be fine.
 
Adebesi said:
Im not thinking of an interview or a comment in particular but didnt SAF always waffle on about how there were no Keane / Robson equivalents in the market, therefore it didnt make sense to buy a midfielder? I must admit I thought this summer might be different, being that we are under new management, but in retrospect I cant say I am hugely surprised. I reckon Moyes will address this issue but he needs more time to get a feel for what he has at his disposal.
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That is worrying. There won't be any Keane/Robson type players out there as they can't/don't exist in the modern game. The game has moved on. No damn wonder we haven't signed anyone.
 
I think we must have transfer tourrettes. We just seem to not be able to help ourselves by chucking in 'insulting' bids for players and pissing other clubs off. I blame the introduction of Smeagol.
 
There would be loads in here, critical, if we had offered more for the pair. This is a lose, lose year for most of you pessimists, not matter what the club do.
 
Fergie's Man said:
There would be loads in here, critical, if we had offered more for the pair. This is a lose, lose year for most of you pessimists, not matter what the club do.
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Yep, which is why the club should just identify the players it wants and get them while just ignoring the caf. 28mil bid for fellaini + baines is neither here nor there which is the issue. Just like the 25 and 30mil bids for fabregas.
 
Varun_Utd said:
Yep, which is why the club should just identify the players it wants and get them while just ignoring the caf. 28mil bid for fellaini + baines is neither here nor there which is the issue. Just like the 25 and 30mil bids for fabregas.
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Are you saying we should do away with a low opening bid for the "pair" and just go in guns blazing? This surely would be considered an opening bid by Everton and they would simply want more.
 
Fergie's Man said:
Are you saying we should do away with a low opening bid for the "pair" and just go in guns blazing? This surely would be considered an opening bid by Everton and they would simply want more.
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Not at all. opening bids are never very high but this isnt our 1st bid for baines. fellaini had a release clause till couple of days back too.

As I said, with 2 weeks to go, we're just setting ourselves up poorly.

Also, our last bid for fabregas was of 30mil.
 
Adebesi said:
The summer Scholes originally left, Fletcher was also well into his injury at that point: I was utterly convinced we HAD to buy a midfielder that summer. But we didnt. As I side earlier today, I think our midfield situation is less urgent than it was then. Still urgent, but less urgent. As long as Carrick carries on playing every week we will be fine.
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But that was 2 summers ago and United are exactly in the same position, except that the squad is 2 years older and Fergie has retired. Surely
the situation is even more urgent?
 
Probably the worst thing about this is if we were going to go for someone like Fellaini we could have just got Dembele for 15m last season. Guess new manager and everything but I don't think our targets will have changed that much.
 
Ash_G said:
Probably the worst thing about this is if we were going to go for someone like Fellaini we could have just got Dembele for 15m last season. Guess new manager and everything but I don't think our targets will have changed that much.
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I'd rate Fellaini above Dembele.
 
Adebesi said:
The summer Scholes originally left, Fletcher was also well into his injury at that point: I was utterly convinced we HAD to buy a midfielder that summer. But we didnt. As I said earlier today, I think our midfield situation is less urgent than it was then. Still urgent, but less urgent. As long as Carrick carries on playing every week we will be fine.
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But isn´t the bold one, if not even the biggest problem of United´s squad? The reliance on Carrick has reached a very dangerous point. To be completely honest, a club with the status and financial possibilities of Manchester United should not be in such a situation. If the plan is to go into a 50+ games season with two strong national rivals and ambitions in the CL and domestic cups without sufficent cover for your most important player, who is 32 years old and expected to play in any challenging match and stay without injuries or form weaknesses the whole time, then it is simply not good management. It is rolling dices and counting your lucky stars. A season like Carrick´s last one in terms of consistency and fitness should never be taken as a normality. One bad challenge in the countless games and United has one huge problem.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
I'd rate Fellaini above Dembele.
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Maybe as an overall player, as a central midfielder I've seen more impact from Dembele but there's very little difference between them imo, neither would be ideal as a first choice midfielder to bring in imo but either way don't think that Fellaini is worth that much more if any as a central midfielder than Dembele.
 
Before SAF retired he mentioned that we had our transfer targets in place. Maybe it would have been best for us to pursue those targets which would leave Moyes and his scouts a year to find players.

Some have mentioned that we have waited til Fellaini's release clause had expired and Martinez confirmed that it did expire on the 31st of July so why did we wait 19 days to put the first bid in?
 
Ash_G said:
Maybe as an overall player, as a central midfielder I've seen more impact from Dembele but there's very little difference between them imo, neither would be ideal as a first choice midfielder to bring in imo but either way don't think that Fellaini is worth that much more if any as a central midfielder than Dembele.
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Demeble always strikes me as a bit of a headless chicken to be honest... which is alright when you're playing for Fulham/Spurs, but for us I think we require a midfielder with more discipline, something which Fellaini has demonstrated whilst at Everton.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Demeble always strikes me as a bit of a headless chicken to be honest... which is alright when you're playing for Fulham/Spurs, but for us I think we require a midfielder with more discipline, something which Fellaini has demonstrated whilst at Everton.
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Well I do agree that Dembele does get overrated but I still don't see that there's much difference between them and I think as an actual player from a deeper position Dembele might have slightly more to his game, maybe it would be different in Fellaini hadn't spent the last two years as a number 10 and refined his skills in a deeper role, but like I said I really don't see a whole lot of difference, especially when you factor in if Fellaini came and is playing next to Carrick which you would expect most of the time. In that case not sure his attacking style would be as beneficial as dembele's as he would be further back so wouldn't be able to use his aerial ability as much.
 
Adebesi said:
The summer Scholes originally left, Fletcher was also well into his injury at that point: I was utterly convinced we HAD to buy a midfielder that summer. But we didnt. As I said earlier today, I think our midfield situation is less urgent than it was then. Still urgent, but less urgent. As long as Carrick carries on playing every week we will be fine.
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I think the club still believed Anderson and Cleverley were the future, Cleverley had just come back from Wigan and Anderson started the season well. At this point it's pretty obvious Anderson has no future here and Cleverley will be a solid squad player at best.
I don't know, it's like we're looking for a perfect central midfielder and those are a rarity and those that are will be unavailable to sign. When did the club lose all its bollocks regarding central midfielders? There are plenty of them out there with promise who have the attributes that we require, Spurs have snapped up three of them in the last year, yet we sit around like gimps chasing players that we're never going to get and making retarded bids for a player we could have signed at a cut fee price three weeks ago.
 
Leroy The Red said:
I think the club still believed Anderson and Cleverley were the future, Cleverley had just come back from Wigan and Anderson started the season well. At this point it's pretty obvious Anderson has no future here and Cleverley will be a solid squad player at best.
I don't know, it's like we're looking for a perfect central midfielder and those are a rarity and those that are will be unavailable to sign. When did the club lose all its bollocks regarding central midfielders? There are plenty of them out there with promise who have the attributes that we require, Spurs have snapped up three of them in the last year, yet we sit around like gimps chasing players that we're never going to get and making retarded bids for a player we could have signed at a cut fee price three weeks ago.
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I disagree that solid squad player is the best Cleverley can hope for. Neither do I see much reason to have a different view of Anderson now versus two summers ago, I had little confidence in his ability to get it together then, as I do now.

Difference is we now have Jones, Cleverley has some first team experience, and Powell is close to being where Cleverley was then - ie prospect capable of filling in in emergencies. As I said, it's not great, but if Carrick was to be out for a month I think we're better equipped to deal with it now than we were then.
 
Us and Arsenal appear to be in competition with each other to see who can look the most clueless in the market. Pretty close at the moment.
 
Fergie's Man said:
There would be loads in here, critical, if we had offered more for the pair. This is a lose, lose year for most of you pessimists, not matter what the club do.
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I loled. Between a stupid low bid (25 mil for Fabregas) and a stupid high bid (lets say 70) there is something.called fair.market value. IMO most.on here would love United to make such bids.
 
Adebesi said:
As long as Carrick carries on playing every week we will be fine.
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I was at the gym earlier, and from a distance saw the yellow bar crossing the bottom of the screen on Sky Sports News - it looked like it was saying "Michael Carrick..." and I nearly had a heart-attack (well, I nearly dropped my Powerade bottle) thinking he'd picked-up an injury or something. Turns out it wasn't Carrick, but some cricketer that who had been picked for something or other, but damn that was scary.

Fellaini might not be a dream signing, or someone who will improve the first eleven, or even someone likely to get through a Champions League season without a suspension, but we need some alternative/back-up to Carrick. If for whatever reason Fellaini is our only option, then sign him.
 
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