United in this Summer transfer window
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1) I don't think he did, but I wouldn't pay attention to any of it, it's basically all the same regardless of how they paint it. 2) Probably not, but it really isn't significant. We're giving far too much attention to little things happening and blowing them out of proportion ourselves and then acting surprised when nothing happens.
I accept the secrecy element to our dealings has gone, although all clubs seems to be struggling with it, I'm not sure if there's been a deal this summer where journos haven't known about it prior to it happening.
For me, a successful transfer "record" for Moyes would be to bring Rooney back to earth and proud to wear the red shirt. Anything on top of that would be gravy.
Zaha got wrapped up some time ago, but let's not forget that he's a new addition to the squad and he's hit the ground running fantastically. I'm going out on a limb here but Zaha may prove to be a sensational acquisition and may make us grateful Perez and not us spent the 85m or whatever he's going to spend for Bale.
If we can't pull off a Fabregas/Modric/Gundogan signing, then so be it. Like every other caftard, the last thing we'd want a signing for the sake of a signing. We're a bit thin in midfield if we held onto Roo there's a way to deploy Kagawa and Rooney as feeders for RvP and scorers in their own right. Cleverley and Januzaj to back them up wouldn't be so horrible. But yes, we all want to see Fabregas or a like mid to come in.
Zaha got wrapped up some time ago, but let's not forget that he's a new addition to the squad and he's hit the ground running fantastically. I'm going out on a limb here but Zaha may prove to be a sensational acquisition and may make us grateful Perez and not us spent the 85m or whatever he's going to spend for Bale.
If we can't pull off a Fabregas/Modric/Gundogan signing, then so be it. Like every other caftard, the last thing we'd want a signing for the sake of a signing. We're a bit thin in midfield if we held onto Roo there's a way to deploy Kagawa and Rooney as feeders for RvP and scorers in their own right. Cleverley and Januzaj to back them up wouldn't be so horrible. But yes, we all want to see Fabregas or a like mid to come in.
It would be easier to analyze Utds transfer policy this if we had either actually completed one or officially conceded defeat in an attempted one. Speculation on what has happened so far is a bit pointless as it could be going exactly to plan( Fabregas about to sign ) or could be an unmitigated mess( Fabregas a complete punt with no real alternatives lined up ) or some where in between ( one failed attempt, other targets identified and progress made).
I would love to think the former but who knows what the truth is at this stage. The unmitigated mess scenario is so unlikely it can virtually discounted so as others have said a bit of patience and we will have a new midfield and the Caf can analyze the shite out of who should play when and with who. I for one am looking forward to that....... I think.
I would love to think the former but who knows what the truth is at this stage. The unmitigated mess scenario is so unlikely it can virtually discounted so as others have said a bit of patience and we will have a new midfield and the Caf can analyze the shite out of who should play when and with who. I for one am looking forward to that....... I think.
Scattergun approach no?
Significance in terms of what? Briefing the media may be a small detail for you but I deem it unnecessary especially if a deal is not close to being completed. Perhaps it's contingent on who deems club briefings significant anyway. I would presume for a journalist, receiving information the club has briefed information may mean some sort of significance as it gives your story more credence. As a fan, it may not mean much since we read speculation every day. Nonetheless, it begs the question, is it a productive measure to brief you've made a bid or readily explain the Chief exec's business for leaving a tour if nothing happens? You would think there is a reason clubs attempt to keep their negotiations private.
Back to the bolded part, the second part of your statement reads as an additional concession to the notion that we are just like every other club now in terms of dealing with transfers. Not the worst realisation in the world however. Some have further expanded on this notion to state it is a partial sign of how our club have fallen ever since Fergie's and Gill's exits. Unfortunately, it is more difficult to convey a nuanced tone on cyberspace.
I see your point about too much being made of what has transpired currently. However, I attempted to look at these small details from an alternative perspective. The sooner the football starts, the better. The bigger picture is how we will perform this coming season. What we are discussing now is in some ways, academic.
lazy journalism at its laziest
imagine the fun they would have with RAWK
imagine the fun they would have with RAWK
For the Caf to be seen as in some way representative of wider opinion should be viewed as compliment,even if it's not the Telegraph or Guardian doing the quoting.
I don't know if there is correlation between the instances in which the site is referenced in the media and hits although it can't hurt. e-launch the podcast perhaps.
I don't know if there is correlation between the instances in which the site is referenced in the media and hits although it can't hurt. e-launch the podcast perhaps.
Ruud you won't get gravy on your pudding. Rooney isn't crazy or has his head in the clouds, he isn't happy any more at United. It isn't about pride in the shirt it's about pride in himself. He's a shell of his former self and will remain so until he transfers to another football club.
Zaha may prove to be sensational, but he has played a handful of pre-season games my friend. Why signing this boy would make us gratetful Real Madrid are spending £85 million on Bale doesn't make sense to me. Signing Bale would be absolutely fantastic, he is a stunning player who has proved thus and would be stunning for Manchester United. I for one don't quantify signings in such a manner as how you describe.
The last paragraph is a good old handsome dollop of wishful thinking. The same wishful thinking we have all indulged in during the last 3-4 years. The one with all the little pieces that don't quite fit together. The square pegs in those pesky round holes. Grrrggh.
What a shit summer, Fergie left, no players signed, it's a shame.
Is it true Marco Reus tweeted that he follows United?
not exactly a player in a position we're in need of but he (along with Gundogan) is one player from Dortmund I'd love to see put on a United shirt.
then again, like so many others, I don't see it happening, would be a hell of a surprise though.
OMG. They fecking quote me.....
I'm getting pretty pissed off at the lack of a midfield signing tbh. It would have been nice to have it sorted so they had time to gel with the squad but surely we will sign at least one midfielder before the end of the window b
I like how they quoted a post that says muppet
The pissing Daily Star quoting the Caf!I had to click the link to be sure it wasn't a joke
Arguably the worst of the horrendous sewer that is the British tabloid media, resorting to quoting an internet forum in an article published under their publication's banner - how utterly, utterly embarrassing
Think it was the times that quoted me before!
I have a radical idea: let's sign no one this window, and come January there'll be a ton of unhappy top quality midfielders that we can snap up from the likes of R.Madrid, Bayern, etc
"Happy" is a transitory state of mind. Rooney wasn't happy during that crazy October in 2011(?) but somehow he got sorted out. He may indeed leave because he's "angry and confused", but I wouldn't rule out the possbility of him staying, if for no other reason that the contract still has two more years on it and the cards are in the hands of United management, not Wayne Rooney and agent, Stretford. We can sell him if it suits our interests or not if it doesn't. Chelsea have put in an insulting offer; if they're serious they'll have to do much, much better. We shall see. And if he does leave us (I wouldn't mind being done with him, to be honest.) we're going to get a pound of flesh out of either Chelsea or Real, the only two clubs I can see who might have an interest in him AND who can afford him. I'd take Mata in a straight swap, no fukking around; and I'd take Modric in a straight swap, no fukking around -- but we're since we're talking about Wayne Rooney, we might as well demand some cash for good measure.
Signing Bale would be fantastic, no question about it. We've seen him destroy defenders, including our own, over the last few seasons. I still wonder why we didn't go in for him when the chance was there to do so. In any sane world Bale > Zaha today. But it's not likely we would ever spend the cash that Levy would demand from us, even if somehow Bale told the world that he dreamed of playing for United when he was a little boy. What I'm saying is that we just don't yet know how good Zaha can be. Based on what little we have seen over the last month and last season, Zaha has the potential to reach the level I would not rule out the possibility Zaha can be better than Bale. Wishful thinking? Of course it is, but it's not unrealistic to think, based on what we've seen so far, that Zaha could actually get there.
So if you were to ask, would you rather have Bale or Zaha today I'd take Bale. An easy call. If you asked whether I'd be willing to spend 85m on Bale now or 14m on Zaha now, I'd spend the 85m on Bale now -- after all, it's not my money. But if you asked me whether Zaha COULD develop into an equally powerful offensive force as Bale, I'd say yes. Whether he will or not remains to be seen, but what also remains to be seen is whether Bale just had a hot year for a club which couldn't make the CL or whether he'll maintain this form for the next 5 seasons. Zaha is an incredible physical specimen and he's got gobs of talent. What he lacks is the experience Bale had going into the beginning of the 12/13 season (when Bale was pretty much the same age Zaha is now), but he'll get experience this season. Expect to be blown away by this kid.
Rooney hasn't been truly satisfied at United since the days of 2009. He needs a transfer and I think he will get it. Zaha has talent but his key issue will be turning the talent into consistent productivity, as Bale has done, without losing his natural exuberance. I wouldn't say he is an incredible specimen Ruud that's slightly OTT for me. He is big and strong to look at, with good balance, but not on Bale's level when it comes to physical performance. Incredible is the Welshmans stats in THAT game at White Hart Lane where he ended Maicon's top level career. If you haven't seen them I implore you to look....some surpass the performance of seasoned Olympic athletes FFS.
I hope you and plenty of others are right about Zaha...but I think he is already being frustratingly overhyped.
I hope you and plenty of others are right about Zaha...but I think he is already being frustratingly overhyped.
I agree with your comments about Zaha. He's clearly a talented footballer and I think he'll become a very good winger over time hopefully, but he remains unproven in the Premier League and I don't think he'll be able to instantly transform his Championship form to the Premier League. He'll get a lot of playing time next season but I doubt he'll simply stroll in and displace our current wingers with ease.
Bale's performance v Inter was incredible and unforgettable. Legendary perhaps. He made it look so deliciously easy...and it was against a beast of a defender and he did it again and again and again. Rod Stewart, no Welshmen he, probably cried watching that magnificent display.
So I'm on board with the "Bale is God" or whatever thesis. At the time, when Bale was up for sale by Southampton, I was kicking my laptop (figuratively, that is) wondering why the hell did we not go in with a massive bid for him? His potential was obvious to all who could see, even out here 6,000 miles away.
But you can't not take notice of the physical gifts that Wilfried Zaha has. It's hard to put into words, but he's more than "big and strong to look at". Bebe is "big and strong to look at" too but he just never had the speed and ability on the ball that Zaha indisputably has. Whether Zaha can be productive against quality opposition remains to be seen -- only time will tell.
What I see happenning is that Zaha will have to sit on the bench for the first month or so (missing Chelsea and City) and come on in the second half starting soon thereafter and when he does his speed will far too much for ordinary prem defenders to handle him. What we don't know yet is whether Zaha can hit the kinds of shots from the top of the box you would expect of quality wingers -- think Nani in his first half dozens starts for United long ago or Ashley Young v Arsenal. I don't expect him to ever hit 25m shots that Bale hits, but I expect him to produce the goods just outside and anywhere inside the box. He'll get his chances, he will score and we will know that United has another great winger in the making.
Well at present he's the only new arrival we got, so there's no harm in getting excited about the boy. I'm more inclined to go with Cheesy's prediction, but that's perhaps a natural skepticism on my part.
You know what Ruud, he's got the tools, and Rio has been impressed with his application, so here's hoping we got a gem. It will be exciting to see him develop, and probably frustrating all the same. I agree we won't see him much in the first month or two, but hopefully he can make a big contribution in his debut season.
I'm still classing him as a summer purchase, he is here for pre-season and it doesn't matter we bought him in January.
You know what Ruud, he's got the tools, and Rio has been impressed with his application, so here's hoping we got a gem. It will be exciting to see him develop, and probably frustrating all the same. I agree we won't see him much in the first month or two, but hopefully he can make a big contribution in his debut season.
I'm still classing him as a summer purchase, he is here for pre-season and it doesn't matter we bought him in January.
The Fabregas situation has always seemed like swimming upstream, but it's hard to imagine we'd have spent this much time trying to sign him unless Barca and Fabregas himself had given us encouragement behind the scenes.
If we don't get him I don't think we'll get anyone, I know people keep throwing Fellaini's name up but if we really wanted him surely it made more sense to pay the clause as soon as the window opened so he could get a pre-season in with the squad, rather than leave it to the last minute and make it obvious he's the booby prize.
If we don't get him I don't think we'll get anyone, I know people keep throwing Fellaini's name up but if we really wanted him surely it made more sense to pay the clause as soon as the window opened so he could get a pre-season in with the squad, rather than leave it to the last minute and make it obvious he's the booby prize.
I'm leaning towards us sticking with what we've got.
This is frustrating beyond belief! Just sign someone already!
I'd rather have Zaha and alot of money left over to strengthen key positions. You could sign two quality midfielders at £35m each and have Zaha... vs 1 Gareth Bale. No brainer in my book.
Zaha is also one of those players that from a coaching perspective it makes your mouth water, strong as an ox, pace to burn, ambidextrous and a good work ethic allied with confidence and a strong will to win... he's someone that can be moulded into a top talent.
My mate Dan can play CM, shall I give him a call?
Put an 'inho on the end...
My mate Dan can play CM, shall I give him a callinho?
Is he box-to-box?
But Real HAVE signed 2 quality midfielders AND are about to sign Gareth Bale. It's not an either/or situation, atleast it's not for Real. Zaha hopefully will turn out to be quality, but right now, we simply don't have the same pull as Real, neither the financial muscle, but if we had, we would be doing pretty much the same as they did.
Much better... In all seriousness, I don't know why people are so impatient? Sure its slightly disappointing nothing is wrapped up yet but I'm positive personally, first season in a while we seem to genuinely A) Accept our midfield deffiancy and now B) trying to go for WC players to make us stronger... whether they are here now or in 2 weeks is irrelevant for me... Thiago is a separate case and has no bearing on other transfers (As a lot seem to be citing the fact we didn't sign Thiago as some sort of suggestant that we won't sign other top CM's)..Does he actually want to join though, would he be prepared to make a statement? and we don't seem to do well at signing inho's?
Yes but they're Real Madrid. we need to get a grip of where we stand financially. We've never spent anywhere the same level as a Madrid, so we have to be alot more prudent in the way we go about our business.
I see your point, but if were to land Bale we'd have the luxury of developing Cleverley as an attacking midfielder. The thing about Bale is that he's a proven force of nature in the English prem, whereas Zaha is a speculative buy. But don't get me wrong...I do believe Zaha will become a special player but I'm not going to deny that that's speculation on my part.
As for the other 70m, that's exactly where we are now and we'll see if we can land Fabregas for the 40m or so it seems is the amount it would take to procure the Spaniard. The rest may pocketed for another day or spent on a younger player. I like Ross Barkley a lot but he's not getting much love here on the caf so I'm not going to beat that drum.
There's no completely wrong answer -- Bale for the 85m or Zaha for 14m and we spend the remaining 71m on quality midfielders. The 85m for Bale may shock the conscience to the point where such a sum is unconscionable for a single footballer not named Mess or Ronaldo. Zaha looks likes a massive steal at 14m and if we actually can land Fabregas we will have done very good business.
Oh goody.
Yes, but I'd say they have been more prudent than us in their dealings, although they are operating at a larger scale. Most of the players that they have on their books will probably still fetch the kind of money they bought them for, or even more, I don't think we can say the same for us.
What makes you think that serious thought hasn't gone into whether Zaha had the capability of being a top winger. We punt with amounts of £5m and under but not with the money paid for Zaha...
Anyway on to a rather more pressing point, why would a purchase of Bale suddenly mean Cleverley becomes a number 10?