United are "Genuinely interested" in signing Neymar
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That's where I got the idea from. If you need me to break it down further. You call us a dour club, signing for us is suicidal. You say players want to win, and they do that by signing for the best possible club, IE not United. So ya, that is exactly what you fecking said.
Dour football doesnt equate to dour club.
You then say that I said United will never win anything again. That's the one that had me in stiches. Said that staying at Barca would give him the best possible chance to win trophies. How your mind interpreted that to mean that Manchester United will NEVER win a trophy again is something only your mind can comprehend.
Wouldnt be bothered to find how it got to that conclusion.
Well United is not attractive currently, that's a given. If C1 is not around, it will be even harder. But it's a vicious circle that needs to be broken, United cannot wait to be successful to go for excellent players when you need them to be successful...
Imo , we need to be going for the top young talents just before they are snapped up by other top teams.
The guaranteed talents , like Rooney and Martial, then act quickly.
The top talents in the balon d'or top 10 are not gettable, but imagine that you are a top younger talent and see how much game time Martial is getting. Surely that would attract you.
I fully agree with you but we're not set up properly to get these talents (even though we bought Martial and Shaw)
Embolo. Tielemans. Get it done Woody!
If you were as big as you say you are...
Back in 2008 when we were the best team in Europe or even for the following 5 years when we were thereabouts a transfer like this would have been mildly possible but still very tough to conduct even if we had the will to spend £100m+ on a single player. Right now questions would have to be asked about the sanity of Neymar if he chose to leave this Barcelona side for this Man Utd team. There are 3-4 clubs he would consider before us if he were to leave Barcelona for tax reasons or whatever.
He's not coming here, nor is anyone who's both on his level and established as him (who doesn't have massive question marks) until we do something of note again.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/08/neymar-counts-fraud-corruption-barcelona-santos-dis
The Spanish authorities really arent assisting Barca in their transfer negotistions
The Spanish authorities really arent assisting Barca in their transfer negotistions
An honest question.
Why the feck would neymar wants to even consider us?
He's a winner, he wants to win something while getting paid the best salary living in barcelona speaking in his own language.
But we're Manchester United? Yeah. Big deal
Why the feck would neymar wants to even consider us?
He's a winner, he wants to win something while getting paid the best salary living in barcelona speaking in his own language.
But we're Manchester United? Yeah. Big deal
It's obvious - he wants to be the first Brazilian to be actually good for Manchester United.
I'm genuinely interested in banging Michelle Keegan... Quick, someone start a thread.
They've been invaded by Portugal. Haven't you heard?
Neymar clearly not happy at Barca:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-barcelona-says-former-sporting-a6838941.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-barcelona-says-former-sporting-a6838941.html
Anybody who uses very that many times is clearly hiding something!
Think Neymar will be in in time for the Stoke game
Well, in fairness, Zubi is no longer employed at the club but he's probably right
Na 3 verys is genuine in Spain. It's the passion of the Mediterranean, just like how the commentators do 'Gol gol gol gol gol gol gol!' after a goal.Anybody who uses very that many times is clearly hiding something!
Think Neymar will be in in time for the Stoke game
3 verys in England = You're lying.
1 very in Spain = You're lying.
Fact.
Money and golden boy status. Most famous player in the most famous club. It would do him better money-wise to make the move because he'd make a lot more money here commercially. Just look at Rooney and how big his brand is despite not having performed anywhere close to the top for more than 2 years.
This.
Target the next Martial (or the closest thing) rather than chasing (near) lost causes. If you can get your hands on a player like Griezmann who is not at a European elite club, then great. Otherwise I wouldn't love us focusing on the future superstars of the game.
I'd add that while I can imagine Neymar loves living & playing at Barcelona, Catalan or Spanish is not his own language
Sure, but only if that was by far the most important factor in the decision. The players you play with, and the trophies you can win is far more important for footballers. Imagine going from playing with Messi, Suarez and Iniesta, to the relative nonsense we have.
I don't think it's by far more important. There's no reason why he wouldn't believe that joining United with all this money wouldn't result in trophies. It's not like his mates over in Madrid are swimming in medals despite their status.
Imaging having a massive ego and being idolized in your country to move abroad and be not top dog anymore, then start performing at a world class level but you're not the best or even the 2nd best because your team bought another guy who is supposed to score more goals than you. You don't even know if he really likes his team mates, if he's actually friends with some of them.
I'm not saying that he'll join or anything but there are certainly a lot of possible reasons why Neymar would join any of the top teams in England. The simplest one in my mind is that he'll get a bigger paycheck and become a much bigger brand on his own as the league is a lot bigger world wide than La Liga.
No one leaves the big 2 in Spain for England at their very pomp.
Not happened once.
Neymar has far bigger goals than growing his brand, which is already massive and increasing. There's the small matter of winning the world cup with Brazil and healing the wounds of the most painful world cup in Brazil's history since 1950, just like Pele did post the Maracanazo . That would immortalize him.
We arent signing Neymar, I'd bet my worldly possesions on that (Sadly, I dont have much)
Cough... It's barcelona fc we're talking about, not fulham or botafogo
Do they still have tax incentives there for footballers?
He is their golden boy there, winning leagues for fun, he might end up with 10 league title when he retires. Why would he pick us?
Its not the fact he would be unhappy its the fact his assets are frozen and the Spanish authorities refuse to assist Neymar in his tax methods moving forward. His camp are worried that this could happen again and they aren't sure how to rectify it.
So happy bla bla bla yet this summer will be the last summer tbey will get big money for him.
So happy bla bla bla yet this summer will be the last summer tbey will get big money for him.
They won't unfreeze his assets just because he leaves the country.
They also cant prosecute him again in the future if he leaves Spain. Thats what they're worried about.
He doesn't get off the hook if he leaves Spain though, if he stays in Spain and follows the tax rules in future, they won't have any reason to prosecute him. Coming to England won't make any difference to the existing case, we are all in the EU (for the time being).
I don't think United are as popular as you might think they are amongst young South Americans. Most Latin players seem to grow up dreaming of playing for Madrid and Barcelona.
Isn't the point that its incredibly murky how you actually do this in Spain and the Spanish Tax Authorities have indicated they don't plan to help him in the future either.
Considering the sentence he will get will likely be a suspended one like Macherano's, there is probably a very real fear that his accountants might end up making the same mistake again and in that case he will be thrown into jail let alone all the legal fees he'll face once again.
It would be much easier in England with our black and white tax rates...
There is no set tax method he can follow and the Spanish authorites wont lift a finger in terms of advising him on the best way to go about it.
Im pretty sure they thought they were within the rules before they were prosecuted the first time. This isnt a matter of opinion. Neymars father himself has said this is holding up the deal.
Also the sheer amount of top level players in Spain chased by the tax men v players in England show it isnt the same mindset or process. He and Messi's deal takes Barca over the fair play limit and the self imposed clubs limit, so i can see Suarez moving without a new deal in a few years and building most of the rest of the team from their acadamy ... If they are good enough or not.
No Pogba or Fellani for them
There is a set method but it involves paying the standard rate of Spanish income tax (in excess of 50% for someone on his kind of money) on his global earnings. Like a lot of other rich people he hopes there's a magic trick he can use to avoid paying that much tax. There's no way he can avoid Spanish income tax on the bulk of his main Barcelona salary, which is why he'll negotiate that portion of his contract with them net of tax, rather than gross.
It's his sponsorship, advertising and other image rights earnings that he'll want to funnel via some kind of company based in a lower tax economy. The UK offers a thing called "non-domiciled" status to foreign residents so they don't pay UK tax on global income, only on their UK income, this makes the system a lot easier. There isn't really a Spanish equivalent of that. The Spanish tax authorities won't guarantee that his sponsorship earnings can be paid directly to his company in Brazil and won't attract Spanish tax, because they aren't going to pre-approve a move they consider to be a method of avoiding tax.
Who cares what young S-Americans think. You think Neymar is oblivious to how the market is?
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