United are "Genuinely interested" in signing Neymar

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If he leaves a club where he's playing alongside the two most deadly strikers in the world, and is part of the most fecked up top three in the history of football, he's clearly insane. For me it's getting embarrassing that we're chasing all these world beaters who're already established in the top four clubs in Europe. It's time to have a look at the level below, it's (mostly) working well for clubs like Arsenal and Tottenham.

Is it working well or is that exactly what they are? Clubs that are the level below.

Buy too many players of that caliber and guess what we are...that level and stuck there.

That said, we ain't getting Neymar. We do need to aim high though, just not quite that high maybe. We need some established top tier players to fill in some of the remaining gaps, IMO.
 
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I think Pep's hiring puts an end to the Neymar to United speculation since it's City would be the more likely destination were he to leave
 
I think Pep's hiring puts an end to the Neymar to United speculation since it's City would be the more likely destination were he to leave

Why?

I don't think Neymar will leave Barca or that he's likely to end up in England even if he does. But why do you think Guardiola going to City changes anything?

As far as i know he never even played for Pep.
 
I think Pep's hiring puts an end to the Neymar to United speculation since it's City would be the more likely destination were he to leave
Did Neymar ever say it's his dream to be coached by Pep?
 
Why?

I don't think Neymar will leave Barca or that he's likely to end up in England even if he does. But why do you think Guardiola going to City changes anything?

As far as i know he never even played for Pep.
I think he's trying to say all mercenaries stick together, or something.
 
Anyway by the time Neymar leaves Barca Guardiola will be managing someone else most likely, he seems to be on a tour of europes top clubs (and City). Never staying anywhere more than 3 years.

Next stop france and/or Italy i reckon, before taking over Barca again in 10 years.
 
Is it working well or is that exactly what they are? Clubs that are the level below.

Buy too many players of that caliber and guess what we are...that level and stuck there.

That said, we ain't getting Neymar. We do need to aim high though, just not quite that high maybe. We need some established top tier players to fill in some of the remaining gaps, IMO.
Well, my point is that we might want to stop chasing established world beaters like Neymar and Ramos who're not likely to leave, and work smarter.

In recent years players like Sanchez, Özil, Hazard, David Silva, Kompany, De Bruyne, Vidal etc. have all been available from decent enough European clubs. I think we might want to stop messing around trying to sign players from Real, Barca, Bayern etc. and look for the targets who're ready to take that step up. AdM is the obvious exception here.
 
I think Pep's hiring puts an end to the Neymar to United speculation since it's City would be the more likely destination were he to leave

Agreed. If he goes anywhere it will obviously be City. They have the money to make it happen.
 
Well, my point is that we might want to stop chasing established world beaters like Neymar and Ramos who're not likely to leave, and work smarter.

In recent years players like Sanchez, Özil, Hazard, David Silva, Kompany, De Bruyne, Vidal etc. have all been available from decent enough European clubs. I think we might want to stop messing around trying to sign players from Real, Barca, Bayern etc. and look for the targets who're ready to take that step up. AdM is the obvious exception here.

Well I can definitely agree with that. I'd class those as top tier players with Neymar et al being in the super special crazy good tier.

I think we have our share of good 'filler' players (Blind types) as well as excellent prospects (Depay/Martial types) and youth (those young guys). I think we need full on quality in the rest of the gaps.
 
Agreed. If he goes anywhere it will obviously be City. They have the money to make it happen.
Dont think its that simple. Pep advised Bayern against signing him for example.
City are a few years away from signing the likes of Neymar simply because they arent yet a world power.
Pep wanted Sterling and Di Maria last summer for example but was turned down and unearthed Costa. Pep isnt the be all and end all here.
His transfer record had always been questioned. Im curious to see how he builds a squad at City and if it takes him out of his comfort zone.
 
I think after England it'll be a NT before returning to Barcelona

Yeah maybe be but either way he won't be managing City for too long 3 years probably. Less if he doesn't win the league in his first 2 years.
 
Yeah maybe be but either way he won't be managing City for too long 3 years probably. Less if he doesn't win the league in his first 2 years.

Pep getting fired by Txiki :lol:

Let the bitterness go. He'll see out his contract, at a minimum. Could he go longer than 3 years? It's the one job I think he could stay longer at but still seems a bit of a longshot. What's certain is that he won't be getting fired
 
Dont think its that simple. Pep advised Bayern against signing him for example.
City are a few years away from signing the likes of Neymar simply because they arent yet a world power.
Pep wanted Sterling and Di Maria last summer for example but was turned down and unearthed Costa. Pep isnt the be all and end all here.
His transfer record had always been questioned. Im curious to see how he builds a squad at City and if it takes him out of his comfort zone.
Are United a world power in the transfer market, though? I think the signing of Guardiola almost pushes City into world power territory when it comes specifically to attracting the best talent. I think we're the most attractive proposition in the PL right now, for example. Even more so if you fail to get into the CL again.
 
Dont think its that simple. Pep advised Bayern against signing him for example.
City are a few years away from signing the likes of Neymar simply because they arent yet a world power.
Pep wanted Sterling and Di Maria last summer for example but was turned down and unearthed Costa. Pep isnt the be all and end all here.
His transfer record had always been questioned. Im curious to see how he builds a squad at City and if it takes him out of his comfort zone.

You keep posting this sort of uninformed rubbish and I don't know why. It was the complete opposite. Pep specifically asked for Neymar to be signed, even talked personally with Neymar while he was at Santos but Bayern have this "no big money signings from South American leagues" policy so they bought Götze instead. Straight out of Hoeneß' own mouth.

http://www.marca.com/2013/05/29/en/football/international_football/1369840972.html
 
Pep getting fired by Txiki :lol:

Let the bitterness go. He'll see out his contract, at a minimum. Could he go longer than 3 years? It's the one job I think he could stay longer at but still seems a bit of a longshot. What's certain is that he won't be getting fired

There is nothing certain. Nobody would have thought that Chelsea would have fired Jose by January when they were lifting the title in May.

Expectations are through the roof now at City just because they hired Pep while they don't have the squad for it yet. He should do well, but no, nothing is certain in football. Nothing.
 
Are United a world power in the transfer market, though? I think the signing of Guardiola almost pushes City into world power territory when it comes specifically to attracting the best talent. I think we're the most attractive proposition in the PL right now, for example. Even more so if you fail to get into the CL again.
Nobody really goes out and signs the best player in the world though. Its not as if Madrid etc are signing each others players and England were missing out.
Who was the last world class player to move from top club to top club? Ronaldo?
Its all about the players who are showing world class form for less than elite clubs. Suarez from Liverpool to Barca, KDB to City, Bale to Madrid etc.
We signed Shaw v Chelsea. Depay v PSG. Martial v the world (apparently! ) Morgan v Arsenal. We have signed Arsenal and Chelseas reiging players of the year in the last few seasons. Our pull is as strong as it needs to be.
Our only downfall is not being successful in our persuit of Muller / Neymar etc but as I said no top club really attemps those signings in the modern climate.
City for example have all the money coupled with Uniteds regression yet you still rely on the same players you have had 4 years ago.
In all honesty when you were taken over 6 years ago didnt you think you would have a better side in 2016 than you have now? That you would have more world class players and performing better than you have been in the league over the last two seasons?
Pep isnt the answer to all this. Is there even a big money Pep signing that has worked out? I remember reading he doesnt like big money signings so how this will work out for this big name City narrative will be interesting to watch.
 
Dont think its that simple. Pep advised Bayern against signing him for example.
City are a few years away from signing the likes of Neymar simply because they arent yet a world power.
Pep wanted Sterling and Di Maria last summer for example but was turned down and unearthed Costa. Pep isnt the be all and end all here.
His transfer record had always been questioned. Im curious to see how he builds a squad at City and if it takes him out of his comfort zone.

As someone already mentioned it was the complete opposite of what you're saying with Neymar, overspending ridiculous amounts on overhyped Englishmen isn't Bayern's style at all, so I assume the Sterling one was just another fabrication from English media.
As far as I remember Pep also explicitly gave the credit for discovering Costa (and Coman, Kimmich) to Reschke.
 
As someone already mentioned it was the complete opposite of what you're saying with Neymar, overspending ridiculous amounts on overhyped Englishmen isn't Bayern's style at all, so I assume that one was just another fabrication from English media.
As far as I remember Pep also explicitly gave the credit for discovering Costa (and Coman, Kimmich) to Reschke.
Na it was me mis-remembering. I cant blame the media for that one :(
 
There is nothing certain. Nobody would have thought that Chelsea would have fired Jose by January when they were lifting the title in May.

One creates, the other tears down - apples & oranges


Expectations are through the roof now at City just because they hired Pep while they don't have the squad for it yet. He should do well, but no, nothing is certain in football. Nothing.

I guaranteed only that he wouldn't get fired, the football will be better than anything you've ever seen from City - and that is certain
 
Pep getting fired by Txiki :lol:

Let the bitterness go. He'll see out his contract, at a minimum. Could he go longer than 3 years? It's the one job I think he could stay longer at but still seems a bit of a longshot. What's certain is that he won't be getting fired

Bitterness? What the feck are you talking about, how did you derive i was bitter about anything from that post seriously?

Pep was at Barca for 3-4 years, same with Bayern 3 years. So i would say it's very likely he will be at City for the same length of time if everything goes well.

In football anyone can get sacked even Guardiola, it will happen one day. City sacked Mancini a year after winning the league and there was talk of them sacking Pellegrini just a year after winning the double.

Chelsea sacked both Mourinho and Ancelotti less than a year after winning the double. If Guardiola doesn't win the league or CL in his first two years he will also be sacked simple as that, and theres feck all Txiki or whatever his name is could do about it. The owners make the decisions at these clubs not hired suits.
 
He'll stay in Barcelona for a long time. If he goes anywhere it would be City. They would pay that amount to help them get known outside Stockport.
 
Dont think its that simple. Pep advised Bayern against signing him for example.
City are a few years away from signing the likes of Neymar simply because they arent yet a world power.
Pep wanted Sterling and Di Maria last summer for example but was turned down and unearthed Costa. Pep isnt the be all and end all here.
His transfer record had always been questioned. Im curious to see how he builds a squad at City and if it takes him out of his comfort zone.

I don't think Neymar is going anywhere. However, if he was I think City would be comfortable favorites.

I don't know about this "world power" stuff but City most certainly can sign players from the very top shelf. More so than anyone else in England, that's for sure. If we had a decent team, it might be different but we are miles off right now.
 
Well, my point is that we might want to stop chasing established world beaters like Neymar and Ramos who're not likely to leave, and work smarter.

In recent years players like Sanchez, Özil, Hazard, David Silva, Kompany, De Bruyne, Vidal etc. have all been available from decent enough European clubs. I think we might want to stop messing around trying to sign players from Real, Barca, Bayern etc. and look for the targets who're ready to take that step up. AdM is the obvious exception here.
Makes too much sense for our Woody.

It seems we are desperately searching for a superstar for marketing purposes, when the most marketable superstars in the last two decades have been two that we've groomed from young talents. We can do it again.
 
Nobody really goes out and signs the best player in the world though. Its not as if Madrid etc are signing each others players and England were missing out.
Who was the last world class player to move from top club to top club? Ronaldo?
Its all about the players who are showing world class form for less than elite clubs. Suarez from Liverpool to Barca, KDB to City, Bale to Madrid etc.
We signed Shaw v Chelsea. Depay v PSG. Martial v the world (apparently! ) Morgan v Arsenal. We have signed Arsenal and Chelseas reiging players of the year in the last few seasons. Our pull is as strong as it needs to be.
Our only downfall is not being successful in our persuit of Muller / Neymar etc but as I said no top club really attemps those signings in the modern climate.
City for example have all the money coupled with Uniteds regression yet you still rely on the same players you have had 4 years ago.
In all honesty when you were taken over 6 years ago didnt you think you would have a better side in 2016 than you have now? That you would have more world class players and performing better than you have been in the league over the last two seasons?
Pep isnt the answer to all this. Is there even a big money Pep signing that has worked out? I remember reading he doesnt like big money signings so how this will work out for this big name City narrative will be interesting to watch.

Great post Cyberman. So true.
 
Bitterness? What the feck are you talking about, how did you derive i was bitter about anything from that post seriously?

Pep was at Barca for 3-4 years, same with Bayern 3 years. So i would say it's very likely he will be at City for the same length of time if everything goes well.

In football anyone can get sacked even Guardiola, it will happen one day. City sacked Mancini a year after winning the league and there was talk of them sacking Pellegrini just a year after winning the double.

Chelsea sacked both Mourinho and Ancelotti less than a year after winning the double. If Guardiola doesn't win the league or CL in his first two years he will also be sacked simple as that, and theres feck all Txiki or whatever his name is could do about it. The owners make the decisions at these clubs not hired suits.

Than perhaps I concluded poorly from your post but there's been a rash of bitterness in posts regarding Pep's decision due to it strengthening a direct local rival. You didn't cite innovators as coaches, you cited two coaches who are known for that but no, Pep won't be getting fired. There's no guarantee of a trophy cabinet like Barcelona but City will be transformed by Guardiola, as will English football
 
Sky are reporting an unnamed club has offed £145m for him, please dont let it be us, that much on one player is just too much.

It is. But if he came and was amazing, you'd forget about it after a month. We spent crazy money on Martial and by the time the ref blew the final whistle against Liverpool, nobody gave a flying feck anymore.
 
It has probably been already said but if Neymar is for sale, City will be massive favourites to land him, that's pretty obvious.
 
Sky are reporting an unnamed club has offed £145m for him, please dont let it be us, that much on one player is just too much.

It's the sort of money Real paid for Ronaldo and Bale and Barca paid for Suarez and Neymar first time around.

We need a player of his quality.
 
If there was even a chance we could get Neymar, I'd hope we wouldn't baulk at the fee, especially if the quoted figure is correct.

Can't see him leaving mind. I think this will blow over before long.
 
Sky are reporting an unnamed club has offed £145m for him, please dont let it be us, that much on one player is just too much.

It's not too much for Neymar. Ronaldo cost 80 million seven years ago at a similar age to Neymar and turned out to be a bargain. The prices have only increased exponentially since. In this case, however, it is blatant that we're being used to get a better contract for the player. I can see that sitting in my chair reading caf during work, I don't understand how Woodward does not see this year after year. Our name is being dragged through the mud as we seemingly get rejected by one high profile player after another, as if our results and performances aren't doing a good enough job for that already.
 
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