David Court
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Neymar to United?
Corbyn as PM is more likely
Corbyn as PM is more likely
He's not their golden boy and I've already given you plenty of reasons. Doesn't matter what club he's at, he's 23 and has already won everything there is to win with them. If he sees an opportunity to become the biggest football star in the world he'll take it.Cough... It's barcelona fc we're talking about, not fulham or botafogo
Do they still have tax incentives there for footballers?
He is their golden boy there, winning leagues for fun, he might end up with 10 league title when he retires. Why would he pick us?
It's irrelevant what has happened in the past as the PL is a different beast than it's ever been in terms of money and fame. Club football has nothing to do with the WC. He'll be starting anywhere regardless and he won't be dropped. He's not sitting in his job 24/7 thinking solely about a competition 2 years from now. That's something that amateur track & field athletes do.No one leaves the big 2 in Spain for England at their very pomp.
Not happened once.
Neymar has far bigger goals than growing his brand, which is already massive and increasing. There's the small matter of winning the world cup with Brazil and healing the wounds of the most painful world cup in Brazil's history since 1950, just like Pele did post the Maracanazo . That would immortalize him.
We arent signing Neymar, I'd bet my worldly possesions on that (Sadly, I dont have much)
Who cares what young S-Americans think. You think Neymar is oblivious to how the market is?
As our reputation diminishes and we slide out of view this whole post ferguson fiasco is going to culminate in Edward Woodward standing, smiling smugly as he is photographed alongside his mega star signing (whether Muller, messi, Neymar or bale), oblivious to the chaos that surrounds him and honestly believing that his work here is done. #watchthisspace
Neymar would be the biggest idiot in the world to leave Barca to come to this.
We need to build ourselves up with players at lower level clubs who are ready for a platform to take their game to the next level. We would be wasting our time trying to convince players who are already at the top level to come to this shitshow.
It is. Winning trophies and playing at the highest level is possible is almost always the main priority for footballers, especially when comparing elite-level clubs. Sure, if we spend we can win stuff in the future. But it will take a heck of a lot of work to get there. We're a team that play shambolic football, and we have to go from that, to the stuff of champions. Barcelona, on the other hand, are already the dominant football club of this generation. And he gets to play with footballers on a whole different level to ours. It's a complete no-brainer.I don't think it's by far more important. There's no reason why he wouldn't believe that joining United with all this money wouldn't result in trophies. It's not like his mates over in Madrid are swimming in medals despite their status.
It doesn't matter what I know/don't know about his personal relationship with Messi and Suarez. On the pitch, where it matters, they have something special together. A front three that will go down in history as one of the greatest, and who seem to really play as team-mates, and enjoy each others' success. It's rare to find.Imaging having a massive ego and being idolized in your country to move abroad and be not top dog anymore, then start performing at a world class level but you're not the best or even the 2nd best because your team bought another guy who is supposed to score more goals than you. You don't even know if he really likes his team mates, if he's actually friends with some of them.
Anything is possible in life and football. But the harsh truth is that moving from Barcelona to England will involve Neymar playing in a far inferior team, with far inferior set of players. To me, that seems like a really brainless thing to do, all in the name of his "brand". And I don't see it happening.I'm not saying that he'll join or anything but there are certainly a lot of possible reasons why Neymar would join any of the top teams in England. The simplest one in my mind is that he'll get a bigger paycheck and become a much bigger brand on his own as the league is a lot bigger world wide than La Liga.
I think that the idea that he would leave Barcelona to join United is absolutely absurd, certainly.
If he leaves a club where he's playing alongside the two most deadly strikers in the world, and is part of the most fecked up top three in the history of football, he's clearly insane. For me it's getting embarrassing that we're chasing all these world beaters who're already established in the top four clubs in Europe. It's time to have a look at the level below, it's (mostly) working well for clubs like Arsenal and Tottenham.
You're really overestimating how serious players take trophies. The vast majority of them never win anything and hardly know the feeling. Playing at the top matters yes but where they play varies greatly. Money matters a great deal and when you've reached the ego level of the likes of Neymar then image and legacy matters a lot. If he would sit in a meeting with people from another club explaining to him how big they could make him they'd sell it to him.It is. Winning trophies and playing at the highest level is possible is almost always the main priority for footballers, especially when comparing elite-level clubs. Sure, if we spend we can win stuff in the future. But it will take a heck of a lot of work to get there. We're a team that play shambolic football, and we have to go from that, to the stuff of champions. Barcelona, on the other hand, are already the dominant football club of this generation. And he gets to play with footballers on a whole different level to ours. It's a complete no-brainer.
His team-mates at Madrid aren't already at Barcelona winning everything in sight.
It doesn't matter what I know/don't know about his personal relationship with Messi and Suarez. On the pitch, where it matters, they have something special together. A front three that will go down in history as one of the greatest, and who seem to really play as team-mates, and enjoy each others' success. It's rare to find.
And the massive ego bit is negated by the above IMO. Besides, I think Neymar will take over the mantle from Messi as their main man soon, with the latter dropping deep and becoming the ultimate playmaking 10.
Anything is possible in life and football. But the harsh truth is that moving from Barcelona to England will involve Neymar playing in a far inferior team, with far inferior set of players. To me, that seems like a really brainless thing to do, all in the name of his "brand". And I don't see it happening.
At least Neymar has a buy out clause...I'm "genuinely interested" in having sex with Jennifer Lawrence
Because they can't. Neymar isn't in that category. He's going to go down as one of the best of his generation. He has got the feeling, and would obviously want a hell of a lot more of it. Not to mention the feeling of playing alongside the world's best.You're really overestimating how serious players take trophies. The vast majority of them never win anything and hardly know the feeling. Playing at the top matters yes but where they play varies greatly. Money matters a great deal and when you've reached the ego level of the likes of Neymar then image and legacy matters a lot. If he would sit in a meeting with people from another club explaining to him how big they could make him they'd sell it to him.
And United are a tiny club? I would think a good way to prove you're the best would be to win trophies at multiple places. And again towards the image side of things, as long as Messi is at Barcelona, Neymar will never get to the next level which you suggest that he wants. If he doesn't really care about that like Suarez (that's one guy who really doesn't care about image) he'll have no reason to leave. If he cares about money and/or image or even trophies besides La Liga he'll at least think about it when other teams show interest.Because they can't. Neymar isn't in that category. He's going to go down as one of the best of his generation. He has got the feeling, and would obviously want a hell of a lot more of it. Not to mention the feeling of playing alongside the world's best.
When we signed Cole for 7 million all those years ago, I thought that was a lot of money. I never knew the footie landscape would be so mad 2 decades on.French Paper Le10Sport saying we will meet the £140m release clause.
Dunno how reliable they are though.
Would be strange if we didn't table a bid imo. He is worth more than £140m, especially considering he's still only 23.
indeed - a bumper new contract at Barca is the most likely outcome (probably very similar in wages to messi?) with an astronomical buy out fee £500m?I see nothing wrong with United aspiring for his signature, provided he or his camp have shown interest in the idea. These days it's more & more difficult to identify what qualifies as tapping up anyway.
He played for a decade with Santos and has always seemed loyal, now nearly 3 years into his career at Barcelona. Still, I could envision a scenario where he leaves but hard time imagining United as his destination in their current state.
I believe he stays for the foreseeable future much to the chagrin of blancos and opposing fans the world over
Neymar wants more money and to have his tax issues go away, but he will not leave Barca for mufc. Barca and him will figure it out.
He, like Ramos and alves, will just use mufc to get money from their current clubs.... The only two people that don't seem to fully grasp this is Woodward and LVG.
You're really overestimating how serious players take trophies. The vast majority of them never win anything and hardly know the feeling. Playing at the top matters yes but where they play varies greatly. Money matters a great deal and when you've reached the ego level of the likes of Neymar then image and legacy matters a lot. If he would sit in a meeting with people from another club explaining to him how big they could make him they'd sell it to him.
Dreamers? Wtf are you talking about?Absolute rubbish. May I recommend withdrawing from the site and joining RAWK? They love dreamers like you over there.
I would question both of those points in pretty much any case these days to be honest. I'd also assume it's a matter of resources as well, how many players are we able to deal with at once? Are we losing out on players because we spend all summer chasing the likes of Ramos?There's nothing wrong shooting at the stars as long
A- they want to come to OT (no funny business like adm or JSV)
B- we have a solid plan b to revert to
Says he wants to play for Pep.
Strange comment.
You're really overestimating how serious players take trophies. The vast majority of them never win anything and hardly know the feeling. Playing at the top matters yes but where they play varies greatly. Money matters a great deal and when you've reached the ego level of the likes of Neymar then image and legacy matters a lot. If he would sit in a meeting with people from another club explaining to him how big they could make him they'd sell it to him.
Of course he's well set as is any player that plays for Barcelona. Money changes everything and you see it all the time. Players go to China, US and the Middle-East. In American sports you see the best players in their position join smaller teams because they can get more money. It really depends on the each player.Neymar doesn't have to choose. He can get trophies, money and build his image and legacy at Barcelona.
The only reason there's any question about it is because the contract renewal won't be cheap and Barca may have one eye on the bank account. It's believed that Messi's pay goes up to €39m per year (that's about €80m gross with Barca paying the tax) in July.
It's believed that Neymar is expecting to double his pay as part of his contract renewal, going to about €20m net (€40m gross cost to Barca). Now throw in Neymar's tax issues over image rights and maybe he'll be asking for even more. Barca are out chasing sponsors and they're hoping it won't be an issue. On the other hand some of those sponsors are also club owners and some of them are also friendly with Bayern.
Where does this leave us? Nowhere I suspect.
Says he wants to play for Pep.
Strange comment.
And your fans who think there's a chance of this.
I would question both of those points in pretty much any case these days to be honest. I'd also assume it's a matter of resources as well, how many players are we able to deal with at once? Are we losing out on players because we spend all summer chasing the likes of Ramos?
Entertaining read if not altogether spot on
Why isn't this locked.Seriously.