United are "Genuinely interested" in signing Neymar

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A couple of years ago Neymar wasn't playing for Barca

A couple of years ago Bale wasn't playing for Real

Ditto numerous other players we seem to try and get, who already play for teams doing much better than us.

We need to stop dicking around trying to get unobtainable players who play for better clubs, and actually sign the ones who haven't been snapped up yet.
 
Momochiru said:
Sanchez is much better suited to the PL - he is much tougher and more tenacious. Neymar will start falling down at the first tough challenge. I've seen him play enough times - in Spain the defenders give him a lot of space and he can show his talent, but at international level when he plays against more physical sides, he spends half of his time on the ground asking for free kicks. He is just not the type of player who can excel in the PL.
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You're absolutely wrong.
 
Momochiru said:
Sanchez is much better suited to the PL - he is much tougher and more tenacious. Neymar will start falling down at the first tough challenge. I've seen him play enough times - in Spain the defenders give him a lot of space and he can show his talent, but at international level when he plays against more physical sides, he spends half of his time on the ground asking for free kicks. He is just not the type of player who can excel in the PL.
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What a ridiculous post.
 
Momochiru said:
Sanchez is much better suited to the PL - he is much tougher and more tenacious. Neymar will start falling down at the first tough challenge. I've seen him play enough times - in Spain the defenders give him a lot of space and he can show his talent, but at international level when he plays against more physical sides, he spends half of his time on the ground asking for free kicks. He is just not the type of player who can excel in the PL.
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Bonkers post.....Neymar would be the best player in the PL by a huge distance. It's not happening though.
 
Momochiru said:
Sanchez is much better suited to the PL - he is much tougher and more tenacious. Neymar will start falling down at the first tough challenge. I've seen him play enough times - in Spain the defenders give him a lot of space and he can show his talent, but at international level when he plays against more physical sides, he spends half of his time on the ground asking for free kicks. He is just not the type of player who can excel in the PL.
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I doubt that. Neymar would succeed pretty much anywhere.
 
Momochiru said:
We will see.
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Neymar would piss all over this league. This myth that you need to be big and strong and that the defending is so good in this league needs to stop. Also he hasn't played in a top tier tournament since his form has been immense, (Didn't finish in the Copa America and despite being good, wasn't in the form he is in now, currently) not to add, in Brazil he had Fred up top. :lol:

Ronaldo and Messi aren't quite as good for their national teams too, guess they'd flop in the EPL as well.
 
Crustanoid said:
A couple of years ago Neymar wasn't playing for Barca

A couple of years ago Bale wasn't playing for Real

Ditto numerous other players we seem to try and get, who already play for teams doing much better than us.

We need to stop dicking around trying to get unobtainable players who play for better clubs, and actually sign the ones who haven't been snapped up yet.
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Tbf, Neymar was impossible to sign at Santos too. Real wanted him badly, but even they couldn't get him. We would have stood no chance.
 
Crustanoid said:
A couple of years ago Neymar wasn't playing for Barca

A couple of years ago Bale wasn't playing for Real

Ditto numerous other players we seem to try and get, who already play for teams doing much better than us.

We need to stop dicking around trying to get unobtainable players who play for better clubs, and actually sign the ones who haven't been snapped up yet.
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Agreed. It doesn't help us when you've got players like Mahrez turning into worldies overnight. I would hate to be a scout right now.
 
Womp said:
Neymar would piss all over this league. This myth that you need to be big and strong and that the defending is so good in this league needs to stop. Also he hasn't played in a top tier tournament since his form has been immense, (Didn't finish in the Copa America and despite being good, wasn't in the form he is in now, currently) not to add, in Brazil he had Fred up top. :lol:

Ronaldo and Messi aren't quite as good for their national teams too, guess they'd flop in the EPL as well.
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I didn't say you need to be big and strong. You need however to be tough, not fall over under the lightest challenge and not get intimidated easily. Ronaldo and Messi are very different players compared to Neymar in that regard, and they will do much better in England (in the case of Ronaldo, he has already done it). Ronaldo is much more physical than both of them; Messi very rarely falls under a challenge - he has amazing balance and just keeps going. Neymar is very different. I thing the PL defenders will soon find out that they could target him with strong, physical challenges and we will see the same treatment as ADM was getting. The result will be the same - Neymar would spend most of the time on the ground and get frustrated easily - probably he would feck off to PSG after a single season too.
 
Crustanoid said:
A couple of years ago Neymar wasn't playing for Barca

A couple of years ago Bale wasn't playing for Real

Ditto numerous other players we seem to try and get, who already play for teams doing much better than us.

We need to stop dicking around trying to get unobtainable players who play for better clubs, and actually sign the ones who haven't been snapped up yet.
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It's much easier to say that than it is in practice. We recognize the likes of Neymar and Bale because they're playing at that level; it's very difficult to pinpoint which players will reach that level. Even looking at the past few years look at the players who are most likely to be the 'next Messi and Ronaldo' (as much as I hate saying 'the next'...) - it's Neymar and Bale and look who snapped them up despite our interest in them. If players look to be capable of being best in the world caliber than undoubtedly Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern will be interested. Often even if they don't 'need' that player their quality is too good to miss the opportunity. Often we talk about players wanting to join Manchester United because of our reputation, other times we talk about our financial muscle but those clubs are our peers in both aspects. Even if we look at the players on the level under Messi and Ronaldo such as Sanchez and Hazard we were interested in them and ultimately choose other clubs over us.

Similarly the money involved in football now is an absolute minefield. If a club believes their player is young and capable of being one of the greatest then they now have comparable fees of Ronaldo, Suarez, Kaka etc. that they believe they should be entitled to. I'll use the example of Martial and his extravagant fee. From the club's perspective should they take the risk of paying upwards of £52m on an insanely talented youth with limited experience who could become one of the best players of the world but could just as easily be simply good or worse. When you're talking fees in the range of £50m plus you may as well pay the extra £20m or so and buy a far more experienced and already established player.

It's not exclusive to clubs fleecing us since our own fans now have that mind set. Look at Januzaj's explosion onto the scene and the fan base's excitement at his ability and potential and how fans were wanting figures in the range of £40m for him yet two years later he has regressed and is looking to be relatively disappointing. I'm not writing Januzaj off since obviously he is still incredibly young and has his whole career ahead of him but it's undeniable that his progression has been disappointing relative to his early appearances. Would you want to pay £40m for Januzaj if he currently played for say Athletico?

Even finances aside you make it sound like scouting is easy. Look at the sheer number of incredibly hyped youngsters or even established players that have disappointed. It isn't quite as simple as Kid A is playing amazing or Established B is excelling this year. The reason Neymar plays for Barcelona and Bale plays for Madrid is because they're good enough simply put.

I know I wrote all of this against what you said but in theory I agree with you completely but transfer like the ones you want are incredibly difficult to achieve and to break the cycle of Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern is currently the biggest task in football. Things like this are cyclical though, the top clubs stay at the top generally but for teams to be this far ahead of the curve squad wise come and go.
 
Momochiru said:
Sanchez is much better suited to the PL - he is much tougher and more tenacious. Neymar will start falling down at the first tough challenge. I've seen him play enough times - in Spain the defenders give him a lot of space and he can show his talent, but at international level when he plays against more physical sides, he spends half of his time on the ground asking for free kicks. He is just not the type of player who can excel in the PL.
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His record is better arguably better at International level than at club level. Neymar is one of the best players in the world by a distance.
 
Momochiru said:
I didn't say you need to be big and strong. You need however to be tough, not fall over under the lightest challenge and not get intimidated easily. Ronaldo and Messi are very different players compared to Neymar in that regard, and they will do much better in England (in the case of Ronaldo, he has already done it). Ronaldo is much more physical than both of them; Messi very rarely falls under a challenge - he has amazing balance and just keeps going. Neymar is very different. I thing the PL defenders will soon find out that they could target him with strong, physical challenges and we will see the same treatment as ADM was getting. The result will be the same - Neymar would spend most of the time on the ground and get frustrated easily - probably he would feck off to PSG after a single season too.
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Neymat would obviously adapt his game when playing in PL when he'll see referees aren't whistling for the same fouls in Spain. I don't think he'd stupid enough to not change his ways.
 
kouroux said:
Neymat would obviously adapt his game when playing in PL when he'll see referees aren't whistling for the same fouls in Spain. I don't think he'd stupid enough to not change his ways.
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Maybe... I just think there is a big risk with him. There is obviously a risk with every player, but I think with him the risk is high, I would rather have Bale, Ronaldo, Griezmann, Levandovski, Müller, or even Suarez ahead of Neymar.
 
Momochiru said:
Maybe... I just think there is a big risk with him. There is obviously a risk with every player, but I think with him the risk is high, I would rather have Bale, Ronaldo, Griezmann, Levandovski, Müller, or even Suarez ahead of Neymar.
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Ronaldo is arguably a bigger drama queen and cheat than Neymar and he was absolutely fantastic in England. In current form, he's better than all of them except maybe Suarez who is on par. How could you want Suarez more, with his antics and specially with what happened with Evra ???
 
Let us play FM:

-------DDG----------
Darmian-Smalling-Stone-Shaw
----Pogba----Verratti-----
Neymar----Ronaldo-----Messi
--------Lewandowski--------

Anything else and i stop support!


On topic: I think it is impossibl that he (Neymar) will be joining United now or anytime soon. Simply not attractive enaugh.
 
kouroux said:
Ronaldo is arguably a bigger drama queen and cheat than Neymar and he was absolutely fantastic in England. In current form, he's better than all of them except maybe Suarez who is on par. How could you want Suarez more, with his antics and specially with what happened with Evra ???
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I'm talking only from footballing point of view I would prefer Suarez - I know it's never going to happen, thou.
 
quackattack said:
Let us play FM:

-------DDG----------
Darmian-Smalling-Stone-Shaw
----Pogba----Verratti-----
Neymar----Ronaldo-----Messi
--------Lewandowski--------

Anything else and i stop support!


On topic: I think it is impossibl that he (Neymar) will be joining United now or anytime soon. Simply not attractive enaugh.
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Man, you'd never keep Darmian and Smalling in FM, add in Laporte and Carvajal.
 
Neymar is tough. He playacts as much as he can get away with but he doesn't shrink under pressure. There's a distinction between a Ronaldo type and a AdM type.
 
Crustanoid said:
A couple of years ago Neymar wasn't playing for Barca

A couple of years ago Bale wasn't playing for Real

Ditto numerous other players we seem to try and get, who already play for teams doing much better than us.

We need to stop dicking around trying to get unobtainable players who play for better clubs, and actually sign the ones who haven't been snapped up yet.
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we have a heck of a scouting set up, so you'd think the logic is in buying the players who are at a decent level, but have the potential to step up.
We can't keep pursuing players who have already hit the peak of the mountain. As tidy as the finances are, they won't stay that way if we do.
 
There'sOnlyOne said:
Just want to get it on record here that I am genuinely interested in a threesome with Kate Upton and Megan Fox, hope to seal the deal some time in the near future, will keep you guys updated on progress
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Working on things behind the scenes here lads, very hush hush, will hopefully have some big news in January
 
There will be a time in the not so distant future where no league on the planet will be able to compete with the EPL financially. It's already getting to the point where EPL teams are among the richest, but mark my words. As the popularity of football continues to grow at a break neck pace in the USA, the money coming from TV deals in the States is going to grow, and grow, and grow, and grow.

I don't think it's a stretch at all, to have "soccer" potentially rubbing shoulders with the NFL and the NBA in the US within 20 years, and the American networks will be dropping untold billions for the broadcasting rights. They will, in fact, pay more than the British networks do. No league can compete with that.
 
Nonsense put out by his people. As usual they want to get maximum money from Barca on this. And they send out feelers to other clubs as if he is going to get out.
 
quackattack said:
Let us play FM:

-------DDG----------
Darmian-Smalling-Stone-Shaw
----Pogba----Verratti-----
Neymar----Ronaldo-----Messi
--------Lewandowski--------

Anything else and i stop support!


On topic: I think it is impossibl that he (Neymar) will be joining United now or anytime soon. Simply not attractive enaugh.
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Good team apart from the back 4
 
Would he be cup tied for the Europa League? If so, just bag him in summer.
 
Nucks said:
There will be a time in the not so distant future where no league on the planet will be able to compete with the EPL financially. It's already getting to the point where EPL teams are among the richest, but mark my words. As the popularity of football continues to grow at a break neck pace in the USA, the money coming from TV deals in the States is going to grow, and grow, and grow, and grow.

I don't think it's a stretch at all, to have "soccer" potentially rubbing shoulders with the NFL and the NBA in the US within 20 years, and the American networks will be dropping untold billions for the broadcasting rights. They will, in fact, pay more than the British networks do. No league can compete with that.
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I doubt that. The UK is crazy with its pay TV culture. For example, as a comparison, Germany is a traditional football powerhouse, football is by far the most popular sport in the country and Germany is richer and bigger by population than England. Yet the domestic TV income pales in comparison. There are 12 million Sky customers in the UK (26.7 million households, so basically every 2nd household has a Sky subscription) vs. 4 million Sky Germany customers (40 million households, so only every 10th household has a Sky subscription) despite the fact that it only costs € 17 to get a Sky package right now in Germany compared to £ 47 (€ 64) in the UK. Pay TV culture doesn't exist even in a traditional, football-crazy country like Germany. Factor in that in the UK people are also willing to pay as much for a match ticket as German people are paying for a season ticket and its unsurprising that the Premier League is drowning in money. I don't see anyone competing with the the Premier League's domestic income, much less the US. Even if "soccer" becomes slightly more popular, it's a long way to compete with their traditional sports.
 
Cait Sith said:
I doubt that. The UK is crazy with its pay TV culture. For example, as a comparison, Germany is a traditional football powerhouse, football is by far the most popular sport in the country and Germany is richer and bigger by population than England. Yet the domestic TV income pales in comparison. There are 12 million Sky customers in the UK (26.7 million households, so basically every 2nd household has a Sky subscription) vs. 4 million Sky Germany customers (40 million households, so only every 10th household has a Sky subscription) despite the fact that it only costs € 17 to get a Sky package right now in Germany compared to £ 47 (€ 64) in the UK. Pay TV culture doesn't exist even in a traditional, football-crazy country like Germany. Factor in that in the UK people are also willing to pay as much for a match ticket as German people are paying for a season ticket and its unsurprising that the Premier League is drowning in money. I don't see anyone competing with the the Premier League's domestic income, much less the US. Even if "soccer" becomes slightly more popular, it's a long way to compete with their traditional sports.
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Wasn't that what he was saying? The EPL will generate more interest in the US, so American TV companies will start throwing money at the rights which will make the UK deals seem small.
 
There is no way on earth
Neymar will come to United anytime soon. We need to show that we can play attractively and that we're back on the winning pathway. If we get to that position then maybe it would be feasible but why would any player of that particular calibre want to come to us at the minute.

Surely the only reason would be money and we don't want players here for that reason alone.

I'd love it if we could get him and it would be a coup if he WANTED to come for more than just money. In believe that he'd continue to show his class in the PL despite the doubters.
 
It's fairly clear we need to stop these silly pursuits, and go for the next bracket down players who have the potential to step up.

The Martial and ahem Memphis types.
Even they are going for pretty pennies!
 
dcullivanio said:
There is no way on earth
Neymar will come to United anytime soon. We need to show that we can play attractively and that we're back on the winning pathway. If we get to that position then maybe it would be feasible but why would any player of that particular calibre want to come to us at the minute.

Surely the only reason would be money and we don't want players here for that reason alone.

I'd love it if we could get him and it would be a coup if he WANTED to come for more than just money. In believe that he'd continue to show his class in the PL despite the doubters.
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He wouldn't leave Barca for any reason other than money and the tax issues regardless. He's at the world's best team with the world's best players, in a much better country in terms of weather etc. Money and his tax issues are the only attributes we can play a part in.
 
Interesting speculation about Neymar has risen and his people are not rejecting it just as Van Gaal's tenure is in doubt.

Woodward's going to appoint Neymar as manager, isn't he lads?
 
French Paper Le10Sport saying we will meet the £140m release clause.
Dunno how reliable they are though.
Would be strange if we didn't table a bid imo. He is worth more than £140m, especially considering he's still only 23.
 
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