United are "Genuinely interested" in signing Neymar

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For £137.5m we should definitely sign him if possible. 23 yo and second best player in the world.

Don't understand the accountants in this thread who are scared of spending money
 
Adisa said:
I am fully aware of Barcelona problems but they will find a way. They just will. A Barcelona board that sanctions the sale of Neymar will face an immediate no confidence vote and be forced to resign.
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They'd be forced to resign regardless if that % isn't significantly lowered within two years regardless.

fcbforever said:
Not much in recent years. Nervous is probably the wrong expression. I think the story is believable, it was leaked more to appeal to the own fans though. Right now, United is no competition.


We are more worried about the midtable clubs getting more TV money because it will inflate the prices of the likes of Costa, Benatia etc even more.
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You're right, we aren't competition financially, we are well above you in that department (about the only department we are right now!).
 
ivaldo said:
They'd be forced to resign regardless if that % isn't significantly lowered within two years regardless.
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I still believe there are options available to them. There has been talk of them rushing through the new contract with Qatar p, with a significant portion of the deal up front. The issue seems to be about the training kit. But my guess is they will come to an agreement before the season runs out. That will give them som leeway.
 
Very unlikely but not put of the realms of possibility.

His age means a mega fee doesn't look such a short term splash unlike Ronaldo.

Heasy would want something in the region of £600k p/w in wages (similar to Messi and Ronaldo).

The weak euro against the pound, and his tax issues are probably the two strongest drivers of a possible deal.
 
horsechoker said:
We'd have to absolutely annihilate the current transfer record to even get Barca to consider selling him. Even then, I think Barca would only sell if we added a player like Martial to the deal which would been counter productive.
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Not a problem, Woody's been looking for a chance to wave Uniteds financial dick in everyone's face.
 
ivaldo said:
If we REALLY wanted him we could just double his wages, Barca won't be able to come close to us in terms of wages.
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That's a joke of a statement. There best paid player earns twice what ours does.

Barca have the biggest wage bill in the world. Of course they will match what we offer.
 
Imagine we signed him :drool:
 
It'd be an incredible signing, but it won't happen. There's just not any incentive for Barca to sell him unless he really wants to leave, and I struggle to see why Neymar would want to leave one of the best clubs in the world when he's one of their best players. Barca have an incredible front three right now, and I'd be shocked if they wanted to jeopardise it, for any fee.
 
KingMinger22 said:
That's a joke of a statement. There best paid player earns twice what ours does.

Barca have the biggest wage bill in the world. Of course they will match what we offer.
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Their wage bill is currently at 73% of their revenue, and they will need to offer a new contract to Messi. They can't go much higher when it comes to wages, cause they are a;ready at what is considered a red zone.
 
Do people actually believe this? This makes zero sense from his perspective. Unless Catalunya becomes independent and gets kickedout of La Liga, he's not coming.
 
Attila said:
For £137.5m we should definitely sign him if possible. 23 yo and second best player in the world.

Don't understand the accountants in this thread who are scared of spending money
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Agree. Nailed on Ballon D'Or winner in the future.

It can only benefit, IMO. Shirt sales, fanbase, icon for the club etc. It'd be really difficult to nab him from Barca though, unless what @Maradona10 said about their financial situation is true. (Thanks Maradona for waking up the muppet in me!)
 
Someone told Woody about Field of Dreams when he was only half listening, now he thinks if he bids it they will come.
 
KingMinger22 said:
That's a joke of a statement. There best paid player earns twice what ours does.

Barca have the biggest wage bill in the world. Of course they will match what we offer.
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While I would love it if United would be able to pull off the transfer, if they don't, then forcing Barca to pay double what they currently are would be a small win in my book.
 
NecssryEvil said:
While I would love it if United would be able to pull off the transfer, if they don't, then forcing Barca to pay double what they currently are would be a small win in my book.
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Why? They have done nothing against United.
 
He has the opportunity to make history as part of one of, if not the, best attacking trios in history. He will without a doubt win the CL at least one more time at Barca.

Unless he has a surprise boner for slow tumescent football or is upset at the lack of Greggs in Barcelona, there are few reasons for him to want to make the move. Money won't be a huge factor; Barca will pay him whatever he wants.
 
KingMinger22 said:
That's a joke of a statement. There best paid player earns twice what ours does.

Barca have the biggest wage bill in the world. Of course they will match what we offer.
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No they really can't. We can comfortably double what they currently pay Neymar, the Barca board have to drastically reduce their wage bill or face being forcibly removed, their wage bill is close to 75% of revenue, the club has a self imposed clause where wage % of revenue can't be higher than I think 60% (around there I think). Barca barely turned a profit in a season in which they won the treble, they don't have the financial muscle of United.
 
Imagine we sign Neymar and in Van Gaal first PC he says "Neymar has to adapt" to the way we play football. The Caf will implode.
 
Even if we signed him for £130m he would generate far more money.

He will become the best player in the world, I have very little doubt about that.

If there's even the slightest possibility of him leaving Barca we have to be all over it.
 
Adisa said:
Imagine we sign Neymar and in Van Gaal first PC he says "Neymar has to adapt" to the way we play football. The Caf will implode.
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Yeah man imagine that!

Or imagine he tells him not to dribble! Or shoot! Or imagine that he tells him he is on the bench because Rooney must play! Or that he hates him because he's South American! Let's imagine these things and get annoyed!
 
I would love him here and I believe the rumors the issue is that Brazilians hate Manchester and LvG
 
Knowing our luck, we will convince him, spend close to 150m on him, and then he will get injured... everybody gets injured...

And plus he will be corner taker which means he will get into the United habit of hitting the first man :P
 
JPRouve said:
Why? They have done nothing against United.
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I want them to tie up as much money as possible so they are restricted in who else they are able to sign. It has nothing to do with whether or not they have wronged us in some way. Do you not think they would do the same thing to another team?
 
Honestly think Neymar's wages will not be a problem for Barcelona, even when they have Messi. Someone like Javier Mascherano earns around €140,000. He is going to be 32 soon and can be replaced by another player, then they can fix Neymar's wages using the money cleared up. Others like Adriano earn €80,000; and he could be dispensable too, and Barcelona have some good youngsters who can step up in his stead. They could stand to free about €300,000-350,000 per week by selling just 3 players. Even Alex Song was on €70,000 wages, and his contract expires in 2017.

Plus, Barcelona earn only €38 million per year from the Nike deal which is up for renewal in 2018, and even the Qatar Airways sponsorship expires soon. Expect a big upgrade on those fronts too, inflating the commercial revenue. And it's not like they're paupers by any means either. They had revenues exceeding €600 million last season, and their overall revenue has gone up steadily in the last 5 seasons:

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Even with renegotiated La Liga broadcast deals, and the fact that some of the revenue with go down without a treble every season - they are well positioned to retain both Messi and Neymar. Especially since clubs are now starting to find more 'regional partners' (following the United blueprint); and are exploring online media options to expand their revenue base, and that will only go up in coming seasons. All this transfer talk seems like posturing from both sides to find a middle ground in terms of wages.
 
NecssryEvil said:
I want them to tie up as much money as possible so they are restricted in who else they are able to sign. It has nothing to do with whether or not they have wronged us in some way. Do you not think they would do the same thing to another team?
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They don't, so no I don't think they would. But what I think is that if you do that, other clubs will know and will make your life difficult on the transfer market.
 
£128 million could be better spent on getting the all around quality of the squad up. I also don't think Neymar is that well suited to living in and around Manchester. A footballer need much more than money to help him produce his best football and I don't see us ever taking a player who has looked as at home in the barca shirt or one who has looked similar in the Madrid shirt and bringing them to Manchester with positive results.
 
@Invictus is right, Neymar is a young player they are not going to sell him just to reduce their wage bill, they will do that with Dani Alves, Mascherano, Iniesta won't be around forever, Mathieu is disposable like Adriano. I think that they would sell Suarez for a good offer, he is 29 years old next month.
 
Invictus said:
Honestly think Neymar's wages will not be a problem for Barcelona, even when they have Messi. Someone like Javier Mascherano earns around €140,000. He is going to be 32 soon and can be replaced by another player, then they can fix Neymar's wages using the money cleared up. Others like Adriano earn €80,000; and he could be dispensable too, and Barcelona have some good youngsters who can step up in his stead. They could stand to free about €300,000-350,000 per week by selling just 3 players. Even Alex Song was on €70,000 wages, and his contract expires in 2017.

Plus, Barcelona earn only €38 million per year from the Nike deal which is up for renewal in 2018, and even the Qatar Airways sponsorship expires soon. Expect a big upgrade on those fronts too, inflating the commercial revenue. And it's not like they're paupers by any means either. They had revenues exceeding €600 million last season, and their overall revenue has gone up steadily in the last 5 seasons:


Even with renegotiated La Liga broadcast deals, and the fact that some of the revenue with go down without a treble every season - they are well positioned to retain both Messi and Neymar. Especially since clubs are now starting to find more 'regional partners' (following the United blueprint); and are exploring online media options to expand their revenue base, and that will only go up in coming seasons. All this transfer talk seems like posturing from both sides to find a middle ground in terms of wages.
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Thats all well and good in theory but in practical terms they are a financial mess. Barca wont gain much more from the Nike renewal since United's deal isn't the norm, it will be more in line with Madrids etc which wouldn't exactly be a huge upgrade for them. Barca may well be looking into regional partners but as it stands United are in first place earning over 350% more than Barca do with these types of deals and I don't see that closing any time soon. That's simply due to our marketing department being 100x better than those at Barca. They have dominated football for over a decade, they shouldn't be in this mess
They're such a mess that they made a loss in the CL last year despite winning the fecking thing.
 
NecssryEvil said:
I want them to tie up as much money as possible so they are restricted in who else they are able to sign. It has nothing to do with whether or not they have wronged us in some way. Do you not think they would do the same thing to another team?
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I Read this in article by grahm hunter (spelling) ballague mentions it too in a question answer on twitter, i am currently searching his timeline for the links.
 
The thing is that Neymar's contract ideally should be renewed before the season runs out. All the revenue generating things @Invictus talked about are taking time. They are even having problems with Qatar Airways. Barcelona want a different training kit sponsor, like we do but Qatar are having non of it.
The also have the Camp Nao renovation to think about. The financial commitment to Neymar and Messi will be well over €200m. Although I think they will eventually find a way, it won't be as easy as people think. They might have to bend some rules.
 
I think they will have to delay the planned renovation.
 
Adisa said:
The financial commitment to Neymar and Messi will be well over €200m
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But that will be amortized through the length of their contract(s) mate, it's not like the money has to be paid up front. I'm pretty certain that they'll find a way somehow.

Also, an an aside, it might be time for football governing bodies to consider an individual, and team wage cap. Talks of half a million per week wages becoming the norm among the elites in the near future are nice, but where does it stop? The rapid escalation of salaries across the board with the influx of unprecedented amounts of money, and deification of footballers could be ruinous for the future of the sport. And just to get a kick out of it, at the end of the day, by and large - the burden rests on the shoulders of people like us, who bear the brunt of increased broadcast/ merchandise/ matchday rates and the whole 'consumer experience'. No worries though, onkel Sepp is busy stashing $100 million bribes. The beautiful game indeed.
 
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