United are "Genuinely interested" in signing Neymar

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FCBarca said:
Than perhaps I concluded poorly from your post but there's been a rash of bitterness in posts regarding Pep's decision due to it strengthening a direct local rival.
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Fair enough mate. I'm not going to lie and say i don't care Guardiola has went to City i would have preferred them to appoint Harry Redknapp lol. But at the same time i'm not overly concerned either. Chelsea got Mourinho and won practically everything while he was there but it didn't last long, it will be the same with Guardiola a few years at most. I would be worried if i thought he would stay for a long time. Also with City i don't know if he can win as much as Jose did first time round at Chelsea. We will see.

FCBarca said:
You didn't cite innovators as coaches, you cited two coaches who are known for that but no, Pep won't be getting fired. There's no guarantee of a trophy cabinet like Barcelona but City will be transformed by Guardiola, as will English football
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Look i think it's highly unlikely Guardiola won't win enough for his time their to be considered at the very least relatively successful, with a good chance they will win a fair amount during his tenure. But in football anything can happen and if he didn't win anything in his first two years they would sack him. Make no mistake about that.

I also think you might rate Guardiola a little bit more than i do. I rate him highly but i'm interested to see how he does without the best player (and maybe team) in history or managing a team that isn't by far and way the best in it's league like Bayern. City will be a challenge for him.
 
stevoc said:
Look i think it's highly unlikely Guardiola won't win enough for his time their to be considered at the very least relatively successful, with a good chance they will win a fair amount during his tenure. But in football anything can happen and if he didn't win anything in his first two years they would sack him. Make no mistake about that.

I also think you might rate Guardiola a little bit more than i do. I rate him highly but i'm interested to see how he does without the best player (and maybe team) in history or managing a team that isn't by far and way the best in it's league like Bayern. City will be a challenge for him.
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Easiest money you could ever make is banking on Pep not getting fired at City

Like I said, many of you who underrate the coach will see what some of us have been preaching for years soon enough
 
Why are they bidding 144m, when it would require 40% more for taxes? I thought it was common knowledge by now.
 
FCBarca said:
Easiest money you could ever make is banking on Pep not getting fired at City

Like I said, many of you who underrate the coach will see what some of us have been preaching for years soon enough
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Like i said i think it's highly unlikely he will get sacked but nothing in football is impossible. Especially these days when a manager can get sacked a year after winning La Decima or 5 months after winning the league title.
 
CLARiiON said:
Why are they bidding 144m, when it would require 40% more for taxes? I thought it was common knowledge by now.
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Paying release clauses have been simpler thanks to the Javi Martinez case. And even if taxes are demanded, the player can pay the entire sum to the Spanish Federation offices. The money will be returned to the club. this is all academic of course because Neymar isn't going anywhere.
 
Brown Toothpick said:
Well it is his buyout clause. Doesn't matter anyway since the player wants to stay.
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I remember some Barca official mentioned about a year back about Messi that if anyone has to pay the clause, they will also need to pay like 40% more for taxes. In that sense, the total outlay become much higher than the actual release clause. So I am thinking in case of neymar, someone has to actually spend more than 250 million + wages.
 
CLARiiON said:
I remember some Barca official mentioned about a year back about Messi that if anyone has to pay the clause, they will also need to pay like 40% more for taxes. In that sense, the total outlay become much higher than the actual release clause. So I am thinking in case of neymar, someone has to actually spend more than 250 million + wages.
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The tax is more complicated and differs in each case. I remember reading its potentially between 20% and 45%. However that tax only applies on the money transfer, when said player doesn't buyout the contract by his own money.
 
CLARiiON said:
I remember some Barca official mentioned about a year back about Messi that if anyone has to pay the clause, they will also need to pay like 40% more for taxes. In that sense, the total outlay become much higher than the actual release clause. So I am thinking in case of neymar, someone has to actually spend more than 250 million + wages.
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As proven from Martinez's and Herrera's case, that is quite unlikely. Spain seems to have this weird tax system which can bite after a few years, but so far neither United nor Bayern has payed more than the release clause (and that 5% tax which goes to the first club, but that doesn't count for Neymar considering that Barca is his first club in Europe).

So, I guess if a club pays his release clause, and he wants to leave, then he would eventually leave, although Barca might make it more difficult than Bilbao, considering that Barca isn't in debt and no-one can threaten them. Or more likely, if Neymar wants to leave and go to an another club, then that club might find a compromise with Barca by paying some extra money (similar to Thiago's transfer).

However, Neymar looks very happy there and there aren't many reasons why he would leave. And I doubt that there are many clubs who can pay 200m euros for him, in addition to 30m in wages per year or so.
 
Brown Toothpick said:
The tax is more complicated and differs in each case. I remember reading its potentially between 20% and 45%. However that tax only applies on the money transfer, when said player doesn't buyout the contract by his own money.
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In theory, when a player has no money, one way around would be for the new club to transfer money to his account (which gets taxed) and then him to pay the release clause.

Neither Bayern, not United did that in Martinez and Herrera case. Instead, the player authorized the new club to pay the transfer for him. Because the money didn't change hands, it didn't get taxed.
 
If he needs to get away from his tax problems .Coming to the UK maybe a good choice.
 
Drifter said:
If he needs to get away from his tax problems .Coming to the UK maybe a good choice.
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How? If he was at fault for tax evasion, Spain won't leave that just because he went to UK. After all, both being members of EU, etc etc.
 
Revan said:
So, I guess if a club pays his release clause, and he wants to leave, then he would eventually leave, although Barca might make it more difficult than Bilbao, considering that Barca isn't in debt and no-one can threaten them. Or more likely, if Neymar wants to leave and go to an another club, then that club might find a compromise with Barca by paying some extra money (similar to Thiago's transfer).
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What happened during Thiago transfer in terms of money transfer? Usually I find these deals complicated.
 
Why the feck does the UK Press keep talking about this?!?!

1) No-One managed to take Messi off of Barca. Why would Neymar be different?
2) He is seemingly best mates with Barca's talisman.
3) They just won everything. And will probably do it again.

Oh yeah, tax avoision. Come to the UK, we have a low income tax rate
 
rcoobc said:
Why the feck does the UK Press keep talking about this?!?!

1) No-One managed to take Messi off of Barca. Why would Neymar be different?
2) He is seemingly best mates with Barca's talisman.
3) They just won everything. And will probably do it again.

Oh yeah, tax avoision. Come to the UK, we have a low income tax rate
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1. Messi has played for Barcelona since being 13.

2. Neymar Incorporated seem incredibly motivated by money.

3. Barcelona are supposedly struggling for said money.
 
fontaine said:
United has a 190m offer for Neymar. His father has just confirmed it (front page of MARCA)

http://www.marca.com/
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First Ramos' brother toyed with Graham Hunter over the Summer with the 'he only wants to join United' nonsense, and then allegedly tried to make a deal with a Barca presidential candidate to force Madrid's hand.

It appears relatives are now working overtime to get their players new contracts.
 
Just read that Neymars father said in court that Neymar will not stay at Barca for his whole career and he doesnt have to sign a new contract.
He must be a nightmare to deal with. What a ridiculous statement to make.
 
Adisa said:

As we all suspected
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Aye just read this elsewhere.

Encouraging that we're willing to spend €190m on the 3rd place Ballon D'or player. It's the league of players we should be looking into if we're serious about getting back to the top. No top team in Europe has an attack of our quality.

It's no surprise he is so happy at Barcelona and he'll probably sign a fat new deal but if they do find they are feeling the pinch (73% wages to turn over and negotiations for Messi and Neymar to add to that) then it's good we have a toe in the door.
 
£140 million is a bargain. Shame we're so shit and have feck all chance.
 
Wow, 140+ million bid for Neymar by Woody. What must Fergie be thinking after all those years of "no value for money in the transfer market".
 
By FFP rules the €190m release clause would be amortized over the 5 year contract + let's say €35m wages, that's a budget of €73m/year. City could afford that with the new TV deal. United, Real, PSG and maybe a few others too.

I would be surprised if City went for him, they have more pressing problems in midfield and defense.
 
For that money I prefer to sign Griezmann, Dybala and Gundogan.
 
If he joins City we really are fecked, he's an unbelievable player and has another 10-15 years of dominance at least. :lol:
 
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