Then not, but a club similar to Roma in terms of league position - it's possible.
United aiming to sell Harry Maguire next summer according to Jamie Jackson
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Maguire is not going to Italy 
. They won't be able to afford him and he can earn better wages at his proper level - bottom third PL or even Championship.
We certainly won't get a decent fee, that's for sure.
. They won't be able to afford him and he can earn better wages at his proper level - bottom third PL or even Championship.We certainly won't get a decent fee, that's for sure.
One shithouse for another shithouse? No thanks.
Surely you can't hold that against him?
Would you prefer him to suggest he's mad keen to get out, or just happy to hang around on the bench?
Nope, not holding anything against him but I'll be very surprised if he leaves in the summer.
It's a very difficult sale.
80m and probably on 200k a week.
Best we could hope for is the likes of West Ham storming in at 40m or so.
Yeah exactly, and I think that's a stretch considering what's going on there right now. Newcastle maybe but they seem like they're not daft enough to try that either. I just hope he can come in for the cup games or dead rubbers and give us the chance to rest the starters.
£40m for him would be great to be honest. If he doesn't get regular game time I think he'll be gone and we'll just have to cut our losses. He still has a good reputation in England and teams like West Ham, Everton or Leicester could afford him and there are probably a few other teams who would be interested. Who knows even with Spurs or Newcastle.
He'll want to play regular football and continue to be a regular for England at Euro 2024. Even if Southgate is his guy, he could lose his place in the starting line up or squad if he's not featuring much this season and next season.
Where he goes and how much we get is difficult to know but I think he'll be easy enough to shift for £30m+
Watching Chelsea and City, you got two coaches who never even remotely would consider putting Maguire on the pitch at CB. Both teams play up from the back every chance they get, no matter how hard they are pressured. You do not want Maguire making those passes deep right in-front of the goal line with three opponents rushing down on the ball.
Brighton is having great success playing the same way. In the Championship, you got Burnley dominating playing that way. At the same time, you got Newcastle having a lot of success playing a completely different brand of football.
Ultimately, I am a little afraid of that the number teams in the market for a CB like Maguire next summer is going to be very limited. And that is — solely — what will decide Maguire’s transfer fee. We can’t sell Maguire to a team that he will not want to go to. He controls where he will go. How many clubs would Maguire sign with — that also are looking for a right footed CB that can’t play the ball?
If there is only one club that wants Maguire and that Maguire is willing to sign with — we won’t get 30-40m. If that team offers 20m, we have no leverage. We can either accept the offer or keep Maguire. If there are two teams with a big interest, we should easily be able to get around 30 at least. His market value is what, 40m, but his wages are a lot higher than what guys like him normally makes so of course brings down the transfer fee some. And I would not rule out that we don’t even can find a taker for him.
Brighton is having great success playing the same way. In the Championship, you got Burnley dominating playing that way. At the same time, you got Newcastle having a lot of success playing a completely different brand of football.
Ultimately, I am a little afraid of that the number teams in the market for a CB like Maguire next summer is going to be very limited. And that is — solely — what will decide Maguire’s transfer fee. We can’t sell Maguire to a team that he will not want to go to. He controls where he will go. How many clubs would Maguire sign with — that also are looking for a right footed CB that can’t play the ball?
If there is only one club that wants Maguire and that Maguire is willing to sign with — we won’t get 30-40m. If that team offers 20m, we have no leverage. We can either accept the offer or keep Maguire. If there are two teams with a big interest, we should easily be able to get around 30 at least. His market value is what, 40m, but his wages are a lot higher than what guys like him normally makes so of course brings down the transfer fee some. And I would not rule out that we don’t even can find a taker for him.
Why was Pep a fan of Maguire then not so long ago?
He was a fan of his before he went and was probably a fan in his first season at Utd and he may have brought him to Citeh if the price did'nt go so high.I am sure he is a fan of Maguire at United…
He was also poised to sign Alexis Sanchez and Ronaldo. Allegedly…
And they were rubbish before they went to Utd as well
Pep would of course never have brought Maguire to City. He has never signed a CB who even remotely is as immobile or poor on the ball as Maguire is.
I don’t have anything against Maguire. But he does not function well on a team that plays up from the back, and especially not in the PL with teams pressing as hard as they do.
Why do you think Maguire has been ETH 4th-5th choice at CB?
West Ham, Everton, Newcastle and Leicester would all have to break their current wage structure and make him their highest paid player by some distance (20-30%), which is unlikely for a centre back. For Spurs he'd be their highest paid player outside of Kane and Son. He'd even be one of Arsenal's top 3-4 earners.
Working on the fair assumption that he won't take a big wage cut, the teams that could afford his wages for a CB along with a proper fee can literally be counted on both hands.
If we want more than a £20m fee without subsidising his wages to the tune of 30-40% for the rest of his contract, I can only really see Chelsea as an option.
All top PL teams always jumps in and shows interest when a competitor is about to sign a player, drives the price up. It’s part of the game.
This is a quote from Pep when he came to Utd and I think he knows a little bit about the game:
Maguire is an excellent, top-class player,” Guardiola said. “We were interested but we could not afford him. United could afford him. He’s strong in the air, good with the ball, he can drive with the ball and he’s so fast. He has a lot of qualities, so congratulations to United.”
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but please don't make stupid statements that he would never have started under Pep just to add to the agenda.
He would never have been played by Pep today, in my opinion. I would bet my right arm, the house and my mom on it. For the same reason he has been ETH’ 4-5th option at CB. If you think that is a stupid assumption, it’s your right. Think we must agree to disagree on this one.
18 month loan with us paying 50%+ of his wages? After that he will only have a year left on his contract.Maguire is not going to Italy
We certainly won't get a decent fee, that's for sure.
I don’t think it will be just the fee that makes it difficult.
"He's so fast". Wonder if Pep was taking the piss.
You said he never would have brought Harry to Citeh and I have proven to you that you are wrong....let us just leave it at thatHe would never have been played by Pep today, in my opinion. I would bet my right arm, the house and my mom on it. For the same reason he has been ETH’ 4-5th option at CB. If you think that is a stupid assumption, it’s your right. Think we must agree to disagree on this one.
Pep does'nt come across as that sort of bloke to me...if he was I think he would have shown it a long time ago.
You said he never would have brought Harry to Citeh and I have proven to you that you are wrong....let us just leave it at that
Yeah, you completely owned me. Maguire would be the first guy Pep writes on a paper when picking his starting XI if he had him.
He tricked us into buying Sanchez and Ronaldo as well so I'd say yes.
They have always done this. Pep’s sore spot is the notion that City “just bought success”. He always mention how much we spend. After we sign a player, it comes out how City wanted the player but couldn’t compete with us financially. Etc etc etc. Every single time we have been bidding for a good player, City gets the player. When it’s a crap player, we get him because we spend more than City — supposedly.
@Bondi77 I am just waiting for someone to point me in direction of a camera and ask me to repeat it.
We can’t agree on everything. But I have to say that I am surprised with how many look at the CB position — when we play the way we do under ETH — completely different than I do. Only looking at the play without the ball. I thought Maguire and Lindelof’s play with the ball up from the back against Bourmouth was horrible. It was so slow. They were so stationary. Kept pointing at each other and their teammates. After the game, so many comments are like ‘I don’t think they were good because we conceded 4-5 chances and DDG was magnificent’. It’s football, if you let a team have the ball, they will create chances. The only way in football to not concede any chances is to have the ball. If you don’t have the ball, you will at least concede some half chances.
The mechanics behind Pep and ETH’s style is very simple. To achieve what they want to achieve — being able to play up from the back is absolutely essential. To be able to play up from the back you need a good passing foot, but you especially need mobility and good technique because the forwards pressing the CB will take away the passing lane up through the center of the pitch and if that forward get support pressing on both wings, you have to send a long ball up field.
But if you have a mobile CB. Who is not standing still waiting for a pass when he gets the ball. It’s so much harder for an attacker to effectively press the CB and take away the passing lane. That pressing forward literary face a moving target instead of a target sitting still. Anyone who hunts knows the difference, And if you play a team that press a CB with the ball hard, and steps up high on both full backs to take away the passing lanes to them — you win so so much if you have a pair of CBs that can move the ball up the center of the pitch to a CM/CDM. If you can do that you have every chance to both get high up field and to lift your team high up field and create those prolonged periods of attacking football were you push the opposition really really deep.
It’s no surprise whatsoever — for me — that ETH at Ajax opted to not go with — for the Eredivse — elite traditional CBs and instead played a 5’9 RB who was 19 y/o and a 5’11 CDM in Timber and Martinez there. It is no surprise that he first wanted Timber and then Martinez to come here. It’s no surprise that he keeps Shaw at CB when Martinez was out, after Maguire and Lindelof both where back on the bench.
When ETH — of course — didn’t prefer Maguire as his first, second, third or at times even fourth choice at CB, I find it very surprising that the pundit didn’t think it had anything to do with his lack of mobility and poor ability to play up the ball from the back. How he is very stationary with the ball, pointing in all directions. Or runs in a straight line up field in some half adventures attempt. Instead so many started talking about how Maguire could not “play a high defense”. Like the game with the ball did not exist.
We have seen how one of our bigger rivals in Manchester City have played since 2016 under Pep Guardiola. The constant really high risk low margin passing game up from Ederson. We surely must all be able to envision how it would look if DDG, Maguire and Lindelof tried to do the same every time they had a chance. They could never pull it off. Right? We know that ETH wants to play very similar to Pep in this regard.
So seriously — you tell me — what am I missing? Why do we only look at our CBs ability to play defense despite what we know about what ETH requires from his player in that position? Why are these guys — by so many — not held accountable for their play with the ball? Like, nobody can seriously think that we could send Maguire, Lindelof and DDG to across town to play a game for City against a really high pressing Chelsea or Liverpool or whatever, and get away with still passing the ball up field like Ederson and Cities CBs regularly do — right? We all know what an extreme circus it would be. What am I missing here?
We can’t agree on everything. But I have to say that I am surprised with how many look at the CB position — when we play the way we do under ETH — completely different than I do. Only looking at the play without the ball. I thought Maguire and Lindelof’s play with the ball up from the back against Bourmouth was horrible. It was so slow. They were so stationary. Kept pointing at each other and their teammates. After the game, so many comments are like ‘I don’t think they were good because we conceded 4-5 chances and DDG was magnificent’. It’s football, if you let a team have the ball, they will create chances. The only way in football to not concede any chances is to have the ball. If you don’t have the ball, you will at least concede some half chances.
The mechanics behind Pep and ETH’s style is very simple. To achieve what they want to achieve — being able to play up from the back is absolutely essential. To be able to play up from the back you need a good passing foot, but you especially need mobility and good technique because the forwards pressing the CB will take away the passing lane up through the center of the pitch and if that forward get support pressing on both wings, you have to send a long ball up field.
But if you have a mobile CB. Who is not standing still waiting for a pass when he gets the ball. It’s so much harder for an attacker to effectively press the CB and take away the passing lane. That pressing forward literary face a moving target instead of a target sitting still. Anyone who hunts knows the difference, And if you play a team that press a CB with the ball hard, and steps up high on both full backs to take away the passing lanes to them — you win so so much if you have a pair of CBs that can move the ball up the center of the pitch to a CM/CDM. If you can do that you have every chance to both get high up field and to lift your team high up field and create those prolonged periods of attacking football were you push the opposition really really deep.
It’s no surprise whatsoever — for me — that ETH at Ajax opted to not go with — for the Eredivse — elite traditional CBs and instead played a 5’9 RB who was 19 y/o and a 5’11 CDM in Timber and Martinez there. It is no surprise that he first wanted Timber and then Martinez to come here. It’s no surprise that he keeps Shaw at CB when Martinez was out, after Maguire and Lindelof both where back on the bench.
When ETH — of course — didn’t prefer Maguire as his first, second, third or at times even fourth choice at CB, I find it very surprising that the pundit didn’t think it had anything to do with his lack of mobility and poor ability to play up the ball from the back. How he is very stationary with the ball, pointing in all directions. Or runs in a straight line up field in some half adventures attempt. Instead so many started talking about how Maguire could not “play a high defense”. Like the game with the ball did not exist.
We have seen how one of our bigger rivals in Manchester City have played since 2016 under Pep Guardiola. The constant really high risk low margin passing game up from Ederson. We surely must all be able to envision how it would look if DDG, Maguire and Lindelof tried to do the same every time they had a chance. They could never pull it off. Right? We know that ETH wants to play very similar to Pep in this regard.
So seriously — you tell me — what am I missing? Why do we only look at our CBs ability to play defense despite what we know about what ETH requires from his player in that position? Why are these guys — by so many — not held accountable for their play with the ball? Like, nobody can seriously think that we could send Maguire, Lindelof and DDG to across town to play a game for City against a really high pressing Chelsea or Liverpool or whatever, and get away with still passing the ball up field like Ederson and Cities CBs regularly do — right? We all know what an extreme circus it would be. What am I missing here?
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Lindelof is more than half decent with the ball. For all of Maguire's little shitty loopy shots, he's never had the couple of assists Lindelof had last season.
It's his cowardice in the tackle and air-headedness in positioning that's his big problem.
But for the money we paid for him, he's an excellent 4th, even 3rd choice CB
It's his cowardice in the tackle and air-headedness in positioning that's his big problem.
But for the money we paid for him, he's an excellent 4th, even 3rd choice CB
Also managed to buy Grealish and Kalvin Phillips for himself for the best part of £150m so he's played himself too
He’s posted an Insta story linking a stat that says “Harry Maguire’s last 8 appearances for Manchester United” and then 8 wins…..pretty sure he was sub in some of those and two were vs Sheriff…..
I just find that so cringe.
I just find that so cringe.
We also played with one of the highest lines in the league in 2020/21 with Ole and it worked. Maguire was also really good that season.
Right now we play with one of the lowest lines
And people are saying Maguire is not suited to ETH's high line Football geniusesIn all honesty mate I am not going to get into a debate over Maguire as the opinion of him currently is so toxic on here that I would end up just putting too many posters here on the ignore list.@Bondi77 I am just waiting for someone to point me in direction of a camera and ask me to repeat it.
We can’t agree on everything. But I have to say that I am surprised with how many look at the CB position — when we play the way we do under ETH — completely different than I do. Only looking at the play without the ball. I thought Maguire and Lindelof’s play with the ball up from the back against Bourmouth was horrible. It was so slow. They were so stationary. Kept pointing at each other and their teammates. After the game, so many comments are like ‘I don’t think they were good because we conceded 4-5 chances and DDG was magnificent’. It’s football, if you let a team have the ball, they will create chances. The only way in football to not concede any chances is to have the ball. If you don’t have the ball, you will at least concede some half chances.
The mechanics behind Pep and ETH’s style is very simple. To achieve what they want to achieve — being able to play up from the back is absolutely essential. To be able to play up from the back you need a good passing foot, but you especially need mobility and good technique because the forwards pressing the CB will take away the passing lane up through the center of the pitch and if that forward get support pressing on both wings, you have to send a long ball up field.
But if you have a mobile CB. Who is not standing still waiting for a pass when he gets the ball. It’s so much harder for an attacker to effectively press the CB and take away the passing lane. That pressing forward literary face a moving target instead of a target sitting still. Anyone who hunts knows the difference, And if you play a team that press a CB with the ball hard, and steps up high on both full backs to take away the passing lanes to them — you win so so much if you have a pair of CBs that can move the ball up the center of the pitch to a CM/CDM. If you can do that you have every chance to both get high up field and to lift your team high up field and create those prolonged periods of attacking football were you push the opposition really really deep.
It’s no surprise whatsoever — for me — that ETH at Ajax opted to not go with — for the Eredivse — elite traditional CBs and instead played a 5’9 RB who was 19 y/o and a 5’11 CDM in Timber and Martinez there. It is no surprise that he first wanted Timber and then Martinez to come here. It’s no surprise that he keeps Shaw at CB when Martinez was out, after Maguire and Lindelof both where back on the bench.
When ETH — of course — didn’t prefer Maguire as his first, second, third or at times even fourth choice at CB, I find it very surprising that the pundit didn’t think it had anything to do with his lack of mobility and poor ability to play up the ball from the back. How he is very stationary with the ball, pointing in all directions. Or runs in a straight line up field in some half adventures attempt. Instead so many started talking about how Maguire could not “play a high defense”. Like the game with the ball did not exist.
We have seen how one of our bigger rivals in Manchester City have played since 2016 under Pep Guardiola. The constant really high risk low margin passing game up from Ederson. We surely must all be able to envision how it would look if DDG, Maguire and Lindelof tried to do the same every time they had a chance. They could never pull it off. Right? We know that ETH wants to play very similar to Pep in this regard.
So seriously — you tell me — what am I missing? Why do we only look at our CBs ability to play defense despite what we know about what ETH requires from his player in that position? Why are these guys — by so many — not held accountable for their play with the ball? Like, nobody can seriously think that we could send Maguire, Lindelof and DDG to across town to play a game for City against a really high pressing Chelsea or Liverpool or whatever, and get away with still passing the ball up field like Ederson and Cities CBs regularly do — right? We all know what an extreme circus it would be. What am I missing here?
Pep is always full of praise for the opposition players, his words aren't worth that much. And every top club considers the possibility of signing hundreds if not thousands of players every transfer window only not to sign the absolute majority of them. The important thing that Pep didn't sign him, using his interest as a proof of Maguire's quality is one of the weirdest (and, yet, ever-present) arguments that I've seen on here.
You are entitled to your opinion.
Our average defence line height in 2020/21 was 39,2 meters.We also played with one of the highest lines in the league in 2020/21 with Ole and it worked. Maguire was also really good that season.
Right now we play with one of the lowest lines
Here's the defence line height stats from our recent games.
Wolves- 50.8
Forest-44.5
Burnley(cup)-47.2
Fulham-38.2
Villa(cup)-52.5
Villa-44.5
Damn, slam dunked him there.
Just as you are entitled to be wrong, I guess.
Of all hills, HM one is wierd to die on. It is so obvious that he does not fit ETH game plan. He is so slow and have positional awarnes of a drunk toddler.
It is time to move one. I feel sorry for him but he had his chance to play for UTD. Some players never get that (Strootman, Defour).
And if he had some self awareness he should give up on captaincy . It look so stupid when he came for few minutes and take armband from Bruno.
It is time to move one. I feel sorry for him but he had his chance to play for UTD. Some players never get that (Strootman, Defour).
And if he had some self awareness he should give up on captaincy . It look so stupid when he came for few minutes and take armband from Bruno.