United’s next manager

Craig Ward said:
No, he failed.

His transfer dealing were borderline atrocious and he was fired for underperformance. He failed
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He somewhat failed, yes... however Zlatan and Pogba are best players this club had in years and he was able to get them while being in Europa League thanks to Louie van Gaal's truly atrocious transfer dealings.

After 10-20 years people will only remember the success in club's trophy room and Jose delivered with unbalanced squad, something that Ole may not even remotely come close to.

Jose pretty much never leaves the club without a one or two trophy celebrations, the failure lies in decision to appoint such type of manager when team was begging to be built from scratch.
 
Craig Ward said:
At the bare minimum i'd expect any manager to leave the club in a better state at the end of the reign than it was at the beginning to be considered a success.

Jose failed, big time
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If a manager gets sacked more than likely they’ve messed up somewhere. But Jose didn’t not fail; If Jose failed.. what the hell is Ole doing?
 
I think Poch is our best bet, i dont think the likes of Rose, Nagelsmann and Ten Hag would come here under this current structure, they're used to working with a DOF and we dont appear to be getting one anytime soon.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
I think Poch is our best bet, i dont think the likes of Rose, Nagelsmann and Ten Hag would come here under this current structure, they're used to working with a DOF and we dont appear to be getting one anytime soon.
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Couldn't you say the same about Poch? I might be wrong but I just can't see what Poch or any manager could do much better with this squad. We have been through Moyes, LVG, Mourinho and Solskjaer and none of them have figured it out. Doubt Poch will either.
 
Cant see any of the top tier managers coming to United.

They all want a few hundred million to build a team these days.

It will be some manager on a downward spiral like Blanc or some unproven manager like Howie.
 
Thepinhead said:
Couldn't you say the same about Poch? I might be wrong but I just can't see what Poch or any manager could do much better with this squad. We have been through Moyes, LVG, Mourinho and Solskjaer and none of them have figured it out. Doubt Poch will either.
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Poch doesn't like working with a DOF apparently, we know he can improve players and get us playing cohesively which is what we need.
 
Feels like the end is near now.

Managers? I’m certain that Ed won’t even bother looking beyond Poch and I’m not certain he’s the best choice either.
 
Thepinhead said:
Couldn't you say the same about Poch? I might be wrong but I just can't see what Poch or any manager could do much better with this squad. We have been through Moyes, LVG, Mourinho and Solskjaer and none of them have figured it out. Doubt Poch will either.
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Of course they would do better with someone who can implement a style of play and coach the players effectively.

It would unlikely improve the woeful player recruitment, so I am not staying we would win the league. But we can be top four.
 
Marcelo Bielsa if Ole has to go. I mean, we've at least GOT to be an upgrade on Leeds right?
 
Would take either one of Marco Rose or Pochettino, would prefer Marco Rose.
 
passing-wind said:
Hopefully the glazers are thinking alike. I'd also thrown in Naglesmann / Tuchel.
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I'd take Nagelsmann as well but i get the feeling he will be 100% Bayern bound at some point soon. I wanted Tuchel when he was free, and would still gladly take him, but feel like Marco Rose would be a better option and more attainable
 
Even if we get Marco Rose, the state this club is run is scary. Something needs to fundamentally change.
 
golden_blunder said:
Feels like the end is near now.

Managers? I’m certain that Ed won’t even bother looking beyond Poch and I’m not certain he’s the best choice either.
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I want Poch but this is what I'm worried about.

There is no guarantee that - if we sack Ole - Poch agrees to come here, and it could see us/Ed scrambling for a last minute appointment with no long term plan. Again.
 
Yagami said:
I want Poch but this is what I'm worried about.

There is no guarantee that - if we sack Ole - Poch agrees to come here, and it could see us/Ed scrambling for a last minute appointment with no long term plan. Again.
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I want us to go through a proper process next time, not just give the job to the first person that comes to mind.

I’m not convinced by Poch, particularly his record in big games. I’ve never liked his midfield choices either and that worries me as we need someone to see how cack our midfield is. We need fresh eyes
 
L1nk said:
I'd take Nagelsmann as well but i get the feeling he will be 100% Bayern bound at some point soon. I wanted Tuchel when he was free, and would still gladly take him, but feel like Marco Rose would be a better option and more attainable
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I think as long as United has little to no structure and this mess what should be "a concept", no DOF etc, there will be no way to get coaches like Nagelsmann or Tuchel. That Klopp laughs his ass off and said "no thanks" some time ago says all. This will continue.

Btw: Liverpool seems to have a new sponsor or shirt deal which is bigger than the current of United. Things starting to show consequences..the tide is turning. Woodward and the Glazers never realised that no club is too big too fail and are thinking they can run the club by just being lazy and let the things happen, that United is good is some force of nature. God Woodward must be so clueless and lazy, how this club is running is like watching a car accident where you feel the pain but can't take your eyes off.
 
golden_blunder said:
I want us to go through a proper process next time, not just give the job to the first person that comes to mind.

I’m not convinced by Poch, particularly his record in big games. I’ve never liked his midfield choices either and that worries me as we need someone to see how cack our midfield is. We need fresh eyes
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I completely agree with your first point.

As for your points about Poch, I share your concerns about his records in big games, and the fact that he's seemingly never took the domestic cups seriously, but I personally have liked his midfield choices. If memory serves me correctly, he's always had a defensively sound player alongside a press resistant CM who recycles the ball well, with a proper playmaker in front.

At Southampton, he had Wanyama and/or Schneiderlin as the defensive ball winners, Cork/Davies as the press resistant recyclers, and Lallana as the primary playmaker just ahead.

At Spurs, he had Wanyama/Dier/Sissoko as the defensive ball winners, Dembele/Winks as the press resistant recyclers, and Eriksen as the primary playmaker just ahead.

For me, I've always thought he got the midfield balance of his team right. He favours CMs who are strong on and off the ball, who work hard in their pressing, and who can unleash the forwards/attackers with quick balls forwards, and just by virtue of giving the forwards more freedom to attack by how well the cover the ground behind them.
 
.mica said:
I think as long as United has little to no structure and this mess what should be "a concept", no DOF etc, there will be no way to get coaches like Nagelsmann or Tuchel. That Klopp laughs his ass off and said "no thanks" some time ago says all. This will continue.

Btw: Liverpool seems to have a new sponsor or shirt deal which is bigger than the current of United. Things starting to show consequences..the tide is turning. Woodward and the Glazers never realised that no club is too big too fail and are thinking they can run the club by just being lazy and let the things happen, that United is good is some force of nature. God Woodward must be so clueless and lazy, how this club is running is like watching a car accident where you feel the pain but can't take your eyes off.
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They renewed shirt sponsorship deal which is worth 40 million per year, ManUtd signed with Chevrolet which was back in 2012 or 2013 which is worth even more.

If it's Nike deal, there is no fixed number, Base fee is way less, around 30 million + 20 percent royalties for merchandise sales, five percent for footwear. It's worth around 70 million +.
 
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roonster09 said:
They renewed shirt sponsorship deal which is worth 40 million per year, ManUtd signed with Chevrolet which was back in 2012 or 2013 which is worth even more.

If it's Nike deal, there is no fixed number, Base fee is way less, around 30 million + 20 percent royalties for merchandise sales, five percent for footwear. It's worth around 70 million +.
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Its not a reliable source, but Sportbild (citing a english newspaper) says:
94 Million Euros for Liverpoool per year, more than Uniteds 88 Millions per year.

My point is: Woodward and Co never were thinking of a concept, a DoF or only the slightest thing which is important to and how to run a football club. They simply let things happen. The money comes in so why do something? React some time some little when its obvious and too late, and try to keep the fans calm for example by hiring an old United player as a coach, speaking about some major transfers (but doing nothing in the end or face the fact that they are already without a chance cause everybody in the football world sees what happens with the club, like the case Haaland, or Sancho in the future. Also not getting Kloppp in the first place is a consequence of that) and so on.
Now the financial impacts of this rotting way of runing a club are slowly coming around the corner.
 
.mica said:
Its not a reliable source, but Sportbild (citing a english newspaper) says:
94 Million Euros for Liverpoool per year, more than Uniteds 88 Millions per year.

My point is: Woodward and Co never were thinking of a concept, a DoF or only the slightest thing which is important to and how to run a football club. They simply let things happen. The money comes in so why do something? React some time some little when its obvious and too late, and try to keep the fans calm for example by hiring an old United player as a coach, speaking about some major transfers (but doing nothing in the end or face the fact that they are already without a chance cause everybody in the football world sees what happens with the club, like the case Haaland, or Sancho in the future. Also not getting Kloppp in the first place is a consequence of that) and so on.
Now the financial impacts of this rotting way of runing a club are slowly coming around the corner.
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Woodward lacking in many areas is not something new, the numbers I shared was reported by Liverpool journalist.
 
roonster09 said:
Woodward lacking in many areas is not something new, the numbers I shared was reported by Liverpool journalist.
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So do you think that these numbers are like a alarm sign for Woodward and Co?
My thesis is: They never were thinking of ambitious football, but only of money. And somehow believed that United is too big to fail and money will continue to float in no matter what. Now they face the truth that Uniteds decline leads also to a decline in money, slowly but surely.
 
.mica said:
So do you think that these numbers are like a alarm sign for Woodward and Co?
My thesis is: They never were thinking of ambitious football, but only of money. And somehow believed that United is too big to fail and money will continue to float in no matter what. Now they face the truth that Uniteds decline leads also to a decline in money, slowly but surely.
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I don't think these numbers are alarm or anything close to that. The deal ManUtd signed was long back, it was around 6-8 years back. Any big club that signs new contract now would be close or should be more than what was signed back then.

It's not that they think only about money, we spent more than any club except City and spend 2nd or 3rd most in wages. It's just that we have incompetent people running the club.
 
Ten Haag, Tuchel, Rose, Pochettino and Nagglesman are the blokes I think you should look at. Just don't look too hard at Ten Haag as I'd like him at Barcelona when the board sees sense and ditches Valverde.
 
Xaviesta said:
Ten Haag, Tuchel, Rose, Pochettino and Nagglesman are the blokes I think you should look at.
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That would be great and all, but as long as the board and Ed Woodward are making decisions at this club we are doomed.
 
spiriticon said:
Marcelo Bielsa if Ole has to go. I mean, we've at least GOT to be an upgrade on Leeds right?
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He would be a massive step in the right direction. At least you would see who is up for a fight quickly as he drills players to hell and back. Him or Poch would be a massive upgrade on the Smiling Noggie .
 
Eight from top ten threads right now are more or less focussed on the manager

fecking unreal.

Yes, I'm sure we could recruit a better coach/manager, maybe - but what better coach/manager would come here, now, under these fecking parasites who have zero interest in the clubs football? Klopp already turned us down as did Pep in NY and again has made it quite clear he wouldn't come near the place. It's a lot worse now than back then and still getting worse. Their pure focus is to bleed every cent out of the club as possible. They sit around in Florida, remote and untouchable whilst LVG, Jose, Ole and yes, even EW do their bidding and cop the flak. They want fecking shooting, never mind flying planes and banners over the ground. They need a fecking straightener.

We could get Poch in, though. That'd work.
 
Why haven’t we been linked with anyone. That’s the worrying thing!
 
Denis' cuff said:
Eight from top ten threads right now are more or less focussed on the manager

fecking unreal.

Yes, I'm sure we could recruit a better coach/manager, maybe - but what better coach/manager would come here, now, under these fecking parasites who have zero interest in the clubs football? Klopp already turned us down as did Pep in NY and again has made it quite clear he wouldn't come near the place. It's a lot worse now than back then and still getting worse. Their pure focus is to bleed every cent out of the club as possible. They sit around in Florida, remote and untouchable whilst LVG, Jose, Ole and yes, even EW do their bidding and cop the flak. They want fecking shooting, never mind flying planes and banners over the ground. They need a fecking straightener.

We could get Poch in, though. That'd work.
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We managed to get LVG over Spurs and Mourinho who still had a huge rep in the game. We are not going to struggle to get a top manager.
 
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Mainoldo said:
We managed to get LVG over Spurs and Mourinho who still had a huge rep in the game. We are not going to struggle to get a top manager.
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Spurs? :) 5/6 years ago? Well, you've convinced me there pal. That's the yardstick.

Jose always wanted the job.

So, who then?

And even if we manage to recruit a "top boss" after one season here, he'll b e wondering wtf he was thinking. But you know what, most don't give a feck anyway. Sacked with contract still running... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

fecked until this American/Jewish mob are ousted or bought out
 
Denis' cuff said:
Spurs? :) 5/6 years ago? Well, you've convinced me there pal. That's the yardstick.

Jose always wanted the job.

So, who then?

And even if we manage to recruit a "top boss" after one season here, he'll b e wondering wtf he was thinking. But you know what, most don't give a feck anyway. Sacked with contract still running... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

fecked until this American/Jewish mob are ousted or bought out
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I get that you are frustrated but what exactly does them being Jewish have to do do with anything?
 
Bojan11 said:
And what’s Ole done to warrant being a DOF?

Sign two English players that the world knew about. Wow, so impressive. Sure found some hidden gems.
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He is actually continued our not so proud tradition of wasting our transfer budget on average players in Post Sir Alex's era so there is that what else you need.
 
Poch, Rose or Tuchel if PSG depart with him.

For anyone thinking that a manager will make no difference, Leicester last season finished 9th 14 points behind us. They are now 2nd 14 points ahead of us. They achieved this with almost the exact same squad and a competent manager who has coached his way to success. I will not entertain any argument that no manager can change our fortunes when we have a relegation fodder in charge.

I'm not Ole out right now, if he can get top four he deserves another season or two. What I will not do is what many deluded portray and think Solskjaer is obtuse from criticism because the surnames of a few of our players aren't fancy pronunciations.
 
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