Unai Emery - Ex-Arsenal Manager

PepsiCola said:
The realistic aim for arsenal is securing top 4, don't think anyones expecting them to win the league.

But they're currently much closer to it than we are! I can't see the top 4 being any different to what it is currently, by season end.
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Ok let's suggest the aim for Arsenal is top 4 (its not by the way because that's why their fans wanted Wenger gone) then again when they don't finish top 4 you'll have to remind me what he's got right

And on Mourinho what exactly has he got wrong then given you're comparing him with a manager who's aim according to you is to finish top 4? Has Mourinho not successfully got UCL football in his two previous years? Or is it not the case the thing to get right for Mourinho was a title and you're comparing him to another manager who by your own accord only has to get top 4 to drive your own agenda?
 
charlenefan said:
Ok let's suggest the aim for Arsenal is top 4 (its not by the way because that's why their fans wanted Wenger gone) then again when they don't finish top 4 you'll have to remind me what he's got right

And on Mourinho what exactly has he got wrong then given you're comparing him with a manager who's aim according to you is to finish top 4? Has Mourinho not successfully got UCL football in his two previous years? Or is it not the case the thing to get right for Mourinho was a title and you're comparing him to another manager who by your own accord only has to get top 4 to drive your own agenda?
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Damn dude chill:lol::lol:

Their fans wanted Wenger gone because the club had stagnated. It's Emery's first season, given the signings made the aim is still just the top 4, no matter how you want to spin in. During Mourinho's first season (where we finished 6th) expectations were higher considering the signings we made and his reputation for instant success.

Are you seriously not seeing what Emery's got right? Did you see their third goal tonight? He's transformed the team style and they're playing beautiful football. It's better than anything I've seen under Mourinho for 3 whole seasons.

What's Mourinho got wrong? We're currently sitting in 10th with a quarter of the season gone, out of another title challenge and out of the league cup (to derby). It's his third season in charge. Add that, prior to the last two games where we played well after abandoning the initial game plan, we've been largely awful to watch.

You're kinda deluded if you're not seeing why the expectations are different for both managers. But stay on your outrage and stay miserable, power to ya. Sarri and Emery have gotten their teams playing well, and much higher than our side in the league, with a fraction of the time and budget Mourinho had.
 
Has done a great job, results apart, the way they play has changed drastically. The third goal today was an absolute beauty. Changing manager has done wonders for Arsenal, anyway is to soon to tell if they will win anything or be serious contenders in the future, but at least they are playing better way better than last year.
 
Thought their possession play and counter pressing was also quite impressive in the second leg. And their build up was decent, too. Maybe Emery turns out as an unexpected stroke of luck for Arsenal in the end. Not improbable that he simply couldn't install his ideas in PSGs star team and now that players finally accept his approach he shows what he's capable of again.
 
Some of the goals Arsenal scored tonight was like the old days from them. Slick, quick one touch passing was amazing to watch.

It's depressing at the same time though, I actually feel like we'll never play football like that even If we get rid of Mourinho because they aren't that many top quality coaches available (Zidane the exception but question marks about his style of football)
 
PepsiCola said:
Why has he been able to get it right in months, while the "serial winner" Mourinho needs 3+ seasons?
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Because Arsenal saw what happened here after Fergie and took steps to make sure that didn't happen there. That includes giving the coach the appropriate support structure. They hired away Barca's technical director (Sanllehi) as head of football relations and then promoted him to DoF after Gazidis left. They also hired away Dortmund's chief scout to head up player recruitment. 6 years on and we don't have either one of those positions filled.
 
I am pleasantly surprised. When things aren't going well the team doesn't "shake", they keep the strategy and don't lose the nerve. This wans't true in past seasons.

I still think we'll come short of top 4 because of our defense, but there's not much Emery can do about it.
 
liamp said:
Because Arsenal saw what happened here after Fergie and took steps to make sure that didn't happen there. That includes giving the coach the appropriate support structure. They hired away Barca's technical director (Sanllehi) as head of football relations and then promoted him to DoF after Gazidis left. They also hired away Dortmund's chief scout to head up player recruitment. 6 years on and we don't have either one of those positions filled.
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That's what happens when power hungry people own a cash cow.
 
Sky1981 said:
Ask any arsenal fans they'd trade their owner for ours
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Who cares about what Arsenal fans want?

The fact is we don't have proper footballing personnel on the board speaks volumes about how incompetent this board is. This board waited 9 months before sacking Moyes to save compensation.

Javier Ribalta didn't last long here. Everything is focused on money and football is secondary. FFS Woody openly says that on field performances don't really matter says it all about the mentality really.

Every now and then we hear about a fecking sponsorship. Every big club has a DoF. Who do we have here?
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
Who cares about what Arsenal fans want?

The fact is we don't have proper footballing personnel on the board speaks volumes about how incompetent this board is. This board waited 9 months before sacking Moyes to save compensation.

Javier Ribalta didn't last long here. Everything is focused on money and football is secondary. FFS Woody openly says that on field performances don't really matter says it all about the mentality really.

Every now and then we hear about a fecking sponsorship. Every big club has a DoF. Who do we have here?
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Saf charlton isnt a proper footballer personnel? They're the one who comes up with moyes.

And what about the united way of giving manager time? Sacking moyes after giving him 6 years contract after 3 mths?

What's wrong with developing the business side? We didnt get this far simply by on pitch performance as well, you want united to becomes the top club in the world then you also have to make sure you're ahead on the fame department.

Why blame woody for everything? He hired the best available manager and many of us agree with his choices back then, go ahead find those threads.
 
I haven't seen Arsenal this year yet but looks like Emery has really stoked a fire up their arses.

10 wins on the trot is nothing to sniff at. Emery could be just what the club needed.
 
So that's two managers who have completely transformed two sides in a space of months with zero big transfers.

Look at Emery, he has forced Cech into playing out from the back despite him being crap at it and conceded a couple of chances because of that insistence but it seems to be paying off. While our manager will always ask our CBs to hoof it Lukaku and then moan about them not playing like Beckenbauer.
 
Fridge chutney said:
I haven't seen Arsenal this year yet but looks like Emery has really stoked a fire up their arses.

10 wins on the trot is nothing to sniff at. Emery could be just what the club needed.
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Yes, think Emery was just not given much notice of given his underwhelming stint at PSG and the attention on Sarri. He's basically done what Jose was supposed to be doing with us.
 
Sky1981 said:
Ask any arsenal fans they'd trade their owner for ours
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Damn straight, the Glazers are much more willing to open their wallet then Silent Stan/Kreonke Sports Entertainment.

All of KSE's energy (and money) is being poured into the mega complex and stadium that they're building in LA.
 
SCP said:
I personally like him since Valencia and Sevilla. Don't know if it will workout to win major titles but they look more focused and oriented to their goals. And to think we have to play them Thursday with Peseiro as manager. :lol:
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We are gonna rest some players, so maybe a draw.
 
ErranMorad said:
Shocking that not every new manager needs half a billion pounds & a completely new squad before they can implement their style of play. How is it even possible?
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Yep. But Morinho needs more money to change things up. Heh.
 
I guess the team we had 2 years before was better than this Arsenal one. I mean it didn't need any changing.

Fair play to Arsenal but I like it has all been blown out of proportion just to prove some silly point about United.
Expected though.
 
PepsiCola said:
Damn dude chill:lol::lol:

Their fans wanted Wenger gone because the club had stagnated. It's Emery's first season, given the signings made the aim is still just the top 4, no matter how you want to spin in. During Mourinho's first season (where we finished 6th) expectations were higher considering the signings we made and his reputation for instant success.

Are you seriously not seeing what Emery's got right? Did you see their third goal tonight? He's transformed the team style and they're playing beautiful football. It's better than anything I've seen under Mourinho for 3 whole seasons.

What's Mourinho got wrong? We're currently sitting in 10th with a quarter of the season gone, out of another title challenge and out of the league cup (to derby). It's his third season in charge. Add that, prior to the last two games where we played well after abandoning the initial game plan, we've been largely awful to watch.

You're kinda deluded if you're not seeing why the expectations are different for both managers. But stay on your outrage and stay miserable, power to ya. Sarri and Emery have gotten their teams playing well, and much higher than our side in the league, with a fraction of the time and budget Mourinho had.
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Spot on
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
Who cares about what Arsenal fans want?

The fact is we don't have proper footballing personnel on the board speaks volumes about how incompetent this board is. This board waited 9 months before sacking Moyes to save compensation.

Javier Ribalta didn't last long here. Everything is focused on money and football is secondary. FFS Woody openly says that on field performances don't really matter says it all about the mentality really.

Every now and then we hear about a fecking sponsorship. Every big club has a DoF. Who do we have here?
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All of your complaints have nothing to do with tactics. Unless you're saying Arsenal ha e a better squad.
 
Kapardin said:
Yes, think Emery was just not given much notice of given his underwhelming stint at PSG and the attention on Sarri. He's basically done what Jose was supposed to be doing with us.
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Actually his winning record is quite similar to Blanc and Ancelotti, what changed the perceptions were the 2 last 16 exits vs Barcelona and Real Madrid while Blanc and Ancelotti went to the last 8 and that crazy season by Monaco where they really lost some points in the League where they normally wouldn't had lost.
 
Seeing them properly replace a long term manager makes me wonder how we'd have fared if we didn't bungle up Fergie's replacement.
 
Mint said:
If Emery wins a trophy before Klopp and Poch, they will both look like muppets.
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You look like a muppet with your comment. Emery has 3 Europa league titles with Sevilla the last one in the final against Klopp's Liverpool.
 
NinjaZombie said:
Seeing them properly replace a long term manager makes me wonder how we'd have fared if we didn't bungle up Fergie's replacement.
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Think a bit of it has to do with planning on another side, has to do with circumstances.
Think our failure to get a good DoF and plan squad building with a right profile of manager has killed us. We employed three distinct managers with almost nothing in common and told them to do what they will, with the squad.
Been a disaster really.
 
clear impact. meanwhile we are on our 3rd year with a bunch of money already spent , and still nada
 
NinjaZombie said:
Seeing them properly replace a long term manager makes me wonder how we'd have fared if we didn't bungle up Fergie's replacement.
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Moyes was obviously a bad choice to replace Fergie but I'd definitely say that Emery inherited a better squad than Moyes did. Wenger also bought Aubameyang and Lacazette in his last season, the former of which being their best player under Emery. Sure we made a mistake in hiring Moyes but we didn't really have a top team when Fergie left which left Moyes with a lot more to do.

Credit to Emery though, he's got his side playing great football and they're getting great results.
 
SCP said:
Actually his winning record is quite similar to Blanc and Ancelotti, what changed the perceptions were the 2 last 16 exits vs Barcelona and Real Madrid while Blanc and Ancelotti went to the last 8 and that crazy season by Monaco where they really lost some points in the League where they normally wouldn't had lost.
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Speaking of Blanc, I wouldn't mind having him here. His record with France and PSG is quite decent, and I reckon he can have an impact like Emery's Arsenal with our current squad.
 
PepsiCola said:
Damn dude chill:lol::lol:

Their fans wanted Wenger gone because the club had stagnated. It's Emery's first season, given the signings made the aim is still just the top 4, no matter how you want to spin in. During Mourinho's first season (where we finished 6th) expectations were higher considering the signings we made and his reputation for instant success.

Are you seriously not seeing what Emery's got right? Did you see their third goal tonight? He's transformed the team style and they're playing beautiful football. It's better than anything I've seen under Mourinho for 3 whole seasons.

What's Mourinho got wrong? We're currently sitting in 10th with a quarter of the season gone, out of another title challenge and out of the league cup (to derby). It's his third season in charge. Add that, prior to the last two games where we played well after abandoning the initial game plan, we've been largely awful to watch.

You're kinda deluded if you're not seeing why the expectations are different for both managers. But stay on your outrage and stay miserable, power to ya. Sarri and Emery have gotten their teams playing well, and much higher than our side in the league, with a fraction of the time and budget Mourinho had.
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Arsenal scored a goal in the Europa league last season every bit as good as the one tonight and against Fulham. They've always been capable of scoring goals like that.

Fact is you're claiming Emery has got it right at Arsenal after only a couple of months, despite the fact they actually lost their two hardest games. Unless you're a moron you cant compare someone who's been at a club for 3 years with someone who's been in the job 2 months. Arsenal are currently enjoying the new manager bounce most clubs go through, come back to me in 2 years and lets compare the jobs Mourinho did for us and Emery has done for Arsenal and then lets so who did the better
 
Kapardin said:
Speaking of Blanc, I wouldn't mind having him here. His record with France and PSG is quite decent, and I reckon he can have an impact like Emery's Arsenal with our current squad.
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Issue with Blanc is since 2016 he isn't working while Emery already worked under different contexts. Blanc as a coach only worked on France. Not dismissing it only saying they aren't exactly the same. Neither Ancelotti.
 
If the situation is reversed and emery manages us instead of mourinho and mourinho manages arsenal imo the situation will be the same. Arsenal doing better than us and we'll be scratchung our head why emery cant get our team playing well.
 
Panther said:
Moyes was obviously a bad choice to replace Fergie but I'd definitely say that Emery inherited a better squad than Moyes did. Wenger also bought Aubameyang and Lacazette in his last season, the former of which being their best player under Emery. Sure we made a mistake in hiring Moyes but we didn't really have a top team when Fergie left which left Moyes with a lot more to do.

Credit to Emery though, he's got his side playing great football and they're getting great results.
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"Didn't have a top team."

We just won the league. Sure that team was on a downward cycle, but a manager who knew what he was doing would've not bungled it up like Moyes did.
 
What Emery has going for him is 1.The fact everyone at Arsenal has brought into a transitional period.The expectation at Arsenal has been slightly lowered giving Emery and his staff a good level of breathing space.And 2. Arsenal still have a impressive array of offensive talent and a style that is fully ingrained into the clubs culture from the previous management.
I think you'd have to be a pretty bizarre coach to go into Arsenal and play a more toned down style of play,primarily because you're putting more pressure on a suspect back-four.
Going all gung-ho is a pretty good choice at present.

Emery isn't reinventing the wheel at Arsenal,he's just being street-smart.He knows their strengths and their weaknesses.Their strengths just happen to be up the oppositions side of the pitch rather than their own.
 
ErranMorad said:
Shocking that not every new manager needs half a billion pounds & a completely new squad before they can implement their style of play. How is it even possible?
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Could it be that the structure about those new managers is better than what we have at MUFC?
Moyes failed (though this was expected).
LVG failed (he got 1 trophy and 4th place in 2 seasons)
Jose is failing (he got 2 trophies and 2nd place in 2 seasons)

Yet, when you look at other teams who hire managers with lesser reputation - they hit the ground running. Even Jose arrived at CFC, got 3rd place, then won the title the next season.
Why are our managers failing?
 
We were an example of how not to do replace a long term manager which I imagine Arsenal looked at and decided to do the opposite.
 
Sky1981 said:
If the situation is reversed and emery manages us instead of mourinho and mourinho manages arsenal imo the situation will be the same. Arsenal doing better than us and we'll be scratchung our head why emery cant get our team playing well.
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Agreed.
And I believe the problem is the structure, around the club.
 
Didn't Arsenal put in place a DoF type fella before giving Wenger the heave ho? Someone with links to Dortmund that ok'd the Aubameyang and Mkhi deals? Seems like a much better way to handle this sort of transition then letting the manager and CEO leave at the same time then expect the new manager to hit the ground running, without any support/oversight of his transfer strategy.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Didn't Arsenal put in place a DoF type fella before giving Wenger the heave ho? Someone with links to Dortmund that ok'd the Aubameyang and Mkhi deals? Seems like a much better way to handle this sort of transition then letting the manager and CEO leave at the same time then expect the new manager to hit the ground running, without any support/oversight of his transfer strategy.
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Yes thats exactly what happened.
 
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