The debates mess was pretty inevitable really once UKIP got big.
UK General Election 2015 | Conservatives win with an overall majority
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They seemed to manage in Borgen.
*shrugs*
*shrugs*
Danes have the advantage of being far more comfortable within the multiparty system, the swines.
Ill kick the feck off if that happens. My year was the first year to have to pay 9k a year. I want more years to suffer.
Sky news have just released a projection for the election based on all current polls.
Result = Hung Parliament.
Commons projection.
Labour 282 seats. (44 short of majority)
Conservatives 270 seats.
Liberal Democrats 20 seats.
Scottish National Party 53 seats.
Plaid Cymru 3 seats.
UKIP 2 seats.
Green 1 seat.
Others 23 seats.
Interesting, although a long way to go yet. Manifestos need to be released and the TV debates will make a difference i'm sure. Obviously as it's from Sky it should be taken with a large pinch of salt. The BBC will be doing a similar projection soon.
Result = Hung Parliament.
Commons projection.
Labour 282 seats. (44 short of majority)
Conservatives 270 seats.
Liberal Democrats 20 seats.
Scottish National Party 53 seats.
Plaid Cymru 3 seats.
UKIP 2 seats.
Green 1 seat.
Others 23 seats.
Interesting, although a long way to go yet. Manifestos need to be released and the TV debates will make a difference i'm sure. Obviously as it's from Sky it should be taken with a large pinch of salt. The BBC will be doing a similar projection soon.
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Interesting. That would basically put Labour in a position where they have to rely on SNP. I still think SNP's forecast is too high there though - anywhere in the 40's is as high as I can see them going.
Like it or not, I think UKIP will win more than 2 seats.
Who on earth would vote labour after the last mess they left us all with?
Labour didn't make that mess it was down to global finance aka capitalist running dogs.
I'm definitely not voting for them, but who exactly would have avoided it?
Indeed. The finger can be pointed at both the Democrats and the Republicans for the root causes in the US. You could argue Brown could held more back, ie not gone as beserk with public spending to cushion the blow when it came.
Economist:'With half a decade’s hindsight, it is clear the crisis had multiple causes. The most obvious is the financiers themselves—especially the irrationally exuberant Anglo-Saxon sort, who claimed to have found a way to banish risk when in fact they had simply lost track of it. Central bankers and other regulators also bear blame, for it was they who tolerated this folly. The macroeconomic backdrop was important, too. The “Great Moderation”—years of low inflation and stable growth—fostered complacency and risk-taking. A “savings glut” in Asia pushed down global interest rates. Some research also implicates European banks, which borrowed greedily in American money markets before the crisis and used the funds to buy dodgy securities. All these factors came together to foster a surge of debt in what seemed to have become a less risky world.'
Tories saying "the mess Labour left" is one of the most disingenuous things you'll hear, after they pledged to match spending every step of the way (and I believe argued for further de-regulation). Unfortunately it's also one of the most successful lines of spin of the past 5 years, people fell for it en masse.
To be fair he had the UK out of recession with the splurge and doesn't the last 5 years prove that you end up owing just as much when you try the austerity track?
The conservatives said they would have the deficit down to zero and it would cause financial disaster if Labour only halved it.
So the thinking is we should all now vote for the party of capitalists because Labour was in charge when the capitalists fecked us the last time. Doesn't seem to make much sense to me.
Me and I'd do so twice if they would let me.
I really hope Labour can up their game.......definitely the lesser of two evils for me and I think we need to make rebuilding and reinvesting in the NHS the major issue
I'd agree it's likely but I wouldn't be too surprised if Carswell and Farage were the only ones to win seats. The rest of their candidates aren't that strong, Reckless included.
Reckon Lib Dems will hold on to a few more and SNP win a few less than the Sky prediction.
Would be very surprised if a parliament of that make-up lasted the full five years.
I'm not quite sure how sky news came across these figures. If its on a national poll level then the figures are meaningless, they have to be done on a seat by seat basis. Maybe they did, but they haven't shown how they got these figures of how people will vote. How people vote on a national level has small bearing on how seats are won, particularly for 3rd/4th parties. Google 'cube rule' also).
Sky news today had basically been about scaring the public into voting tory, or if you really have to vote for someone else make it labour, don't dare vote for lib dem/ukip or green.
They spent what felt like an hour (and knowing sky news this would be repeated bi-hourly) on explaining how a vote for SNP is a bote for a labour govt where they have to have a coalition with SNP and then you'll have those Scottish cnuts eho tried to bresk up the union running england, do whstever you do dont do that.
Sky news today had basically been about scaring the public into voting tory, or if you really have to vote for someone else make it labour, don't dare vote for lib dem/ukip or green.
They spent what felt like an hour (and knowing sky news this would be repeated bi-hourly) on explaining how a vote for SNP is a bote for a labour govt where they have to have a coalition with SNP and then you'll have those Scottish cnuts eho tried to bresk up the union running england, do whstever you do dont do that.
Conservatives are a joke, Cameron, Osborne and May are absolute clowns. Voting for these will result in more zero hour contracts, worsening of the credit rating, fecking up exams and exam boards. Not to mention the internet will probably be completely censored by the time their term is finished.
Labour are the lesser of two evils imo. Have no idea how Miliband got support of the Unions though, just can't take that guy seriously.
Labour are the lesser of two evils imo. Have no idea how Miliband got support of the Unions though, just can't take that guy seriously.
Conservatives have fecked this country up more than labour over the last 25 years or so.
Wasn't it more they didn't want his brother so backed ed instead
Yeah I think so.
I was talking more about the splurge in the good years. Darling did a decent job tbf though in '08.
QE was Bank of England not government anyway. Don't forget Brown's raid on pensions. They are not the party of the people.
On what basis?
No point in a Labour govt that implements Tory policies (see Blair)
The question isn't whether there will be a coalition it's who will form it.
UKIP and Conservatives would certainly join together.
Lib Dems? I'm swaying towards Labour mainly due to their popularity being decimated by the Tory coalition.
Greens and SNP would go with Labour but I can't see either picking up a huge amount of seats.
The worrying about this is that it's not Miliband or Cameron that will decide the result it's Sturgeon, Clegg or Farage
UKIP and Conservatives would certainly join together.
Lib Dems? I'm swaying towards Labour mainly due to their popularity being decimated by the Tory coalition.
Greens and SNP would go with Labour but I can't see either picking up a huge amount of seats.
The worrying about this is that it's not Miliband or Cameron that will decide the result it's Sturgeon, Clegg or Farage
I don't like either but at least the Tories didn't take us into an illegal war.
The question isn't whether there will be a coalition it's who will form it.
UKIP and Conservatives would certainly join together.
Lib Dems? I'm swaying towards Labour mainly due to their popularity being decimated by the Tory coalition.
Greens and SNP would go with Labour but I can't see either picking up a huge amount of seats.
The worrying about this is that it's not Miliband or Cameron that will decide the result it's Sturgeon, Clegg or Farage
Greens maybe not, but even the most pessimistic predictions for the SNP at the moment tend to have them winning more than 30 seats.
They would have if they were in power.
Their current polling suggests they might get 40-odd, they'll certainly be players in talks.The question isn't whether there will be a coalition it's who will form it.
UKIP and Conservatives would certainly join together.
Lib Dems? I'm swaying towards Labour mainly due to their popularity being decimated by the Tory coalition.
Greens and SNP would go with Labour but I can't see either picking up a huge amount of seats.
The most worrying thing for me is that it's not Miliband or Cameron that will decide the result it's Sturgeon, Clegg or Farage
Coalition isn't a certainty either, a minority government has a decent chance of happening. Labour don't particularly want a SNP coalition, at any rate.
If you're a millionaire or super rich then vote Conservatives by all means, because that's what they are for and what they clearly represent, much more so than Labour due to Union power. If you want to be a slave to corporations then vote for them as well.
As for
Torries privatised a boat load of massive industrial businesses such as British Steel, British Gas, British Telecom, British Rail etc etc and even now they fecking privatised the Royal Mail, and you can bet on what's coming next, that's right they will no doubt target health care and the NHS next. Just imagine now if Britian was in control of it's own Steel, Rail and gas right now, people maybe could actually afford gas bills and heating for their children maybe. The economy would be much better of as well. Other countries like Germany/Japan held onto their industrial businesses as well as car manufactures and thrived for the most part, they left Britian with nothing but it's financial sector to thrive on.
They have incredible short term thinking, especially back in the 80's and quite frankly have left this country in a much worse position than it should be in, Labour govt's inbetween certainly haven't helped the problem, but the main source spawned from those greedy torrie cnuts.
As for
Torries privatised a boat load of massive industrial businesses such as British Steel, British Gas, British Telecom, British Rail etc etc and even now they fecking privatised the Royal Mail, and you can bet on what's coming next, that's right they will no doubt target health care and the NHS next. Just imagine now if Britian was in control of it's own Steel, Rail and gas right now, people maybe could actually afford gas bills and heating for their children maybe. The economy would be much better of as well. Other countries like Germany/Japan held onto their industrial businesses as well as car manufactures and thrived for the most part, they left Britian with nothing but it's financial sector to thrive on.
They have incredible short term thinking, especially back in the 80's and quite frankly have left this country in a much worse position than it should be in, Labour govt's inbetween certainly haven't helped the problem, but the main source spawned from those greedy torrie cnuts.
They all voted for it and fecking Blair was a more Tory PM than Major or Cameron.
Yeah like bombing Libya and sending weapons to rebels in Syria and basically giving birth to ISIS, don't kid yourself mate, Torries are just as bad when it comes to illegal wars.
The Iraq war was pathetic by the USA and Britian, but one of the reasons that come up for the invasion is so we could set up a government that sells oil at reasonable prices, but at least the Americans got big massive contracts with companies in Iraq, wdf did we get out of that war lol? Blair had no bottle at all and he should be rightfully punished for war crimes and what not, hopefully when he inquiry is released. (Doubt he will though)
I'm not a political expert; why wouldn't the Greens side with labour?
No, I mean the seats part since you said neither will get a lot. SNP are quite likely to get a decent amount, but the Greens will struggle due to FPTP and will be lucky if they get one or two.
The greens are irrelevant
Ah I misunderstood. Shame really as the Greens in parliament would be noisy.