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I honestly think if they put up a candidate in every constituency that has a fracking application in and they said they would not go into a coalition unless fracking was immediately stopped and banned then they would win a fair few seats (mainly the nimby constituencys in the posh bits of the countryside) - but they really could be in the mix for coalition partners (especially if she comes off well in the debates and generally she does not come off as a slimey politician so it is probably a good thing for her to be in the debates (A bit like the clegg factor last time)Its in the mains to see if anyone fancies shopping it, but can't believe they are sticking to this shite line (and expanding on it). Next they'll be squeezing in Caroline Lucas.
I honestly think if they put up a candidate in every constituency that has a fracking application in and they said they would not go into a coalition unless fracking was immediately stopped and banned then they would win a fair few seats (mainly the nimby constituencys in the posh bits of the countryside) - but they really could be in the mix for coalition partners (especially if she comes off well in the debates and generally she does not come off as a slimey politician so it is probably a good thing for her to be in the debates (A bit like the clegg factor last time)
perhaps they are a bit afraid of digging their old ones out incase people actually remember what they saidReminds me of when the Tories last got voted out.
Their "New Labour, New Danger" campaign. It basically reads "our policies aren't worth promoting, so here's some scare tactics".
Thats fair enough - I'm against it for economic reasons myself but it does seem to be an issue for more and more people and an issue that plays well for the Greens so they would be daft not to what's the phrase "weaponise" itThat's probably fair. I think a lot of people are genuinely concerned about fracking for environmental reasons. If you chuck in all the people that are worried about the noise and blots on the landscape then you've probably got a large proportion of voters.
I remember having to write about this quite a bit around 2008-09. Seems a bit quiet these days though, barring the odd deal by L&G. Who did you work for then? Aon, Paternoster, Pru?As I say I worked around the world buying these schemes liabilities off employers throughout UK Europe and USA - all had different tax legislation and that was never really at the forefront of what were typically deals in the £10,000,000 - £100,000,000 range though sometimes more, it was always about de-risking and typically that driver was demographics and specifically the increase in living age (plus the long term reduction in guilt yields which is what typically backed the annuity they brought at the end was probably the second driving factor as the combination of the two was leading to quite a spike in costs).
By the way many american companies we looked at were in a far worse state than their English counterparts as there was not the same oversight of the schemes meaning that some had far bigger "black holes" in them - particularly companies which had downsized so now had quite a small workforce in comparison to their potential pension liabilities and we walked away from the vast majority of those deals
Not sure about that. Fracking in the UK is all but dead as a concept with the oil price where it is and if people are expecting a new world of $50-80 oil, not sure that is economic here is it? Am not sure many landed gentry types could bring themselves to vote green- they'd be too against all of their other policies and would rather have an oil well in their lawn than give up hunting and the like.I honestly think if they put up a candidate in every constituency that has a fracking application in and they said they would not go into a coalition unless fracking was immediately stopped and banned then they would win a fair few seats (mainly the nimby constituencys in the posh bits of the countryside) - but they really could be in the mix for coalition partners (especially if she comes off well in the debates and generally she does not come off as a slimey politician so it is probably a good thing for her to be in the debates (A bit like the clegg factor last time)
Not sure about that. Fracking in the UK is all but dead as a concept with the oil price where it is and if people are expecting a new world of $50-80 oil, not sure that is economic here is it? Am not sure many landed gentry types could bring themselves to vote green- they'd be too against all of their other policies and would rather have an oil well in their lawn than give up hunting and the like.
I remember having to write about this quite a bit around 2008-09. Seems a bit quiet these days though, barring the odd deal by L&G. Who did you work for then? Aon, Paternoster, Pru?
I guess the US schemes were even more gung ho on equities than the US causing the liabilities. Thought DB was more a UK thing to be honest with the yanks preferring a DIY 401k style approach?
Not sure about that. Fracking in the UK is all but dead as a concept with the oil price where it is and if people are expecting a new world of $50-80 oil, not sure that is economic here is it? Am not sure many landed gentry types could bring themselves to vote green- they'd be too against all of their other policies and would rather have an oil well in their lawn than give up hunting and the like.
Probably getting the licences sorted in the hope that the oil price rises, am guessing. It's not a cheap process and am sure they'd need oil to be at least north of $70-80.
I always vote. My wife never votes and it drives me mad even though it's her right not to. I read somewhere that if someone doesn't vote then that is more or less a vote for the party that is currently in power. I'm not sure though.As a person who is not a citizen of the UK, doesn't live in the UK, and of course can not vote in these elections, let me just say to those who can vote. Have at it. Vote. Don't really care who you vote for, not my place to tell you who to elect to lead your own nation, that is your business. So good luck to you and enjoy your right to vote.
Pru... DB is mainly a uk thing but some of the UK companies based in the states set up a similar scheme for employees over there which is mainly what I worked on at the time. - though we did look at getting some of the big US companies to reduce ongoing liabilities as well... GM being one which at the time I was there we thought would never happen
Having said that it finally did... the GM deal first popped up in around 1998 if I remember rightly but the timings were all wrong but that went through not long ago (2012 I think)
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/19/b...uyout-from-general-motors.html?pagewanted=all
June 6, 2012 6:48 pm
Prudential’s GM deal revives annuities
By Ajay Makan in New York
At a stroke last week Prudential Financial resuscitated a slumbering but potentially lucrative corner of the US insurance industry.The company agreed to take on as much as $26bn of pension liabilities from General Motors , for the assets backing the plan and cash payments that could total $3.5bn. The deal reduces the US carmaker’s pension liabilities by about a fifth
If completed, the GM transaction would eclipse anything seen before in the market for corporate annuities. The US pension insurance, or buyout, market is less developed than the UK’s. The last such US deal to involve the transfer of more than $1bn in liabilities was in the 1980s, according to Aon Hewitt, a consultancy.
But it could be the tip of the iceberg. With S&P 500 companies facing combined pension liabilities of $1.7tn, according to Credit Suisse, and US states and municipal governments also exposed to defined benefit schemes, some say the dam could be about to burst on such deals.
“This is a watershed moment,” says Rick Jones in the retirement plan division at Aon Hewitt. “The market has been in the doldrums for years but, if others companies follow GM’s lead, it could be worth trillions.”
For Prudential the deal represents the first fruits from setting up a pension risk transfer unit three years ago. The unit has grown to 100 employees, while people who worked on the GM deal say MetLife , American International Group and Principal Financial , among others, are also seeking such deals.
But while the financial crisis left gaping holes in corporate pension plans as the prices of plan assets tumbled, the annuity business has struggled to gain traction.
“Over the past few years especially, US corporations have been keen to transfer pension risk,” said David Zion, head of accounting research at Credit Suisse. “But the key question has been price: with interest rates low and markets volatile, it can cost a lot to offload these long-duration liabilities.”
GM will make payments of up to $4.5bn to its pension plan to fund lump sum payments to retirees who exit the pension scheme, and premiums to Prudential to assume liability for those who stay in the scheme. That will be partly balanced by a narrowing of the funding gap in the company’s pension plan, but the net cost to GM will still be $3bn.
The deal covers all 118,000 of GM’s “salaried”, or white collar, retirees. But GM has a further 400,000 “hourly”, or blue collar, retirees with defined benefits.
Bob Shanks, chief financial officer of Ford Motor , said this week that it had decided not to offload some of its pension liabilities because it did not have sufficient cash once plans for dividends and investments were taken into account.
Another obstacle to the deals is their complexity. Morgan Stanley , the lead adviser on the deal, had been working with GM on pension alternatives since 2010.
Oliver Wyman has been advising the independent fiduciary, which represents members of the pension plan, for at least six months, during which time at least four insurers submitted bids.
Prudential may have to set aside $2bn against the GM pension liabilities, according to Raymond James analysts. That would be equal to the excess capital of Prudential’s US insurance arm at the end of 2011. By comparison, MetLife ended 2011 with $3.5bn and Principal Financial held $1.6bn.
According to a GM filing, both it and Prudential could pull out of the deal before it is set to close at the end of the year if markets deteriorate and increase the total cash required to close the transaction.
Despite these hurdles, insurers are confident the symbolic value of the deal with GM, with total pension liabilities of more than $100bn, will lead others to follow suit.
Dylan Tyson, head of pension risk transfer at Prudential, says his company is in talks with several other large US companies about annuity deals, and expects further agreements this year.
According to Raymond James, even after capital allocations are taken into account, the GM deal could add as much as $200m a year to Prudential’s earnings.
“This [the GM deal] is not something that is going to happen every week,” says Steven Schwartz at Raymond James. “But we will see more deals, and when we do they will be meaningful for insurers’ earnings.”
As I said I'm against fracking on economic grounds - mainly its currently better to buy energy at the rates it is available than to pay more getting it out of the ground - also as with any new technology if you start in 10 years it will probably be twice as efficient so again more effective to do it then.
Lib Dem political broadcast on. Going to spend this campaign rebuilding the bridges they burnt in the last.
Blimey, not quite enough for Labour to govern with a minority government and the SNP promising to stay out of it. But enough for Labour and the SNP to govern together.Sky news have just released a projection for the election based on all current polls.
Result = Hung Parliament.
Commons projection.
Labour 282 seats. (44 short of majority)
Conservatives 270 seats.
Liberal Democrats 20 seats.
Scottish National Party 53 seats.
Plaid Cymru 3 seats.
UKIP 2 seats.
Green 1 seat.
Others 23 seats.
Interesting, although a long way to go yet. Manifestos need to be released and the TV debates will make a difference i'm sure. Obviously as it's from Sky it should be taken with a large pinch of salt. The BBC will be doing a similar projection soon.
For the first few - then its just rather mechanical and mathematical in analysing the liability under a range of scenarios I enjoyed working there are we were a very small team at the time but as it started to take off I started to loose interest in it a bit but luckily enough some other interesting opportunities crossed my path.Bloody hell, that was a huge deal. Fecking complex area to work in, but kind of interesting to get to nosy around companies' liabilities and what time pension workers there get. Didn't UK companies offered DB to overseas workers but makes sense I guess.
The annuities buyout market is picking up again over here with new individual annuities sales having fallen massively in light of the upcoming changes to retirement rules. It absolutely whacked a number of companies.
not sure the snp will win 53 - isnt there only 55 seats in Scotland anyway?Blimey, not quite enough for Labour to govern with a minority government and the SNP promising to stay out of it. But enough for Labour and the SNP to govern together.
Would be a cluster feck for sure.
Nah, I'm good.As a person who is not a citizen of the UK, doesn't live in the UK, and of course can not vote in these elections, let me just say to those who can vote. Have at it. Vote. Don't really care who you vote for, not my place to tell you who to elect to lead your own nation, that is your business. So good luck to you and enjoy your right to vote.
Nah, I'm good.
I don't think i'm registered any place at the moment. Probably won't have sorted it before the election either. Oh well.
Can't you put the Caf as your address?
It's pretty easy and quick, got mine through pretty quickly when I switched constituencies a couple of times - https://www.gov.uk/register-to-voteIt's not a UK address i'm struggling for pal.
perhaps they are a bit afraid of digging their old ones out incase people actually remember what they said
We gloss over any Labour lies or poor policy choices in this thread. Ed is 'weaponising' the NHS remember.They didn't cut the NHS though? Labour policy was to cut the NHS and they have actually done so in Wales.
They certainly didn't cut the deficit as much as they said they would thoughThey didn't cut the NHS though? Labour policy was to cut the NHS and they have actually done so in Wales.
They didn't cut the NHS though?.
'Tax them at a more reasonable level'? The whole idea of incentivising people to save for their retirement and not be reliant on the state is to offer tax incentives. Brown's taxation of dividends has creamed about £120bn from defined benefit schemes- the overall deficit of DB schemes is about £170bn. If he hadn't done that, a lot more of these schemes would be open enabling people to retire much more comfortably. I'm not talking about the super-rich either, just every day workers. Brown out-Tory-ed the Tories with that one.
Eh? Course they did. Reduced it from about 4% increase year on year to 0.1%. That's a cut.
I don't think you know what a "cut" means. If you have a budget of £100B and it stays at £100B it hasn't been cut, especially when the budgets of all the other departments were actually cut. I'm no fan of the Tories, but to say they cut the NHS Budget is just a lie.
If I give you an £100 a year allowance and a year later you get another £100 from me, you can't claim your allowance was cut because you didn't receive £110.
You would be right except for something fairly obvious you're overlooking. The cost of running the NHS increases each year. You literally have to spend more to deliver exactly the same services.
If you set the 'increase' in funding to the NHS at a rate lower than the increase in the amount it costs to run each year, then every year they get a smaller and smaller percentage of the money they actually need to run it. You have to reduce the amount of services you offer because of the reduction in money you were getting. That's a cut.
Of course the reason the Tories set it at 0.1% increase year on year is so they could claim 'they werent really cutting the NHS' and people would believe them.
You're trying to argue that a failure to increase is a cut in order to make a very partisan point. It's not just the NHS costs that increase every year, it's EVERYTHING involving money through inflation (the value of money itself) and market forces (the price of goods and services as set my the market)
By that argument we (everyone and every organisation) should be talking about everything in terms of cuts that doesn't see above inflation and above costs increases. Yet we're not, because we all recognise how disingenuous that is.
The normal thing is to compare budgets 'in real terms', that is taking inflation into account, as any other comparison is obviously meaningless.
It is people deliberately failing to do so that is disingenous.
We gloss over any Labour lies or poor policy choices in this thread. Ed is 'weaponising' the NHS remember.
Actually it's not at all normal to compare budgets "in real terms" because as I said, you need to take into account a damn sight more factors that just inflation, but market forces. Those are weasel words.
Otherwise what you're saying is that in 2010 when David Cameron promised to ring fence NHS spending and not cut the budget, what he was actually saying was that he'd give a blank cheque to the NHS to cover any inflationary pressures in the economy, increase or discrepancy in costs, or any emergency situations to ensure that services were maintained at their 2010 levels? And you think it would reasonable to take it that way, and more, for ANY politician to make a pledge like that?
Yeah, you're not making petty partisan points or being disingenuous at all are you.... /s
You're trying to argue that a failure to increase is a cut in order to make a very partisan point. It's not just the NHS costs that increase every year, it's EVERYTHING involving money through inflation (the value of money itself) and market forces (the price of goods and services as set my the market)
By that argument we (everyone and every organisation) should be talking about everything in terms of cuts that doesn't see above inflation and above costs increases. Yet we're not, because we all recognise how disingenuous that is.
During the 2010 election, the Conservative Party committed to a real time increase in funding of the NHS. However, whereas from 1949 to 2010, the increase in NHS expenditure was on average 4% above expenditure per annum, from 2011 to 2015, the increase in NHS expenditure was only 0.1%. The funding requirement has increased from £110 billion to £131 billion, and this has led to a funding gap of £20billion in 2015.
Source - http://londonfunders.org.uk/sites/default/files/images/23JulyREPORTnhscommissioning_0.pdf
The 'non-cut' the Tories have made will result in a £20 billion shortfall this year in the money needed to continue to run the NHS, a shortfall that would not have existed had the Tories not reduced the money the NHS were getting. That £20Bn shortfall can only be met by getting rid of staff and services. If you want to find a way that this doesn't constitute a cut, go for it.