What is it? Drama or documentary?
UK General Election 2015 | Conservatives win with an overall majority
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Drama, covering the 5 days after the last election.
Sounds worth a visit to 4od at some point.
I've stayed away from here for a while (mainly due to WW) and work and life, but also because I have found the build up to this election extremely depressing so far. It's started to get a bit American election style. I've also been really annoyed at the amount of people coming in to my pub that are openly supporting UKIP. We have a general rule and that's to not allow talk on Religion or Politics in the pub, but some tosser was banging his drum the other night. He actually said he would be happy to lose the NHS if it meant getting rid of all the immigrants, a few seemed to agree with him too. I was lost for words, and kept quiet or else I might have regretted my retort. He was also moaning about a proposal for new affordable housing in our area, despite it now being about 45-50% holiday homes and all houses are completely unaffordable to local families.
Now I come here and see the UKIP vote is up to 16.
Now I come here and see the UKIP vote is up to 16.
They're top of the calendar year league, mind.
YouGov poll ~ Of those who watched the Paxman interviews, 49% say Miliband was best, 34% Cameron.
I am going to have to watch them now. Cameron is awful when giving interviews so I'm not surprised, but I just thought more people just wouldn't give Ed a chance. His public image isn't the best.
I've checked Conservatives as I can't bring myself to vote for Labour any more. After their last time in and the seemingly shambolic way they are going now, I think we'd go backwards.
I've become more cynical, I signed up to vote but now I am a lot more apprehensive about the parties that appeal to my political leanings.
Getting rid of the NHS will see off the immigrants? That's muslamic raygun talk.I've stayed away from here for a while (mainly due to WW) and work and life, but also because I have found the build up to this election extremely depressing so far. It's started to get a bit American election style. I've also been really annoyed at the amount of people coming in to my pub that are openly supporting UKIP. We have a general rule and that's to not allow talk on Religion or Politics in the pub, but some tosser was banging his drum the other night. He actually said he would be happy to lose the NHS if it meant getting rid of all the immigrants, a few seemed to agree with him too. I was lost for words, and kept quiet or else I might have regretted my retort. He was also moaning about a proposal for new affordable housing in our area, despite it now being about 45-50% holiday homes and all houses are completely unaffordable to local families.
Now I come here and see the UKIP vote is up to 16.
I know. they were happy to vote UKIP even if it meant privatising the NHS, because UKIP will rid the country of those bloody foreigners!
I kept quiet.He seems to have ended up in an argument with Stan Colleymore and then posted this
He seems to have ended up in an argument with Stan Colleymore and then posted this
Well, Collymore was schooling him tbf. So an ad hominem retort seems the only way he can come back.
I'm really baffled by people thinking we'd go backwards under Labour, as much as I am unsure of them, I'm positive this privatisation of the NHS would either not be as "bad" or not happen at all. Although I'm kidding myself on the latter I reckon. We're already going backwards with Cameron and his little bitch Clegg, so what's the point in switching your vote?
Don't blame you. Some people can't be reasoned with and it's a waste of breath trying.I know. they were happy to vote UKIP even if it meant privatising the NHS, because UKIP will rid the country of those bloody foreigners!
Essentially due to the effectiveness of Tory PR.
They've demonised those on welfare and the poor so effectively, that most of the reasons I have heard of people switching is because of "scroungers". We have an entire bloody government of scroungers, does anyone even remember the expenses scandal?
It's disgusting how this has been allowed to happen.
Socially, they have dragged us back to the Victorian era. Although that was started by Thatcher really. Just unbelievable how people have lapped up this undeserving/deserving poor bullshit, I thought we'd moved past that in the 50s...
Cameron and his government are a joke, he's actually made this country even worse which is some feat I guess. I was actually shocked at the amount of people relying on food banks and quite frankly that is unacceptable in a country as "wealthy" as this. Also I hate it when Torries bang on about increasing employment when mostly that is down to zero hours contracts which doesn't really help the majority of people who have families to support and bills to pay.
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ons-for-cameron-and-miliband-armando-iannucci
Interesting article.
Interesting article.
Better one by David Mitchell.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/29/david-cameron-third-term-declaration-election
Or the experiences of the last Labour administration...
Did we never have zero hours contracts under Labour? Has 'almost all' of the employment growth come from these? Check the figures.
How has this government 'made it worse' and what would Labour have done better. They promised 'no more boom and bust' remember?
Dyed in the wool Labour voters make me laugh. It's long been a party of lawyers lapping up your union money while laughing in your face as they cosy up to big business.
Ask why Rachel Reeves said Labour 'is not the party of benefit claimants' and why the Institute of Public Policy Research queried Labour's planned 'punitive benefit cuts on the young jobless'.
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ons-for-cameron-and-miliband-armando-iannucci
Nope, pretty much still the PR.
Clement Attlee began as a lawyer, as it happens. Probably wouldn't have been elected these days, too awkward and weird.
Maybe 'awkward and weird' won't stop red ed. Do Labour not have pr for the bacon-gobbler?
for all the talk of austerity because of our debt maybe we should take a leaf our of Attlee's book.
Nope, that's Cameron's field of expertise unfortunately.
I find Miliband quite likable, both in terms of policy and personality. He's a genuine good guy.
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He's willing to contribute to the demonising of immigrants, when it suits. Same with those on benefits.
In fairness they hardly ever talk about the debt (the amount we owe in total)- only the deficit (the amount the debt is increasing by)
Nobody has announced any plans to pay down the debt (the annual interest of which is more than our entire defence budget per year) - the austerity plans are only to get the books (eventually) balanced.
I'd be happy with a straight 25% tax on basic wages and 50% on higher earnings if the extra revenue went on paying back the debt and securing a more prosperous future for my sons generation (and im a higher rate tax payer - but not one who would fall into the proposed 50% at 150k).
As far as I can see there is no party talking about paying back the actual debt that I can vote for on this occasion.
I glanced over my constituency's list of likely candidates the other day, and what an awfully lowering experience it turned out to be. lol
Save for rearranging a few deckchairs and being less honest about their intentions, what have they actually proposed that will see the country on a markedly better course? Which is before you get to the rather questionable competence of the shadow cabinet.
There are also the little things too, i recall that during the floods on the Somerset Levels not a single senior Labour figure was present.
This exaggerated privatisation debate is little more than a mythical monster with which Labour rouse the susceptible. So i am led to believe the scale of no-state involvement is somewhere in the region of 5.9%, and Andy Burnham, that complete windbag, won't even commit to the extent of any reduction. There is a looming affordability crisis (not helped by Labour and PFI i might add) yet campaigning is dominated by petty games. Defenders of the NHS? Fiddle. A marvellous con PERHAPS.
Save for rearranging a few deckchairs and being less honest about their intentions, what have they actually proposed that will see the country on a markedly better course? Which is before you get to the rather questionable competence of the shadow cabinet.
There are also the little things too, i recall that during the floods on the Somerset Levels not a single senior Labour figure was present.
This exaggerated privatisation debate is little more than a mythical monster with which Labour rouse the susceptible. So i am led to believe the scale of no-state involvement is somewhere in the region of 5.9%, and Andy Burnham, that complete windbag, won't even commit to the extent of any reduction. There is a looming affordability crisis (not helped by Labour and PFI i might add) yet campaigning is dominated by petty games. Defenders of the NHS? Fiddle. A marvellous con PERHAPS.
You looked at the political response to the flooding in Somerset and felt Labour were the ones who looked bad? Cameron was absolutely slated by his own supporters for failing to act quickly enough.
BBC 5Live had a panel of undecided voters from the North East earlier, the issues they raised were as follows:
Opposition to the HS2 project and the the current emphasis on Manchester.
Further job creation in the area.
Concerns at the prospect of SNP in coalition.
Immigration numbers.
Opposition to the HS2 project and the the current emphasis on Manchester.
Further job creation in the area.
Concerns at the prospect of SNP in coalition.
Immigration numbers.
Indeed he was, and most deservedly so.
Although whereas i suspect that some of the Tories/Lib Dems were genuinely concerned about the flooding, i very much doubt if the Labour shadow cabinet cared one iota (their response being indicative of such).
I'm rather sceptical of the idea that because they began to say the right things and put on their wellies when they realised they were becoming deeply unpopular in the area one can say they cared more about the issue than Labour.
No one really cares about Somerset. However, it was the governments job to help them and the feeling was they failed to do so properly (I know nothing about the effects of flooding - not a clue how much of a difference earlier intervention could've made).
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
This is the sort of problem that arises whenever a stalking horse like Farage is curiously given wholly undeserved media prominence: when subjects like the above are constantly highlighted by one party, the others are reluctant to seem 'weak' in the eyes of the public. Farage in particular is a useful idiot for certain interests.
With regards to immigration at least, What damage Labour has sustained to its credibility is mostly of its making i would say. Farage is an unwelcome reminder of the party's gross errors in the past, decisions which provided plentiful fuel for UKIP's rise.
ETA:Labour has apparently trodden on several sets of toes in the business community today. Rather unprofessional of the campaign team.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...f-Britains-biggest-companies-over-advert.html
Why they are so awkward and bumbling when it comes to the EU i have no idea, even the Greens hold a more honest position.
ETA:Labour has apparently trodden on several sets of toes in the business community today. Rather unprofessional of the campaign team.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...f-Britains-biggest-companies-over-advert.html
Why they are so awkward and bumbling when it comes to the EU i have no idea, even the Greens hold a more honest position.
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What a bizarre analysis. Labour aren't awkward and bumbling over the EU - that's the Tories who know full well leaving the EU would be an economic disaster but continue to flirt with exit to pander to their right wingers and UKIP voters.
ITV has released the order in which the leaders of the debate on Thursday will be standing:
Bennett, Clegg, Farage, Miliband, Wood, Sturgeon, Cameron.
Bennett, Clegg, Farage, Miliband, Wood, Sturgeon, Cameron.
Cameron said:
F*ck me, you'd think Ed was sodding Stalin or Fred West...