Both. When I was in school when the election happened we were all hoping they'd side with Labour, then they signed with the tories. We then foolishly hoped, although I was skeptical during the protests, that they would limit the tories and would vote not to raise tuition fees. But they did.
UK General Election 2015 | Conservatives win with an overall majority
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Don't you Brits have early voting and mail ballots that can be sent a week, even a month, before the election?
The only argument for FPTTP is that it gives stable majorities more often that PR.
Anyone else think @Jippy hasn't surfaced as he's off on a Wolf of Wall St style binge today?
http://www.localgov.co.uk/Survey-sh...ability-turned-away-at-polling-stations/37378
Hardly anyone does it though, plus royal mail has gone down the shitter thanks to the tories.
I think if people are honest with themselves then pretty much everyone will do this - myself included. You look after your family first and foremost. Everyone else comes second.
I agree with that. Depressing how many millions of votes are cast by people who genuinely have no clue about the policies of the party they're voting for.
Naah. You think majority of Labour voters on here have voted for the party because they're worried that their welfare bill might go down under the Tories? We're a pretty middle-class forum.
This is all water under the bridge now and I have no energy to defend the LibDems anymore, its not worth it anyway given what happened last night, obviously more people feel the way you do about it than dont. But I think over the next 5 years people will see what a moderating force the LibDems were on the last government. Though even then I doubt they will get any credit for it.
indeed - I dont know about oher people who had council elections at the same time but my gneral election selection (head - Labour) was certainly different to my council selection (heart - Green)
More's the pity
I feel weird. I'm feeling tired and a little upset. However, at the same time, I don't think the Tories will do as bad a job as some are making out and from a personal point of view, they'll probably help my personal situation more than Labour would.
Also on thinking, while right now, I don't want to, I can envisage myself voting Tory in the future. There are some that rule out ever voting for them, but I don't think I could make such a claim.
Meh, I don't even know what I'm on about
Also on thinking, while right now, I don't want to, I can envisage myself voting Tory in the future. There are some that rule out ever voting for them, but I don't think I could make such a claim.
Meh, I don't even know what I'm on about
They weren't a moderating force at all from my point of view, they did nothing but cry excuses to the media and break promises.
Don't be ridiculous.
They've been used before, to keep black people from voting in the Jim Crow era.
Trouble is, so's the devil.
And yet even the idea of a 'majority' government under FPTP is farcical because it would have been propped up by 35% of the vote.
I'm not being entirely serious but I do think a huge amount of votes are cast based on spurious reasons. Anything that results in (or even forces) a better informed electorate can't be all bad, surely?
That is what most people think, I disagree with it but Im in the minority. As I said, we'll see what the Tories do when theyre on their own and how it compares to the last 5 years, you may well be right and it might be more of the same, but I think they would go further with cuts and attacks on civil liberties.
Yes, I wish I had done it this time round as I just had a 5 minute window to vote before I went to work in the morning. Had to travel around for work that day.
Not exactly your average middle class voter who is feeling the gradual lean to the right as you age then
I'm in a similar boat thanks to having spent the last 15 years working overseas which allowed us to put enough by to ensure we will be OK and our daughter will not have that great a struggle. Redundancy last year and the fact we've got 1 parent on my side and 1 on my wife's who are both struggling with alzheimers did make us look much harder at what her life would be like if we weren't able to provide for her though.
We're in the soft white underbelly of England in Tunbridge Wells and the housing figures are about right. I bought my first house 20 years ago for £45k at a time when my graduate salary of £12.5k had just risen to £20k. Flogged it for £95k when I married 2 years later and stuck another £20k on for a bigger place which is now valued at £350k. My daughter's starting salary upon graduation was barely better than mine from 25 years ago and even adding on her boyfriend's salary they'd be looking at the sort of figures I raised if they wanted to buy. I couldn't get a new mortgage from scratch for my place on my salary now, which is a long way above the national average but then neither could an MP on their salary of £67k which highlights quite how out of whack salaries versus housing costs are.
The notion of polling stations in todays world is bizarre. Online voting should be here and there's no excuse for it not to be.
The liberal democrats really did nothing, I mean what did they curtail? Nothing much, they were just there to be whipping boys. I mean who would vote for a party as spineless as them? Vince Clarke in the media was a man with excuses everytime he was trying to justify himself and conservative policies and it was just pathetic.
To be fair, under PR (and coalitions in general), no one gets the government they really wanted.
In this case 35% of the public voted for a Tory government and got one.
Under PR, 35% of the public would have voted Tory and got a Tory-UKIP or Tory-Lib Dem (with UKIP agreeing not to vote) hybrid, that is neither Tory nor Lib Dem nor UKIP
330 votes?! fecks sake Britain.
Particularly with the majority so low that Cameron's now beholden to his right wing, who are fully aware of that fact and far less likely than the Lib Dems to ignore that bargaining power for the sake of unity.
I know a worrying number of people who voted Tory on the basis that they think Miliband would look 'odd' as PM. Then there were others who fell for the ridiculuous fear-mongering from the media and genuinely believed Labour were behind the recession, and that the SNP would spearhead a socialist front in Westminster.
Democracy is wasted on some people.
Surely allowing idiots equal right to vote is one of the key features of democracy? People are allowed to vote for who they want and for whatever reason they want. Anybody who start throwing up random obstacles in their path is treading on fairly shaky ethical grounds, I'd have thought.
To be fair, it's hard to hack a piece of paper.
And honestly, I think it might be easier to do it at polling stations.
The Government Gateway, for example, requires a complex password that you have to change every year. http://www.gateway.gov.uk/ (Because it holds personal information)
Although the Vehicle Tax/MOT checker needs only the number plate and the make https://www.gov.uk/check-vehicle-tax
It's obvious which groups in society are going to have their voices limited if voting rights are based on intelligence (or any set criteria). What sort of society do you see that producing?
Alternatively, under PR, the majority of people have representation in the governent.
Under FPTP - Conservatives constitute the majority despite 65% of voters not wanting them elected.
Under PR - At least 50% 0f the population will have their chosen party in government.
It's bizarre to blame Scottish voters for that instead of the English voters who bought into the scaremongering.
Plus there are usually pre-set alliances as they have to be honest that no-one will win a majority, so voters are usually aware of what government they're voting for.
Fitting...
And the labour party who didn't tell either set of people what they wanted to hear.
Not exactly your average middle class voter who is feeling the gradual lean to the right as you age then
I'm in a similar boat thanks to having spent the last 15 years working overseas which allowed us to put enough by to ensure we will be OK and our daughter will not have that great a struggle. Redundancy last year and the fact we've got 1 parent on my side and 1 on my wife's who are both struggling with alzheimers did make us look much harder at what her life would be like if we weren't able to provide for her though.
We're in the soft white underbelly of England in Tunbridge Wells and the housing figures are about right. I bought my first house 20 years ago for £45k at a time when my graduate salary of £12.5k had just risen to £20k. Flogged it for £95k when I married 2 years later and stuck another £20k on for a bigger place which is now valued at £350k. My daughter's starting salary upon graduation was barely better than mine from 25 years ago and even adding on her boyfriend's salary they'd be looking at the sort of figures I raised if they wanted to buy. I couldn't get a new mortgage from scratch for my place on my salary now, which is a long way above the national average but then neither could an MP on their salary of £67k which highlights quite how out of whack salaries versus housing costs are.
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I think it is fair to say there needs to be something to redress the housing price differential between the north and the south - though until you bring more big business up north then I think the market will always outpace any measures put in place... there is quite a difference in what £350K would get you!
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-50333546.html
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-45198404.html
Its going to be such a tough one to solve though as any building policy will take decades to readdress the supply issue and things like hs2 who are desined to help bring business north are again decades away... chronic underinvestment from governments of both colours for decades
Youve just said the same thing you said before again, and as I said before, you are entitled you to your opinion, you are hardly alone in holding it.
Though really none of us have any idea what the Lib Dems blocked or waved through, do we? We know what cuts we saw and we can speculate that they just waved them through or fought against them or watered them down, I dont know for sure which it was and neither do you. But I believe what I believe because I know what the party stands for.
It always amuses me, this perception that the LibDems seized their opportunity to enjoy a bit of power, at the expense of their political principles. Despite the fact that, if it was power they were after, youd have thought they would have had a better plan to attain it than joining the Liberal Democrats.