Really?
fecking hell, I see why post people don't bother with all this. It's just not worth the hassle!
UK General Election 2015 | Conservatives win with an overall majority
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Really?
fecking hell, I see why post people don't bother with all this. It's just not worth the hassle!
Well you don't seem very happy. And perhaps you need to learn to read a little better if that last question was serious
Of course I'm unhappy. The party that makes the poor poorer and the rich richer just got in. The party that cruelly thinks hunting is a "sport" just got in. I strongly stand against these things and think they're utterly detestable.
"Unless you'd rather I didn't vote at all? Or went with whatever the Sun or all that says?" That clearly reads as "unless you'd rather I voted for whatever the Sun said?". The Sun was strongly backing the Tories, so, like I said... "you did go with what the Sun said".
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Good morning, afternoon, whatever it may be. 
So Cameron got his majority, surprisingly impressive considering he appeared to take the first half of campaigning off. Turnout actually rose in my constituency i gather, nudging 70% i believe, and for years i had been predicting the contrary.
The EU will have been hoping for a Labour win or a Tory coalition without a referendum, it should be interesting to see how they react now that the threat of the UK's exit has taken on a more vivid aspect. As a EUrosceptic i am trying to optimistic in this quarter.
Perhaps i have been unusually fortunate as these things go, as not only have i been spared a trip along to see Atos, but further my DLA payments have increased.
I simply believe that they'll look to many other benefits before they turn their gaze toward disability contributions, and even then it woudl be means testing for which the oppo approve elsewhere.
So Cameron got his majority, surprisingly impressive considering he appeared to take the first half of campaigning off. Turnout actually rose in my constituency i gather, nudging 70% i believe, and for years i had been predicting the contrary.
The EU will have been hoping for a Labour win or a Tory coalition without a referendum, it should be interesting to see how they react now that the threat of the UK's exit has taken on a more vivid aspect. As a EUrosceptic i am trying to optimistic in this quarter.
Damaging?
They've dragged the disabled through hell over the past 5 years and their vote has gone up!
Perhaps i have been unusually fortunate as these things go, as not only have i been spared a trip along to see Atos, but further my DLA payments have increased.
I simply believe that they'll look to many other benefits before they turn their gaze toward disability contributions, and even then it woudl be means testing for which the oppo approve elsewhere.
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He's too easy a scapegoat. The way people act you'd think he was the first politician to ever renege on a promise. We'll miss him now he's gone, he was holding the Tories back. He's the hero we deserved, but not the one we need right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A...hold on.
Really?
fecking hell, I see why post people don't bother with all this. It's just not worth the hassle!
To be fair, you did play on the 'I hire a guy who is Polish so I know' and 'I guess I just have a better view of what's really going on that most cause of who is in my social circle' - obviously I'm paraphrasing but that was the jist of it.
I'm done with this thread now. It's just too much bother when people just want to get all angry and take everything out of context whilst not actually reading.
Pm me later and I'll be happy to sit down and think about what drove me and talk about it.
Really?
fecking hell, I see why post people don't bother with all this. It's just not worth the hassle!
I'm only ribbing you a little bit, but without traipsing back through the thread you did say something to that effect didn't you? Fair enough if you wish to back track on it.
Don't think you ever said. Who did you vote for in the end @Nick 0208 Ldn?
CISTA. He definitely voted CISTA.
No, I said broader and perhaps I should of made it clearer I was obviously talking about my particular bubble.
On the immigration issue I was trying to make it clear more why I think people have fears, than my own. Immigration is a mess because it's not a fair system to me, but that doesn't mean I want less or more or any of that nonsense, it means far equal working opportunites for everyone, something we struggle with in my trade sadly. That's not the immigrants faults, that's not blame, I hire enough people from all sorts of cultures and I want to beable to continue to pay a fair wage to whoever I employ. It's that simple from my pov.
Of course I'm unhappy. The party that makes the poor poorer and the rich richer just got in. The party that cruelly thinks hunting is a "sport" just got in. I strongly stand against these things and think they're utterly detestable.
"Unless you'd rather I didn't vote at all? Or went with whatever the Sun or all that says?" That clearly reads as "unless you'd rather I voted for whatever the Sun said?". The Sun was strongly backing the Tories, so, like I said... "you did go with what the Sun said".
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You can vote for the Conservatives and not just because of the lines peddled in The Sun...obviously.
How is that not the same? It's just another way of you saying that you were in a more informed position than other voters.
Every Tory grandee thus far on TV is talking about the one nation politics. This is undisguised Unionism and attacking Scottish nationalism. They say they were not prepared for this outcome but they sound well prepared. They are focusing all their attack on the Scots Nationals. This isn't good.
No, you took it out of context plus I clearly didn't make the perspective I was coming from clear enough. That's on me, but I've responded to Locka above and hopefully that makes a bit more sense.
Well on certain issues maybe I am. On other issues I'm far less informed. Of course.
Besides, there's nothing wrong with offering a view point different to the norm. Like I said when I got in here this morning there was lots of slagging off of Tory voters and in a few rushed messages tried to point out that maybe people don't have the same perspective. I just don't think it's healthy to any debate or politics when people are brushed off, especially thanks to the likes of Ukip.
Correct. The way he put it across was as if "would I prefer if he voted for whatever party the Sun was telling him to?" when in fact he did vote for the party The Sun wanted him to. Whether they impacted his decision who knows.
I would have voted if they'd sent the ballot paper more than 1 day before the election
All in all as good a day as could be hoped for. With the expected economic downturn coming the country could not have coped with more spending.
All in all as good a day as could be hoped for. With the expected economic downturn coming the country could not have coped with more spending.
For what it's worth lambs your posts are one of the few things that have given me a jot of hope this morning, that there may be a clear section of the electorate that could happily return to Labour given enough encouragement. One of my best mates voted Tory so I know their voters aren't all bellends, and I think Labour's focus should be on understanding them and attempting to create a fair solution to their concerns rather than dismissing them as unreconstructed cretins. Miliband half-heartedly tried this but obviously wasn't convincing enough and had flaws elsewhere that dominated the discussion. UKIP has taken far more from Labour than expected and centrist Lib Dems have taken the option of Tory safety rather than Labour, so a repositioning is certainly necessary if they want to see power again.
Of course I'm unhappy. The party that makes the poor poorer and the rich richer just got in. The party that cruelly thinks hunting is a "sport" just got in. I strongly stand against these things and think they're utterly detestable.
"Unless you'd rather I didn't vote at all? Or went with whatever the Sun or all that says?" That clearly reads as "unless you'd rather I voted for whatever the Sun said?". The Sun was strongly backing the Tories, so, like I said... "you did go with what the Sun said".
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I don't read the sun. My point was I could just follow them or any newspaper and vote, but I don't and I have my reasons. I'd rather have reasons than just not voting or following what I'm told. Maybe I'm wrong there.
You keep ignoring the other points I make, which suits your m.o.
I sort of did in a round about way, i think.
I stood by what i said back in 2011 and took my vote away from the Tories on this occasion, giving it to the Greens. The pencil made a several circuits of the ballot before i eventually decided. It was not an ideal situation to be in, the English incarnation isn't even a particularly sensible or imposing Green Party.Had there been a Labour threat locally perhaps my convictions would have been tested, as it was i never had to contend with such a choice.
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Well apparantly enlightened Labour voters don't care what I have to say. Go figure eh?
Sadly I can't see it changing any time soon, but you are right that I'd gladly vote Labour again in the future. This is the first time in my life I haven't.
I suppose I'm an idiot then.
Speaking of ignoring... are you going to tell me which of their policies specifically made some who aligns themselves with Labour to vote Tory? It must be a good one and I'm intrigued.
I doubt I'll get the answer mind.
Edit: Which of your "points" have I actually ignored?
As a qualified financial adviser (who formerly worked in an actuarial capacity for the Annuity division of a leading life insurer) before working for an investment bank in a trading role with what I think most people would describe as significant assets spread over several countries I'm fairly confident that my assets will reach my kids and its likely I will be sending him to private schools so I think its probable there will be a bit of a start... eg point two I have enough put aside already to buy him a house (in a non uk trust fund so even if I die its considered outside my estate for inheritance tax purposes - as well as the houses in the UK China Spain and Thailand he would inherit) - I am frankly pretty well off due to a mixture of luck, taking some opportunities and hard work - I would demographically be described as a conservative voter - I would from my upbringing be described as a classic Labour voter as my family were union reps and miners.
I find some of your ascertations as to what will and wont happen generally plausable, however, my point is we vote based on our individual circumstances - My priority is primarily my family and secondly my business - though the two are very often intertwined - the macro socioeconomic features you describe effect all our circumstances differently so to be honest they make little difference to me - I doubt my son will be based in the UK - he has chinese citizenship and although you never know for certain I'd be less surprised if he grew up and worked there than I would be if he was in the UK - I doubt I will be in the UK when I retire from business - infact I doubt I will spend more than 3 months in any one country as I don't want to be resident for tax purposes and I have sufficient resources to facilitate that - being told my assets wont reach my kids may suit your narrative but I dont care about a lurch to the left or right for british politics - I think society might be nicer if there was a move towards some of the greens ideals but at the same time Im not going to vote for that as they would want to absolutely rape my wage / dividends / investments / assets and I care far more about my family than everybody elses.
Finally one quick point ref the mortgages...
If average house prices are just under 200k
http://www.expressandstar.com/business/uk-money/2015/05/08/average-house-price-up-to-196400/
and average wages are circa £25K I think you may want to revisit the 15X salary and 2X deposit figures as for a couple both earning £25k that equates to £850K...
You won't. I couldn't care less about you and your questions, since you just want an argument.
Keep fighting the good fight.
In terms of swing voters, I would assume that a lot of it is to do with people still scarred by the financial collapse. There's an awful lot of people out there living in negative equity, or with a decimated pension pot or unemployed kids that thought they were set for lifelong prosperity when Labour was last in power. So it's not a huge surprise that they're reluctant to stick with the party that was in charge when the shit went down. Those scars will take a very long time to heal, no matter how put off they might be by the Conservatives heavy-handed efforts to get the economy back afloat.
Sit back and think of Stella. Very glad I'm not in today, my boss has been bellowing for a couple of weeks that the Tories need to get back in or we're all fecked and Ed Miliband can't even eat a sandwich, so I daren't think what's going on there right now. Well done on the bet as well.
If the Beer, Baccy and Scratchings party had been on there, would you have been tempted? I remember in 2010 in this equivalent thread you were very hopeful of a Tory majority all night, so I'm sure you're not too displeased with the result overall!I sort of did in a round about way, i think.
True .But that may still not be enough.
How do I just want an argument when I'm actively seeking discussion on specific policies? If I wanted an argument I wouldn't even care why you voted for them...
A genuine WTF comment...
I think it's fair to say you're definitely not representative of the average voter, no matter what age you are!
On that regard I don't think Labour went anywhere near far enough in combating the thought that the meltdown was all their fault.
Nah, parties know that the first and biggest mistake you can make after an election loss is to say that it was the electorate that was wrong, not your party. Bear in mind there are a lot of semi shellshocked voters here and elsewhere that saw what turned from a likely Labour victory into a crushing defeat within a few hours. Emotions running high, etc.
Read back all your replies to me. Whether or not I've explained myself clearly enough, you just don't seem to even slightly want to take onboard anything I've said.
So there's just no point in this at all.
Listening to newshour at the moment, what's the problem with a move towards more federalism?
I get that mate. Maybe I'll be happy to try and explain what I think happened again when all the finger pointing has stopped.
indeed - I never claim to be... but I think the average voter still votes on what is best for them
I am in a very privileged position - I love my job and I earn good money which comes after a career I didnt much like but paid obscene money - do I care about minimum wage - no honestly I couldnt care less, the lowest wage i pay an employee is about 35K plus car + expenses and bonus so its not even on my radar.
I have no idea how people live on it though and I think its scandalous that its lower than what is deemed a living wage - I have no problem in my taxes being used to help address that issue rather than buy trident etc but when it comes to me casting my vote I will always look at my own circumstances and say well what is going to be best for my family and then vote on that basis.
Why won't you answer the question?
Just stop, clearly you are going nowhere with this.