Amongst young people yeah, sure. We don't vote though. Then you factor in people of all generations who barely even know what they're voting for.
UK General Election 2015 | Conservatives win with an overall majority
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Amongst young people yeah, sure. We don't vote though. Then you factor in people of all generations who barely even know what they're voting for.
Again, it's not that countries will cease trading - it's the belief that we'll be able to just hand-pick and trade with whoever we want, and they'll just go along with it, because we're the UK.
I said last night that it's definitely the older generation that I feel have the biggest effect in that sense.
But is it a case where in 20 years time the older generation who is labour now will move to the right? Is that just generally something that happens with age?
That is ridiculous when you think about it. The system is fecked.
I would have thought so too but based on the way the SNP was strengthened after the Independence referendum went in Scotland, I wouldn't want to have money on it. It depends on how the referendum is handled by those pushing to stay. If they focus on the positives and people don't fall for lazy arguments, it should be decisive like you say.
Plus I would imagine the majority of the newspapers in the UK will take the side of UKIP and build them up to appear the underdog against the political establishment. That might help them if the government is unpopular at the time of the next election.
I dunno man, I imagine there will still be a far larger portion of the electorate who don't actually vote on policies by then.
Quite likely. I think @Pogue Mahone had a thread about this a while ago.
But if the non voters who supposedly get all of the crap cant be bothered to vote then they have noone to blame but themselves. In fact anyone who doesnt vote can have no complaints about anything.
In a word 'no'. First, the Tory grandees are pro unionist with strong Scottish links. Second, the Tories have picked up on English feelings at Scottish 'behaviour'. Third, remember the miners - the Tories have a great propensity for exacting revenge. Watch the battle over budgets in Westminster, the Scots will have no bargaining powers but fought to be in Westminster politics. This election has backfired for everyone and the SNP except the Tories.
We'll have talent contests hosted by the severed heads of One Direction (à la Futurama) to decide who to elect by then.
indeed it is - as you become richer and you have a family etc there is a tendency to drift to more conservative policies - I voted labour but honestly I have a child and essentially whoever allows me to protect all / the most of my money and assets to pass on to them will win my vote over any grander ideas of social justice.
Two big issues are european businesses that work across multiple countries within the EU, and businesses from outside the EU that might use the UK as their primary base of operations for Europe. That includes a lot of multinationals. If we left the EU, businesses working in the UK for either of those reasons would of course have no reason to continue.
I would imagine simple country to country import and export of widgets wouldn't be particularly affected, though of course it would depend on what kind of trade agreements the UK is able to negotiate with the EU if it were to leave.
We dont even need proper PR. Just having 3/4 candidates going for each consistency (and combining around 3/4 consistencies together) would give:
1) Lots of UKIP seats.
2) Lots of Lib Dem seats.
3) Lots of Green seats.
4) Labour seats in Scotland
5) Conservative seats in Scotland.
6) Labour seats in the South East.
7) Conservative seats in the North.
Oh, and everyone would have 3 MPs to go to when they have a problem instead of 1 (who might be useless)
Don't sound like there are any Labour-supporting hecklers outside the gates this time round.
It's the baby boomers(People born between 1946 and 1964) my friend, that are fecking us over. Also helps that they vote in big numbers.
As for getting more right wing the older you get, there does seem to be some truth to it although you also get richer when you get older(Rich people always then to be more right wing). Which is unlikely to happen to my generation.
Is this a soggy biscuit at boarding school story?
Never felt this unhappy to live in Britain before.
The thought that keeps going through my mind is "Thatcher won". She didn't just win elections, she moved the English to the rigfht and made the Scots feel they had to escape. Blair succeeded by following her but with more public spending but that was just papering over the cracks. England is right of centre. Scotland has to leave and will. It will be at least 15 years before the Tory consensus in England falls.
/optimism.
The thought that keeps going through my mind is "Thatcher won". She didn't just win elections, she moved the English to the rigfht and made the Scots feel they had to escape. Blair succeeded by following her but with more public spending but that was just papering over the cracks. England is right of centre. Scotland has to leave and will. It will be at least 15 years before the Tory consensus in England falls.
/optimism.
I laughed at Cameron saying it was a "typically generous" gesture from Miliband to call him and congratulate him. You led one of the most sickening smear campaigns against him you cruel, snob c*nt.
Cameron: Britain, single party mandate, fairness to England, the EEC and the UNITED Kingdom - all one nation politics!!
Nick Robinson. 
Yeah, Cameron and his party were extremely nasty to Miliband throughout this campaign. Of course, we'll get no mention of that now.
great great granddad was a miner, great granddad, both granddads were miners and so was my dad and I still live in an ex mining community plus rent business premiss ironically in the old redeveloped mine that my dad and granddad worked so i actually need very little reminding about the miners. - pragmatism does suggest that a different approach with scotland would be the most sensible approach though - I guess the Barnet formula and English Votes for English MP's will be the first real test as to what their approach will be and given how quickly Cameron wanted to introduce the English Votes issue I guess we can expect to see some indication soon as to how things will go - I think the SNP will hope for some divisive issue regarding budget votes or Barnet formula that they think justifies pushing for a second independence referendum in the Scottish election next year and my gut feel is the Conservatives will (deliberately) give them that.
What are your feelings right now? Something along the lines of "God the English are pillocks, but at least it looks like we'll be shot of them soon"?
c'mon it is the nasty party... and at least they were not so crass as to use the phrase weaponise the NHS - elections are messy and neither side came out of this with much dignity - I voted Labour but when you look at the election map you certainly have to say that the only party with a clear mandate to rule (in England at least) is the conservatives.
New Labour, her self confessed biggest achievement. I dont know if she moved the public to the right or correctly identified where it actually was, but certainly politics is this country is still in her shadow.
Maybe that wouldnt be the case had the last labour government not fecked us all royally in the arse. Its a good day, the future is bright, the future is blue
You just need to make sure the whole of the UK gets to vote in the next referendum...
I honestly find it heartbreaking to think of those that voted in 97, expecting something different. I know a guy who believed to the extent he cried with happinness at the 97 result. He's since left the party.
I am pretty disappointed. I have been thoroughly unattached and disillusioned with UK politics, but didn't really fancy Cameron getting another stint. It will just mean more unrest in Scotland that we [the UK] have to deal with, continuing privatisation of the NHS which is a big issue for me, and potentially talk about leaving the EU.
Yep. My friends and I are all in our 30's now and we all still are closer aligned to Labour. However for all people's talk on here about the SNP and the sun and all that, most of us went conservative because we just don't see Labour under the current lot being good for our futures and frankly all the talk of being 'idiots' and 'ignorant' on here for people thinking that way is frankly in itself ignorant of the general feeling and why. People can run around blaming this and that, but ultimately Labour have themselves to blame.
Seriously though WTF are the Lib Dems supposed to do now for a new leader? I guess Fallon would have been a front runner anyway but he is basically their only choice now, given the fact every other senior figure in the party has been wiped out.
At least it will be easy to secure a nomination. The leader needs to be nominated by 10% of the MPs, which now means a single MP can do it.
At least it will be easy to secure a nomination. The leader needs to be nominated by 10% of the MPs, which now means a single MP can do it.
true... but some of the things he has done - writing to the advertising standards agency complaining people should be able to advertise that prayer heals illnesses until the advertising standards agency can provide scientific proof that it does not is a little crazy... still cant do worse than clegg can he
Err one can vote Green, UKIP etc.
I know about Indian politics, the BJP will probably ensure the highest and most aggressive growth of India for decades.
Sounds like you just like to complain about politics.
Subjecting the NHS and schools to market forces wasnt what he had in mind, eh?
Well, ultimately, not the UK who had a referendum on the matter and voted it down, simple as....
What? No they didnt, PR wasnt on the ticket.
The UK had a referendum on AV, not PR.