UK General Election 2015 | Conservatives win with an overall majority

How did you vote in the 2015 General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 67 20.0%
  • Labour

    Votes: 152 45.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 15 4.5%
  • Green

    Votes: 23 6.9%
  • SNP

    Votes: 9 2.7%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 11 3.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Did not vote

    Votes: 43 12.8%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 9 2.7%

  • Total voters
    335
  • Poll closed .
The only argument being made by you and others like you is both partisan and disingenuous. That Cameron's promise amounts to a commitment to actually increase the budget by whatever is necessary to deal with both inflation and cost pressures to ensure that services are maintained at 2010 levels. Now everyone knows full well that "ring fence" and "not cut" doesn't mean a commitment to increase the budget to maintain certain service levels, and trying to argue that it does is pathetically tribal and deliberately lacking in objectivity.

Spending and maintaining service levels are two completely different things.

If someone promised to maintain the budget then that would be one promise. If someone promised to maintain service levels then that would be a completely different promise.

If promises were made to maintain the budget then that budget should allow for inflation, but the resultant service levels would depend on many other factors, and be a quite separate issue.
 
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Bringing you back to the point, what Cameron actually said, the only relevant section of your post is this line "the Conservative Party committed to a real time increase in funding of the NHS" which comes without any source at all. Further, it seems to be a confusion of his pledge to ring fence the NHS budget, and then to make sure it's increased every year.

Conservative manifesto, page 45

We understand the pressures the NHS faces, so we will increase health spending in real terms every year

https://www.conservatives.com/~/med...tre/press and policy/manifestos/manifesto2010

Andrew Dilnot, Head of the UK Statistics Authority, page 1

On the basis of the analysis outlined here, we concluded that expenditure on the NHS in England in real terms was lower in 2011-12 than it was in 2009-10 (-0.7%) when presented on the same basis as for the UK Budget derived from the latest available Public Expenditure Statistical Analyses (PESA) publication.

http://www.statisticsauthority.gov....-real-terms-health-expenditure-in-england.pdf

(my bolds)
 
What were the other parties proposing in their election manifestos? How did what the Tories pledged to do compare?
 
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Jesus Christ it's like pulling teeth. The promise was to specifically ring fence the NHS budget and increase it every year. Pretending it meant something different is an embarrassingly petty and disingenuous thing to do. It's even there on the page you quoted

We will back the NHS. We will increase health spending every year.

While every other department is getting actual cuts in the billions to deal with the deficit, the NHS budget has been left alone (that's what ring fencing means, FYI) and instead gets an extra £100M a year (that's what increase health spending every year means too).

Yet you're STILL trying to twist in the wind and claim that his pledge was a blank cheque spending increase to deal with unknown currency fluctuations and market forces on NHS costs to ensure services were maintained at 2010 levels. NO politician could possibly make such a pledge, as all it would take is a massive increase in Cancer drugs for example (happened before) and weak currency performance and the NHS would need billions more to make up the difference.

And you're trying to present this as a technical breach of a promise while Labour were pledging to CUT the NHS.

Ridiculous.

What were the other parties proposing in their election manifestos? How did what the Tories pledged to do compare?

Labour were proposing to cut the NHS budget, but we're not allowed to mention that in favour of fighting hard to misrepresent what Cameron said so we can argue he breached his promise on a technicality.
 
Jesus Christ it's like pulling teeth. The promise was to specifically ring fence the NHS budget and increase it every year. Pretending it meant something different is an embarrassingly petty and disingenuous thing to do. It's even there on the page you quoted

Not sure how much clearer I can make it to you. A straight quote from the Conservative manifesto and a straight quote from the UKSA. If that's not enough...well, you believe what you want to, no skin off my nose.
 
The Tory election manifesto was of course superseded by the coalition agreement, for which Wiki has the following reference:

"The NHS will see a 0.4% increase in spending in real terms over the following 4 years."

If memory serves however, it was not originally the intention of the the Liberal Democrats did not intend to ring-fence the NHS budget at all.
 
Ah, the good old days of the Tory Detoxification. They even made a fecking tree their logo.
 
Just met my Tory candidate, handing out leaflets in front of a station in Walthamstow. She was born to very poor Dominican immigrant parents, got pregnant at 15 but 'turned her life around with the power of Karate' and ended up a 6 time world (Karate) champion. Blimey Charlie. Unexpected start to my morning.
 
The Tory election manifesto was of course superseded by the coalition agreement, for which Wiki has the following reference:

"The NHS will see a 0.4% increase in spending in real terms over the following 4 years."

If memory serves however, it was not originally the intention of the the Liberal Democrats did not intend to ring-fence the NHS budget at all.

The others had non-specific comments about the NHS in their manifestos. Both claimed to be able to make savings from "bureaucracy" in order to invest in frontline services. Neither explicitly said they would increase or decrease (or ringfence) spending on the NHS.

http://www.general-election-2010.co...ion/liberal-democrat-manifesto-2010-your-life
http://www2.labour.org.uk/uploads/TheLabourPartyManifesto-2010.pdf

However in political terms the situation was different for the Tories than for Labour & the Lib Dems. The NHS is a classic pressure point for the Tories, since its the highwater mark for socialist thinking in the UK. The more you claim to be 'for' capitalism and small government, the easier it is for your opponents to claim you're 'against' the NHS. So they had to make stronger guarantees than the others in terms of spending.

Labour had invested significantly in cash terms in the previous 13 years so no-one could question their commitment in that respect, but they'd got poor value for money on their investment so the issue for them was on their ability to deliver an effective NHS. But it was still a strongpoint for them.

As for the Lib Dems, no-one thought they'd be in power and no-one associated them with cuts so there was no real need for them to make specific claims about ring-fencing investment in the NHS.
 
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Ah, the good old days of the Tory Detoxification. They even made a fecking tree their logo.

Ah, the good old days of the Labour Detoxification. They even made a fecking rose their logo. :smirk:


The others had non-specific comments about the NHS in their manifestos. Both claimed to be able to make savings from "bureaucracy" in order to invest in frontline services. Neither explicitly said they would increase or decrease (or ringfence) spending on the NHS.

You are i would suggest being rather kind with your language there. If we take Labour for example, their pledge on 'efficiencies' was at best a foolishly wild exaggeration and at worst, a carefully planned deceit.

Labour manifesto:
and over the next four years, we will deliver up to £20 billion of efficiencies in the frontline NHS

How could those cuts, and cuts they most certainly would have been, not have necessitated the sort of policies for which the Tories would be lynched? But then those voters not blinded by their tribalism will have required no reminder of the government's duplicity.


Labour had invested significantly in cash terms in the previous 13 years so no-one could question their commitment in that respect, but they'd got poor value for money on their investment so the issue for them was on their ability to deliver an effective NHS. But it was still a strongpoint for them.

Or that they were incompetent and wasted billions of pounds in the pursuit of superficial political advantage.


As for the Lib Dems, no-one thought they'd be in power and no-one associated them with cuts so there was no real need for them to make specific claims about ring-fencing investment in the NHS.

The simple refusal was arguably a specific statement of policy itself.

The Lib Dems' lesser political status proved to be no bar to specific policies elsewhere, therefore i see little grounds for an explanation in that quarter. They were, and remain a party who would contemplate cuts to healthcare.

Your theme of perception is an apt one however, as for all too many years Labour had escaped the degree of censure that was rightly its due.
 
You are i would suggest being rather kind with your language there. If we take Labour for example, their pledge on 'efficiencies' was at best a foolishly wild exaggeration and at worst, a carefully planned deceit.

I didnt wanna get totally side tracked, but "bureacracy savings" or "efficiencies" is just mumbo jumbo really. It doesn't mean anything because its never clear what it actually means or how it helps. If you have a middle manager whose job it is to coordinate the services of half a dozen occupational therapy teams, does it really save money to get rid of that post? is it more cost efficient to have an uncoordinated service?

How could those cuts, and cuts they most certainly would have been, not have necessitated the sort of policies for which the Tories would be lynched? But then those voters not blinded by their tribalism will have required no reminder of the government's duplicity.

Well there are two very distinct things that the Tories have done during the last parliament on the NHS. (By way of background I run charities that are commissioned by the NHS so am plugged into the NHS commissioning landscape).

Firstly there were blanket cuts that came about as a result of their pull back on funding across the board in health. That was coming whoever won the election. As far back as 2008 the primary and mental health trusts that funded us were cutting back their budgets in anticipation of the larger cuts that were to come.

I have sympathy for the Tories here. Whoever won the last election had to make a tonne of tough decisions and face the heat for them. Even if Labour had kept the NHS growing at 4% or so, they would have had to cut something else instead.

However the Tories also undertook a once in a generation top down reorganisation of primary care, with the creation of CCGs. That was unneccesary, expensive, badly planned and, worst of all, badly executed. It was driven by ideology rather than expediency, and was just a shambolic mess really.

Of course the lines between the two get blurred. When people talk about 'cuts' sometimes its secondary and tertiery services that are cut because hospitals have run out of money. Other times its because the primary commissioning landscape has changed and traditional deliverers have been forced out by larger, private, providers. One was unavoidable, the other was done by choice.

The Lib Dems' lesser political status proved to be no bar to specific policies elsewhere, therefore i see little grounds for an explanation in that quarter. They were, and remain a party who would contemplate cuts to healthcare.

Well, dont underestimate how small the Lib Dems are. Unlike they other two they simply cant produce detailed research in multiple areas, they dont have the people or money to do it. They typically have one or two key areas that they buff up on, and everything else is half-baked.

As for whether they'd contemplate making cuts - they may earnestly believe they'd never make cuts if they were in sole power, but then I may claim I'd never spill my guts under torture. When the time comes it might be very different, but til then its an unprovable proposition either way.
 
Just met my Tory candidate, handing out leaflets in front of a station in Walthamstow. She was born to very poor Dominican immigrant parents, got pregnant at 15 but 'turned her life around with the power of Karate' and ended up a 6 time world (Karate) champion. Blimey Charlie. Unexpected start to my morning.
I don't get minorities who join the tories, I really don't. Maybe its because I'm a left leaning mixed race guy, but I just can't understand how you can support a party with as bad a track record when it comes to race as the conservatives. None of the politcal parties are perfect either, especially the far right ones. She also sounds a bit odd, I mean, fair play she helped herself but why the tories?
 
I don't get minorities who join the tories, I really don't. Maybe its because I'm a left leaning mixed race guy, but I just can't understand how you can support a party with as bad a track record when it comes to race as the conservatives. None of the politcal parties are perfect either, especially the far right ones. She also sounds a bit odd, I mean, fair play she helped herself but why the tories?
I suppose an extreme example would be the Democrats in the US - once a party of the racist South, now the party of the first black president. Parties in the UK have evolved to an extent where race isn't a direct point of difference between the main parties. It's more indirect, like the relative commitment to improving the life chances of those growing up in deprived areas (who tend to be disproportionately from minorities). If you aren't affected by that and like a nice bit of fiscal conservatism, you may like the Tories.
 
I suppose an extreme example would be the Democrats in the US - once a party of the racist South, now the party of the first black president. Parties in the UK have evolved to an extent where race isn't a direct point of difference between the main parties. It's more indirect, like the relative commitment to improving the life chances of those growing up in deprived areas (who tend to be disproportionately from minorities). If you aren't affected by that and like a nice bit of fiscal conservatism, you may like the Tories.
Well its not so simple with the Democrats, they had always had that Northern liberal element to them, but also the dixieland types. Just in the 60s LBJ basically ceded most of them to the Republicans with his civil rights acts. Its indirect, but I still think there's a hell of a lot of ignorant people in the parties. To be honest, the tories will dislike anyone who hasn't got at least a few hundred K in the bank.
 
I think they're better these days, in terms of the party as a whole, as Cameron's attempts to 'modernise the party' have resulted in some of those with less 'modern' views pissing off to UKIP.

I'm sure there's still a good few closet racists going, mind, including a fair few backbenchers.
 
I think they're better these days, in terms of the party as a whole, as Cameron's attempts to 'modernise the party' have resulted in some of those with less 'modern' views pissing off to UKIP.

I'm sure there's still a good few closet racists going, mind, including a fair few backbenchers.
They are still openly classist but I guess that will never ever go away. Also maybe another argument for another day?
 
I felt sorry for Sayeeda Warsi, it seemed as if she finally woke up (at the age of 42) to the fact that the Tories despised her and used her as a token effnic.
 
I felt sorry for Sayeeda Warsi, it seemed as if she finally woke up (at the age of 42) to the fact that the Tories despised her and used her as a token effnic.

Such prejudice Pete, that's not very left of you. ;) Perhaps an attempt to be consistent though, after all the tenures of two Labour prime ministers saw the exploitation of thousands of migrants for political and economic gain.


Aye, same :lol:. But they use it for actual policy making which is different

How then would you categorise the mansion tax? There are other notable examples but its topical and a likely policy at this election.



I notice that Gordon is being rolled out again. Miliband risks highlighting his own unpopularity if he repeats the gambit one too many times.

On the Conservative front, Cameron has pledged to "protect" funding for schools. The BBC believes this to be a commitment to maintain the existing levels of cash spending but not inflationary increases.
 
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Such prejudice Pete, that's not very left of you. ;) Perhaps an attempt to be consistent though, after all the tenures of two Labour prime ministers saw the exploitation of thousands of migrants for political and economic gain.




How then would you categorise the mansion tax? There are other notable examples but its topical and a likely policy at this election.



I notice that Gordon is being rolled out again. Miliband risks highlighting his own unpopularity if he repeats the gambit one too many times.

On the Conservative front, Cameron has pledged to "protect" funding for schools. The BBC believes this to be a commitment to maintain the existing levels of cash spending but not inflationary increases.
That's a Lib dem idea, not a conservative idea. Not to mention Labour and the Greens were also thinking about that policy. Also its fair play, gives more of the economic burden on those who CAN afford it.
 
SNP to wipe out Labour vote in Scotland, Lord Ashcroft poll reveals

Danny Alexander and Douglas Alexander will both no longer be MPs after General Election, according to bombshell poll by former Tory donor Lord Ashcroft

By Ben Riley-Smith, Political Correspondent
04 Feb 2015


Some of Labour and the Liberal Democrats' most senior Scottish MPs will be dumped from office by the SNP according to a bombshell new poll revealing the full extent of Ed Miliband's woes north of the border.

Danny Alexander, the Liberal Democrat Chief Secretary to the Treasury, and Douglas Alexander, Labour’s election campaign chief and shadow foreign secretary, will both no longer be MPs come May 8 according to the polls.

The SNP will take 15 of 16 crucial marginal seats in Scotland, constituency polling by former Tory donor Lord Ashcroft has found, providing a hammer blow to Mr Miliband’s hopes of entering Number 10.

Alex Salmond, the former SNP leader running in Gordon, is on course to comfortably win the seat while senior Scottish Labour figures including Margaret Curran, the shadow Scottish secretary, and Anas Sarwar, former deputy leader, are expected to go.

The long-awaited polling of more than 16,000 Scottish voters reveals that in Labour-held constituencies the overall swing to the SNP is a staggering 25.4 per cent.

If replicated on May 7, Labour would lose 35 of its 41 MPs and all but rob Mr Miliband of any chance of winning an overall majority.

Such dire predictions for Labour’s support base in Scotland from the most detailed polling to be held in the country since the independence referendum in September is likely to send shock waves through the party, coming just three months before election.

It reveals that despite electing a new Scottish Labour leader, Jim Murphy, in December there has been no obvious tightening after the surge in SNP support that followed the Yes camp coming within 400,000 votes of winning independence.

The findings will also raise fresh questions about the impact of having dozens of SNP MPs inside Westminster just months after battling with against parties to take Scotland out of the UK.

Mr Miliband will also face renewed pressure from Scottish Labour MPs to publicly rule out doing any post-election deal with the SNP to hammer home its message that voting for the Nationalists will increase the likelihood of a Tory Government.

Lord Ashcroft cautions that the findings are merely a snapshot of the current situation and said a third of those who had switched from Labour to the SNP would not rule out a return before May.

“With a vigorous Labour campaign there remains room for movement before May. For such a crucial battleground the campaign in these seats has yet to reach fever pitch – perhaps not surprisingly given the exhausting referendum campaign,” says Lord Ashcroft.

But his findings also predict some of the most familiar faces in Westminster during this parliament will find themselves out of office in a little over three months.

Danny Alexander, one of the Coalition’s key architects and number two in the Treasury, trails in the Inverness seat he has held for a decade by 29 points – a seemingly insurmountable deficit.

Douglas Alexander, the man tasked with guiding Labour into office this election, also faces an 8-point deficit in his Paisley and Renfrewshire South seat.

It seems disillusionment with the economy is partly driving the abandonment of Labour. Just 41 per cent of Labour-SNP switchers expect things to go well for the country over the next year, compared to 59 per cent of those who stuck with Labour.

LORD ASHCROFT PREDICTIONS - THE KEY SEATS

Danny Alexander, Lib Dem Chief Secretary to the Treasury - GONE
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Douglas Alexander, Labour's shadow foreign secretary - GONE
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Margaret Curran, Labour's shadow Scottish secretary - GONE
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Alex Salmond, former SNP leader - ELECTED
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...e-in-Scotland-Lord-Ashcroft-poll-reveals.html
 
Related to the above:

William Hague: England will be held to ransom by the SNP unless Labour backs English votes for English Laws.


That's a Lib dem idea, not a conservative idea. Not to mention Labour and the Greens were also thinking about that policy. Also its fair play, gives more of the economic burden on those who CAN afford it.

Of course it's not a Conservative policy, the MT a classist gimmick which Labour has adopted. I was wondering how you might describe it given your earlier post.

As for fair play...http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ould-hit-homes-worth-340000-in-the-North.html
 
Tories on the attack.


Responding to Labour’s announcement on rent controls, Minister for Housing and Planning Brandon Lewis MP said:

‘First their energy price freeze collapsed when it was shown it would lead to higher prices and now their flagship policy to help tenants would actually lead to higher rents. Labour are in chaos.



‘Rent controls never work – they destroy investment in housing leading to fewer homes to rent and poorer quality accommodation.

‘The only way to have affordable rents is to build more homes which the Conservatives are doing – with housebuilding now at its highest level since 2007 thanks to our long-term economic plan’.

ENDS

Notes to editors

Labour’s ban on letting agent fees would just mean that tenants would pay higher rents.
· According to the Association of Residential Letting Agents ‘pledging to transfer [letting agents] fees to landlords or calling for outright bans will increase rents’ (BBC News Online, 8 May 2014, link).

Average rents increased by 69 per cent under Labour.
· Mean rents for all types of private sector tenancies in 1996/97 stood at £331 per month. By 2007/08 this had increased to £558 per month, an increase of 69 per cent in 10 years. These figures exclude any payments for water charges (Hansard, 12 October 2009, Col 351W, link; DCLG, Table 731 – Rents, lettings and tenancies: private tenancies and rents by type of tenancy, link).

Since 2010 average rents in England have fallen in real terms.
· According to the latest ONS figures, in the period May 2010 to December 2014 average rents in England fell by 1.3 per cent in real terms (ONS, Index of Private Housing Rental Prices, October to December 2014, 30 January 2015).

Labour’s own Shadow Housing Minister doesn’t think rent controls work.
· Interviewed on Channel Four News Emma Reynolds said, ‘I think the crisis is so severe that the government cannot say we are going to sit back and let the market recover. I do not think it will work in practice but what we have got to do is tackle the acute shortage of supply. We need to double house-building. We are not building half the number of homes that we need. If current trends continue, by 2020 will have 2 million fewer homes than we need’ (Channel 4 News, 7 January 2014).

Experts says Labour’s rent controls policy will lead to higher rents…

· The Institute of Economic Affairs has said Labour’s policy will lead to higher rents. ‘Since rents can alter between tenancies, tenancy rent controls cannot improve affordability for any group other than in the very short term. It is most likely to simply change the timing of rent costs over a tenancy by raising initial rents. Indeed the existence of these [rent] controls may even increase market rents overall’ (Institute for Economic Affairs, The Flaws in Rent Ceilings, September 2014, link).

…And fewer homes to rent.

· The OECD say that rent controls push down housing supply. ‘The OECD have made clear that rent controls reduce the supply of rented housing, saying that “easing the relatively strict rent controls and tenant-landlord regulations that are found in some Nordic and continental European countries could significantly increase residential mobility by improving the supply of rental housing and preventing the locking-in of tenants”’ (OECD, Housing and the Economy: Policies for Renovation, 2011, link).

Rent controls failed when used in the UK before…

· Rent controls in the UK reduced private rented housing stock. ‘Rent controls resulted in the size of the private rented sector shrinking from 55 per cent of households in 1939 to just 8 per cent in the late 1980s. Rent controls also meant that many landlords could not afford to improve or maintain their homes’ (Hansard, 27 October 2011, Col. 302W, link).

…And continue to fail abroad.

· In Sweden rent control policies have led to housing shortages. In Sweden rents are not set by negotiation between tenants and landlord but rather between landlord and the Swedish Union of Tenants and controls ensure that similar flats in different areas are charged the same levels of rents. But according to Sweden’s National Housing Board this has led to market failure, with developers being discouraged from building new properties and housing being poorly allocated, with people who can afford to move or buy a home being encouraged to continuing renting, reducing the number of properties for younger people looking to rent. Overall there is a shortage of 40,000 rental flats in Sweden, with the problem most acute in Stockholm (The Local newspaper, 13 November 2013, link; The Local newspaper, 19 November 2013, link).

· France has passed a new law to cap rents which has caused construction output to slump. France has introduced a new law capping rents in expensive areas to make housing more affordable. In addition, home buyers must now fills out many more forms in order to give them greater protection. But this resulted in a 19 per cent fall in housing starts in the second quarter of 2014 compared to the same period in 2013 and a 13 per cent fall over the same period in housing permits (future construction estimates) (Bloomberg website, 29 July 2014, link).

· New York’s rent control policies reduced the city’s housing supply and increased rents. Rent controlled properties, which account for nearly 50 per cent of New York’s housing stock, can be passed on generation to generation regardless of whether people can afford full market rents. These rules severely limit the number of properties available to rent in New York, resulting in an average monthly rent for a non-rent controlled property of $3000, three times the national average and the highest for any city in the United States (New York Post, 18 March 2012, link; Reuters, 8 July 2013, link).
 
Tories on the attack...

I dont particularly support this Labour policy, since it sounds nice on paper but the obvious flaws haven't really been addressed.

But I really hate this Tory way of bullshitting facts & stats to make themselves sound good. Points 2 & 3 in their notes to editors may as well say "rents rose during an unprecedented period of economic boom, and then slowed down during the fall out from a once in a generation economic crash". Plus using 'real terms' when it suits them but using 'cash terms' when it doesnt, such as when describing their 'protection' of education budgets. Not to mention 'house building at its highest since 2007', or to put it another way, at the highest point since Labour were in power.

I know all parties in every country do it, but this Tory party are really pushing boundaries when it comes to bullshitting.
 
How then would you categorise the mansion tax?

Some bloke was sat eating lunch with his mates in my pub last week and mansion tax came up in conversation. I heard this guy say loudly (loudly enough for everyone in the pub to hear) that it wasn't a mansion tax it was actually a "Jealousy tax" He then proceeded to harp on about how he felt victimised and how he pays enough tax anyway etc, ad nauseum.
 
I dont particularly support this Labour policy, since it sounds nice on paper but the obvious flaws haven't really been addressed.

But I really hate this Tory way of bullshitting facts & stats to make themselves sound good. Points 2 & 3 in their notes to editors may as well say "rents rose during an unprecedented period of economic boom, and then slowed down during the fall out from a once in a generation economic crash". Plus using 'real terms' when it suits them but using 'cash terms' when it doesnt, such as when describing their 'protection' of education budgets. Not to mention 'house building at its highest since 2007', or to put it another way, at the highest point since Labour were in power.

I know all parties in every country do it, but this Tory party are really pushing boundaries when it comes to bullshitting.
You could take that argument and say 'house building has recovered to pre-financial crisis levels' equally.
 
Related to the above:

William Hague: England will be held to ransom by the SNP unless Labour backs English votes for English Laws.




Of course it's not a Conservative policy, the MT a classist gimmick which Labour has adopted. I was wondering how you might describe it given your earlier post.

As for fair play...http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ould-hit-homes-worth-340000-in-the-North.html


I was reading the other day that the average house price in London puts anyone who inherits one into the wealthiest 1% on earth.
 
You could take that argument and say 'house building has recovered to pre-financial crisis levels' equally.



I thought the peak for building was 1936? How can it get to the point that we just can't build enough homes, it is depressing.
 
In what way is it nonsense? London is crazy expensive.

Simply inhabiting a house of a certain worth, doesn't then make an individual cash rich to comparable degree. Whilst the MT might have an entrance level of £2m (or £1m under the Lib Dems i believe) but it won't remain there, which is why some London based Labour MPs have raised concerns.
 
Simply inhabiting a house of a certain worth, doesn't then make an individual cash rich to comparable degree. Whilst the MT might have an entrance level of £2m (or £1m under the Lib Dems i believe) but it won't remain there, which is why some London based Labour MPs have raised concerns.
Selling it does, though.