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UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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The reply wasn't aimed at you specifically. It was aimed at anyone watching. It should be obvious who isn't a complete bumbling idiot. If it's not perhaps they shouldn't be allowed to fecking vote, but anyway...I think Corbyn did well enough. It wasn't never going to be great because it wasn't set up to allow it to be (par of the course for politics). They just had to get out what they could as quick as possible.
Incredible isn’t it.
My parents will still vote Tory and then continue to complain about low police numbers.
Corbyn improved after the Brexit questions
Which I think given the polls the conservatives probably perceive as a win... I.e. Johnson didn't say anything about watermelon smiles or letterboxes and probably has not done anything to throw away the lead ... Plus he stuck to the brexit script that Cummings has been crafting for months
He ended the debate well, and started well - definitely got muddled in the middle by Johnson's incoherent mumbling though.
They need a better moderator to keep BJ in check and he needs some snappier responses.
Lock them in the house on Election Day!
Damning with faint praise
yep back on the 2nd. Not sure who my MP is.
Thank you, but I would like to hear from the leader of the opposition on which side he will campaign on.
Sorry, what was the question?
I like Jeremy, I really do. I think he genuinely cares about the country. However a leader needs to be more than just good policies and a kind heart. They need to be inspiring, strong, intelligent, and charismatic. They are essentially the representative of the nation. It's one of the reasons why many vote the SNP in Scotland. Sturgeon is all of those things.
I would prefer splitting the vote between the Prime Minister and MP (similar to the USA). It would open up more party co-operation (provided the chamber was elected proportionally or through ranked-choice).
I would prefer splitting the vote between the Prime Minister and MP (similar to the USA). It would open up more party co-operation (provided the chamber was elected proportionally or through ranked-choice).
Corbyn isn’t sharp, he just doesn’t have that quickness of thought and articulation for debates like that. He’s avuncular and genial but that’s not what people generally look for in a statesperson.
What does that mean ?
When the ITV presenter framed the British economy in terms of the number of money trees it needs, you know its been an awful debate for everyone involved.
I would believe all of those things, if the alternative wasn't a clown named BJ who has none of those qualities.
Think Campbell sums it up well.
So he needs help? I simply don't understand why people can't see the problem here.
Labour will never get back in until they get with the program and play the game. Play these idiots at their own sham. Is that ideal? No of course not. But going into a live debate and then coming right back out of it looking exactly the same IS NOT changing the narrative of convincing anyone.
It's more than disappointing, it's shocking.
I actually thought that comment was an attempt to embarrass the Tories, as it was them that claimed there weren't any but then found some. Boris batted that one back well though.
The constant get Brexit done schtick is boring but it's for people who only tune in for a short amount of time. Make sure they can't miss the key point.
It means forcing the narrative for a fecking start.
It was awful all round, but surely you can see Corbyn had the most to lose and most to gain yet pretty much treaded water.
And I do agree with @villain he started and ended well, but it was nowhere near enough. Not even close.
I agree, he needs to be more radical - but he's fighting a losing game here & this is only the first debate.
We've seen that the media don't frame stories about Corbyn & his policies vs Johnson & his policies in the same way.
If he went toe-to-toe with Johnson it would've ended badly for him simply because the media paint Johnson as a clown, and he gets excused for it. Corbyn doesn't have that same leverage - which says a lot about the integrity of journalism in this country.
I disagree not with the evaluation of the performance but that it's not enough. Boring is fine for Corbyn, the image of a radical presented in the papers erodes and it normalises him. It's what happened last time.
We don't need a majority Labour are never getting that, just need a gradual gain to deny a Boris majority.
But you guys keep talking media, here is a chance to actually talk and change that in person with his own words, and he did exactly what the media say...
I honestly don't get how you guys are not more disappointed by this. He played right into their hands. This isn't some clever game he is playing, it's absolutely not smart to play boring and against what they paint him as. He should be fighting them and for what he believes. But then again I, just like you guys, are preaching to the wrong people I guess.
But hey, don't trust me on this. We shall soon see. Then the excuses can fly again, and around we fecking go.
Assuming tories, polling at 42%, all vote Johnson, whilst labour supporters, polling at 30%, all vote Corbyn. To get these figures the rest of the electorate would be 68% Corbyn 32% Johnson.
Obviously sample sizes and all but that poll does suggest a decent closing of the gap from Corbyn.
I've yet to see a good leadership debate performance from anyone though. It's a poor format to do what you're saying.
You need Obama level in oratory to make much of a dent. You can feck it up easily like May though.
Last question of the debate: what xmas pressie would you both give each other?
Kourtney: Kim, there's people that are dying in the world
@SteveJ
They could always buy each other Kylie's radioactive cosmetics, I guess.Seemingly a lot of backlash over the factcheckuk stunt. Kuenssberg outraged. This is her here
Corbyn was just too nice, I thought he could have really attacked Johnson, he’s an easy target.
Maybe that’s part of who Corbyn is though, maybe that’s what separates him from the Johnson’s in the world.
Maybe that’s part of who Corbyn is though, maybe that’s what separates him from the Johnson’s in the world.
They'll be getting a cease and desist from her lawyers in the morning.
I think so lowly of myself, get it right.
And the increasing middle class will be their friend
Literally asked Corbyn about trust in politics and he didn’t lay into Johnson about his shady affairs.
What a joke.
What a joke.
Oooh what are they like the daft scoundrels, with their disinformation campaigns and underhand tactics?!
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