You're not going to win those posters over by telling them that you're a rich land owner fella. Dead parents or no.
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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You're not going to win those posters over by telling them that you're a rich land owner fella. Dead parents or no.
he admitted he voted for blair... hes on the red tory gulag list with me
I’m not trying to win them over and I’m not rich. I know this is a massively left leaning labour supporting forum but some of the moral outrage spewed on anyone who thinks slightly differently is crazy.
You claim to be a ''semi aspirational Labour voter'', which firstly, semi aspirational isn't actually very aspirational and then look how you got your second property.
Class politics
And? I have worked hard, progressed in my job and made sacrifices so I could afford a mortgage of my own before I got my second home.
I guess semi aspirational is right, I’m not insanely driven by money but understand I need money to do some of what I want.
I still have aspirations to travel and try and enjoy life more now I’m a bit older. I don’t get your question marks sweet square.
What’s the source of all this tax talk? Haven’t seen it. My in-laws are elderly and we inherit the house so it’s an important thing to read up on
Wait for the manifesto to come out, it will be small and red in appearance.
I am sorry that you have a disability, but I fear your bitterness is clouding your judgement. I assure you, if you were in the same position as Volumiza, you would think the same way as him.
Seems fair to me.
Actually i'd say it doesn't go far enough. 150k tax free. Everything over 150k goes back to the government.
Thats fairer.
Thats fairer.
I’ve honestly never understood inheritance tax, it shouldn’t even be a thing.
So, to clarify, your numbers were based on no concrete policy at all. Classic.
Then you clearly haven't thought very hard about it. But that's not unusual for you.
Sorry I didn't realise it was bad judgement to prioritise lessening the suffering of thousands of people over someone who is scared they won't be able to own 2 houses.
that just went over his head.
Feel free to enlighten me.
Bitterness is not clouding his judgement, self interest is clouding everyone elses. There are many cases of this government squeezing sick and disabled people into poverty and death. If you had family members in that position maybe it would feel more real, but it is more widespread than you may believe.
Importantly, the Labour policy for IHT has not come out yet. But if the fear of losing a few thousand pounds when you are in a reasonably comfortable financial position outweighs the fear or concern that 1000's of disabled people are pushed into poverty and death, then we are in a very sad state as a society.
There are many more examples like the below.
Man wins fit-for-work appeal seven months after his death
This article is more than 8 months old
Jeff Hayward spent last 18 months of his life fighting decision that he was fit to work
https://www.theguardian.com/society...-for-work-appeal-seven-months-after-his-death
Thousands have died after being found fit for work, DWP figures show
Campaigners demand welfare overhaul after statistics reveal 2,380 people died between 2011 and 2014 shortly after being declared able to work
https://www.theguardian.com/society...ied-after-fit-for-work-assessment-dwp-figures
What a ridiculous post. 'bitterness' feck me.
Seconded.
You know why this is a bad argument? Because I want to pay more taxes.
Just the recommended figures from the report McDonald commissioned... Which in fairness suggested a lower limit for the tax free gift than I did... So yes your correct if he introduced the policy in the report he commissioned the tax would be even higher
Yeah i wouldn't be adverse... My stuff's all in trusts and offshored .... Plenty of spare cash to snap up the properties the goverent takes and auctions... Bring it on I say
You didn't work hard enough to buy your second home, right ? You inherited it. Oh and you had to take a mortgage out to buy your first home.
Also it took you until middle age to finally own to two properties and to be financially comfortable in life ? Was the progressed you made in your job similar to that of a sloth ? Also I assume you don't own any businesses ?
How hard did you really work ?
What I'm trying to do is display the utter contempt the party your going to vote for this election has for people like yourself. I get why actual wealthy people vote tory, I have a family ''friend'' who is a business owner, employs a work force and in fairness works pretty dam hard, I get why this guy hates Labour and really so he should. The fact is Labour wants to give his workers more power in their workplace and him being the boss of course doesn't want that.
But your not that at all, not even close. You've said yourself that you literally earn national average wage and due to unfortunate circumstances you've inherited your parents house which means you won't be overdraft every month. Your even using not being wealthy as a reason why your voting tory(No wealthy person would ever make such an argument).
I try my best to look at this stuff from a class perspective and the fact is you've gone from a struggling worker on an average wage to being a landlord, so of course your going to move away from the Labour Party(I think your smart enough to know this already)but again the tory party actively dislike people like yourself, they view you as a bit of chancer who ended up having mildly similar interest to theirs. Thatcher(I think you know my views on here)was the only one who actually gave two shits about people like yourself but this new lot couldn't care less. But still your going to side with them because the Labour party might tax you to fund the social programs you agree with! The lack of self respect you have for yourself is really something else. Or maybe its just a kink fetish. Some people like being whipped, ball gagged or in your case like voting tory.
Least surprising revelation of 2019 goes to...
The simplest answer is that money makes more money. Do you want an aristocracy? Because that's how you get (or rather got) an aristocracy.
Say what?
Sage advice
Thanks.
Don’t most people manage to avoid paying it though? I’ve always thought it’s a bit pointless because the people who it’s aimed at mostly manage to avoid paying it. Surely there’s a better alternative?
It's a true sign that the Labour Party has move too far left when it can't win moderate voters like myself - Scrooge Mcduck
You could always volunteer to pay more or donate to worthy causes if you have loads of spare cash.
Honestly - not everyone thinks that way. We don't vote for what's best for our pocket, we vote for the party that will continue to invest in and improve public services and protect vulnerable people.
When I was a high-ish earner, I still voted that way.
Here's what Mcdonnell actually said regarding that report (@03:41) -
This was initially reported as Labour "looking at it", and finding it "interesting", but soon enough became "Labours inheritance tax horror plan to raid 10 million Briton's life savings." Be honest, doesn't that final for seem to you to be a great distance from Mcdonnell's evasive, lukewarm response to it in the Sky clip?
You didn't work hard enough to buy your second home, right ? You inherited it. Oh and you had to take a mortgage out to buy your first home.
Also it took you until middle age to finally own to two properties and to be financially comfortable in life ? Was the progressed you made in your job similar to that of a sloth ? Also I assume you don't own any businesses ?
How hard did you really work?
Dude, I may not be voting how you’d like but there’s no need to mock my life or work ethic.
I was self employed in my 20’s, got divorced in my 30’s and lost the lot! I’ve had to struggle to get back to where I am.
I got a job and have worked my arse off to live and to provide for my kids so I view my sloth like progress and what I have now with pride. Yeah, I’ve gone without and and can now finally feel comfortable. I’m fortunate.
Like I said, I have two houses, one was inherited but that 2nd house has changed my life. Yes I had to lose my parents to get here but my life is much easier now. Why on earth would I vote for a party that would actively stop me from making the same difference to my children’s life when I die?
This makes zero sense, if you're happy paying more taxes then donate the amount you're willing to pay more to a charity you deem most in need of it.
Instead of the government deciding where your money goes you get to decide yourself.
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