You’re right but it says more about British public than tories doing anything special. I was probably living in the bit of the bubble (Scotland, London, student towns, etc.) while in the UK to rarely have encountered people with such favourable attitudes towards right wing politics.
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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Almost certainly more than half but that's first past the post for you
The best chance they had was a confidence motion around the time of prorigation with a gnu lead by Beckett or Clarke (think they could have won then)
But corbyn wouldn't go for that as he insisted on being pm so here we are... first past the post election being dominated by a single issue with one side representing leave... multiple sides representing remain and one side too incompetent to have a clear position
Sadly we get what we deserve and I'm resigned to a conservative brexit and most probably wto when we cant agree a full deal in 18 months
But the fight will go on... probably lib dems become the European Democrats and just like Farage did we fight and push and eventually perhaps 10 years get a rejoin referendum.
Pundits on twitter seem to be falling over themselves to downplay a cyber-attack on an opposition party in the middle of an election campaign, some going so far as to suggest that it's all a bit too convenient. All within minutes of the thing first being reported.
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Dan has ALL the questionsThat would have worked had Corbyn back the idea on Clarke or Beckett but again the whole country is screwed because Labour are stuck with a complete moron as Leader .
It will never cease to amaze me how Labour have blown so mancy chances to take power the past five six years all because of Corbyn..
Its been even worse than choosing Ed Miliibnd over David and thus blowing that election too .
We have a two party system where one party is hellbent on destroying the country for their own personal finacial gain and the other Labour are handicapped with a leader they dont want and the country doesn't want hence are unelectable
Yeah I don’t get it either, taking one look at Swinson’s voting record quashes the notion of any similarity between the two. The only thing they have in common is both are to the left of the Tory/BXP unholy alliance, but so is feckin Skeletor these days.
One way of looking at it.
Another way is to suggest that Britain absolutely, poitively, definitely didn't want Corbyn or Swinson or Farage or any combination of those three.
I think we can dismiss the FibDems - a sort of left wing, one policy UKIP.
Which makes me think - is it Corbyn that people won't vote for, or the potential of a government / cabinet with McDonnell, Abbott, Burgon, Starmer, Thornberry, Long-Bailey, Phillips, Butler, etc...
For a lot of people, probably the majority, they appear to prefer the devil they know than the devils they fear.
Not with Ms Swinson leading it! It will (has become) less Liberal and not Democratic already, with the influx of 'carpetbaggers' and refugees from the Tory Party who want a one issue party, to revoke A50, and a primary aim is to get their jobs back as well paid MPs. The Lib-Dem party is becoming almost on a daily basis a mirror image of the Brexit Party. Original Lib Democrats will probably now move gradually over to the Greens, possibly adding something to that parties appeal.
The era of the 'big tent' political parties seems to be coming to an end, Labour is a far left Party now with just a few beleaguered left of Centre Politicians hanging on in there and who if they don't get creamed by Momentum, will get rejected by the Leavers. The Tories have gone the opposite way not quite as far to the right as Labour has gone to the left, but far enough to resurrect Thatcher's views established as mainstream political dogma. The 'wets' this time have been booted out by Boris, although a few seemingly who have 'dried out' have been let back in!
There may be a push, perhaps some twenty years on for the UK to return to the EU fold, but this time to join as a proper fully paid up and true 'European centred' (United States of Europe) member, no rebates, no opt outs and be using the Euro instead of Sterling as the currency. The party leading that charge is likely to be the Greens!
Pundits on twitter seem to be falling over themselves to downplay a cyber-attack on an opposition party in the middle of an election campaign, some going so far as to suggest that it's all a bit too convenient. All within minutes of the thing first being reported.
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It sounds like it was a DDOS attack, which in online terms is little more than the equivalent of chucking rotten tomatoes at Labour's offices. They cost little very little, are easy to do and have few to no long lasting effects. Unless it was combined with another attack that hasn't yet been disclosed, or it was on a scale like the Github attack that is news by itself, there's no reason to assume more sinister motives than script kiddies messing around.
No it's been more than 3 years since this shitshow began. There's been plenty of time to create more choices. Parties have been formed an risen to power faster than that even in less turbulent times. There's been plenty of time to change the labour leader if that was the will of labour, and Bojomopingthefloorwithoutachievinganything was just recently chosen. How long has Swinson been libdem leader?
Saying one had no other choice when one just chose the options doesn't really count. Although on an individual level I do understand it.
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I've also seen reporting that it was targeted at essentially internal election campaigning systems which would suggest to me it was a little bit more sophisticated than someone bombarding Labour.org.uk with traffic.
British tabloids never cease to amaze me.
By definition the systems affected have to be public facing, or you couldn't DDOS them.
Exactly my point.
Presumably they have some sort of portal for uploading material which was what was attacked rather than the internal system itself then.
I don't follow. Are you suggesting it was an internal system or not? You said it was then you said it wasn't.
The trouble is on here we have left wing posters out numbering right wing ones by 10 to 1. This thread is full of people bemoaning that the British public could elect another Tory government. Calling them among other insults 'great gullible masses'. The fact is that the vast majority of this country are aspirational, capitalist, centrist, currently employed and home owners. This started in the 70's and 80's with people being allowed to buy their own council houses. It turbo-boosted property ownership. In the 90's & 00,s there was a massive buy-to-let revolution. So now home owners were multiple property landlords too. This meant that tendency of most voters was not towards the socialist end of politics. Blair knew this and played to it. It has been both colours of government that have subscribed to this situation over the years and it has resulted in the younger generation being less well off than their parents.
The idea of allowing people to buy their council houses was not a bad one in my view - my mum bought hers. But the complete failure to build council or social housing to replace those sold to owners was totally wrong and will eventually lead to a big change.
There is poverty and inequality in this country but the majority of voters don't feel it first hand, or they latch on to right-wing explanations of it. The lack of building has caused properties to increase in value so much so that owners don't want the massive building program that is desperately needed in the UK because increasing supply will drive down prices. On the flip side ownership has dropped dramatically in the UK - it is currently standing at 63% from a high of nearly 80%. If it is allowed to drop towards 50% through lack of supply then that will probably drive political change. However, right now the bias of this thread does not reflect the country as a whole and there is a strong element of people thinking that they are the only ones in the regiment IN-step.
I think it's plausible she looses her seat to the SNP this time
Chukka as leader and Corbyn trying to form a coalition would not be without some irony... Especially if chukka flounces out if the meeting
You are equating being born gay or being born a fish with a disability? The feck is wrong with you?
Not sure what the issue is here. He makes the points that a) it'll take many years to get large scale infrastructure spending to actually happen b) the parties should be honest in saying we will all need to pay more tax to get more public services and c) Brexit might blow a hole in the public finances. Agree or not, those are not outlandish views.
The guy was comparing politicians to santa claus, talking quadrillion spending and Santo grotto.
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They are all liars with zero sense of honesty or integrity.
Quite frankly none of them are deserving of the public vote. Non of them.
Politicians stink of greed, self preservation and self interest and for them to pretend that they actually give a sh1t about the electorate is fantasy in the extreme.
Liars the lot of them.
Apologies, it was a bad edit. I had seen it reported that the attack was on internal systems so thought it couldn't be just a DDoS. Then seen the tweet attached which suggests the attack was on a website that campaign staff use to upload materials onto an internal system.
But there are so many gullible people who, like with the Brexit campaign lies, will believe what they are told as gospel.
Example. The Austerity policy was introduced to balance the books.
Really.... Have the books been balanced after 10+ years. No they have not. That target has been kicked into the long grass.
Austerity was simply a charade in order to make a devastating attack on public and social services. 'We are all in it together' Remember that and remember who said it.
And remember George Osborne smiling with inner pleasure at the cuts he introduced. Well we all know what his and the fool Cameron legacy is. Utter chaos.
The guy was comparing politicians to santa claus, talking quadrillion spending and Santo grotto.
It was clearly a light hearted joke to start the article off.
Matt Hancock actually disgusts me. What a change of heart he's had over the last few months. His feed winds me right up ha.
And other stuff was as well ?
Its just the standard liberal line which is - nothing can get better and anyone who thinks otherwise is a child. I've mentioned this before but the lib dem are really running on the Clinton campaign of 2016.
Hang on, so being a small state right winger is a disability or are you criticising equating being born gay with being born a fish with a disability?
This was before Farage bottling it though, so I imagine they'd look completely different now, in favour of the Tories unfortunately.
This is clearly not a campaign article since he includes the lib dems in his criticisms, albeit more softly. And he isnt even saying we shouldnt do the things he talks about at all, but just talks about the difficulties of implemeting them. At worst he's being a bit of a killjoy.
Has anyone managed to persuade one of your mates, who know they don't want Tory but for some reason are passionately against or unsure about Labour, to actually just vote to get the Tories out? Because it seems so obvious to just do it, but even when they're presented with a good argument they don't seem to shift at all. Even those who know less than me about politics are coming out with stuff like 'but why would anyone vote for the Tories if they're that bad?'.
Feel like there's going to be a lot of people not voting that really should be just voting to get rid of them, for their own good and their family's.
Feel like there's going to be a lot of people not voting that really should be just voting to get rid of them, for their own good and their family's.
Looks like Labour will catch up again, by time the election comes round.
It's evident that the UK wants a hard brexit and the power to shift in favour of the rich. Else the Tory party won't be in the position it is now
Have you seen the interview where he was asked if he would stand up to Dominic Cummings if needed? He looked like his spine melted away and gave the most timid response possible, whimpering something about how he is loyal to Johnson.
I'll take a look! He is a shit house. His u-turn on proroguing will forever haunt him.
On another note, Labour voters have taken over social media. Encouraging to see but frustrating how quickly and effectively people mobilise in a GE.
Crikey, I was beginning to believe everyone on here was wearing blinkers and unable to see beyond their own unshakable ideological repulsion to the Tories. Good to see someone finally twigging that maybe, just maybe the thought of the current labour set up being anywhere near government is truly terrifying for a lot of normal people who wouldn’t normally vote conservative, myself included.
The grim reality is that unsavoury as the current Tory government is, the alternative is far, far worse ...[edit] for a lot of normal people.
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