UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80

How do you intend to vote in the 2019 General Election if eligible?

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 30 4.3%
  • Conservatives

    Votes: 73 10.6%
  • DUP

    Votes: 5 0.7%
  • Green

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Labour

    Votes: 355 51.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 58 8.4%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 3 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 1.3%
  • SNP

    Votes: 19 2.8%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 6 0.9%
  • Independent

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Other (BNP, Change UK, UUP and anyone else that I have forgotten)

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Not voting

    Votes: 57 8.3%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 41 5.9%

  • Total voters
    690
  • Poll closed .
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The next stage, if you're following my trajectory, is complete disillusionment and disengagement. Cynicism wins out.

I’ve somehow skipped every other stage and landed at this aged 33 1/4.
 
The next stage, if you're following my trajectory, is complete disillusionment and disengagement. Cynicism wins out.
Anyone reading the last three or so pages of this thread must be at or close to the abject disillusionment stage.

I’ve somehow skipped every other stage and landed at this aged 33 1/4.
I think an entire generation have tbh.
 
I believe Dyson brought out a new sarcasm detector a few weeks ago at a very reasonable price.

I was commenting on the fact we have become apathetic to such unconcionable behavior and not assuming the OP was being entirely serious.
 
Mr Corbyn, what are your views on Brexit?
"Don't know"
Right, you're hired!

And on the other side.

Mr Johnson, what are your views on Brexit?

"Whatever gets me the most money, power and kudos from other middle aged, white public schoolboys and Bullingdon Dining Club members."
 
I'd forgotten about that now you mention it. I can't imagine wanting your byline on that shitshow.


Fair question. I think I was more centre right, but drifted more left as I got older and more comfortable in life -as @Grinner predicted. A combo of Brexit, May, Johnson etc...means I'll never vote Tory ever again.
It's funny because I always thought people veered more to the right as they got older and more comfortable in life. I guess that's why you lost your job at The Daily Mail though, right? Still trying to figure out which newspaper you work for...Mr Morgan......(?)
 
It's certainly an extreme incarnation, with the purging of the moderates. I can't think of one reasonable MP in the party tbh and that cabinet...

The shift to the (further) right, the removal of moderate voices. It seems to me that the party has shut up part of its shop
Such as ? I constantly hear about tory moderates all the time(The guardian loves talking about this) but whenever certain moderate names get pulled up, a quick look into their history shows they have been far from moderate even in the conservative sense. To name just a few.

Amber Rudd - The Windrush scandal and ended up backing a no deal brexit deal

Theresa May - Considered a moderate during the Cameron years and looked where she ended up.

George Osborne - One half of the supposed liberal tory government imposed austerity which ended up giving Leave the win in the referendum.

Philip Lee - Former Tory who left the party to join the lib dem due to the tory policy on Brexit. Supports immigrating being HIV tested before coming into the country.


The rhetoric has of course gone further to the right but overall the policy is very similar to the ''moderate'' days of Cameron(Its gone from standard Thatcherism to Thatcherism mixed with nationalism on steroids). These tory moderates are hardly Angela Merkel.
 
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It's funny because I always thought people veered more to the right as they got older and more comfortable in life. I guess that's why you lost your job at The Daily Mail though, right? Still trying to figure out which newspaper you work for...Mr Morgan......(?)
I veered to the right in my mid to late 20s, when I'd moved to London and started paying taxes. I'm not a greedy, selfish fecker though so I veered back left.

I've actually written a piece for the Express which is in some ways worse than the DM.
 
Another proud institution becoming a joke in the space of a couple years:


I do wonder if the people working at the bbc are even aware they are presiding over the downfall of what used to be a national treasure?
 
Such as ? I constantly hear about tory moderates all the time(The guardian loves talking about this) but whenever certain moderate names get pulled up, a quick look into their history shows they have been far from moderate even in the conservative sense. To name just a few.

Amber Rudd - The Windrush scandal and ended up backing a no deal brexit deal

Theresa May - Considered a moderate during the Cameron years and looked where she ended up.

George Osborne - One half of the supposed liberal tory government imposed austerity which ended up giving Leave the win in the referendum.

Philip Lee - Former Tory who left the party to join the lib dem due to the tory policy on Brexit. Supports immigrating being HIV tested before coming into the country.


The rhetoric has of course gone further to the right but overall the policy is very similar to the ''moderate'' days of Cameron(Its gone from standard Thatcherism to Thatcherism mixed with nationalism on steroids). These tory moderates are hardly Angela Merkel.

I was thinking the same.

The only real change seems to be the dropping of the pretence that they are actually nice people.
 
I veered to the right in my mid to late 20s, when I'd moved to London and started paying taxes. I'm not a greedy, selfish fecker though so I veered back left.

I've actually written a piece for the Express which is in some ways worse than the DM.


For some reason I can't remember anything about the Daily Express except the masthead. Was it a Tory redtop?
 
For some reason I can't remember anything about the Daily Express except the masthead. Was it a Tory redtop?
It's like a pound shop version of the DM- all immigrants, Diana and property prices.
I wrote a tax planning feature for their money section years back.
 
I used to like reading Today when I was a labourer back in the 80s. It had colour pics in it. Eddy Shah was the owner, I think.
 
God, I remember it launching, but it was short lived. Feck knows how the Express and Star survive in the internet age. And the Sport, given porn is not exactly hard to find.
 
Such as ? I constantly hear about tory moderates all the time(The guardian loves talking about this) but whenever certain moderate names get pulled up, a quick look into their history shows they have been far from moderate even in the conservative sense. To name just a few.

Amber Rudd - The Windrush scandal and ended up backing a no deal brexit deal

Theresa May - Considered a moderate during the Cameron years and looked where she ended up.

George Osborne - One half of the supposed liberal tory government imposed austerity which ended up giving Leave the win in the referendum.

Philip Lee - Former Tory who left the party to join the lib dem due to the tory policy on Brexit. Supports immigrating being HIV tested before coming into the country.


The rhetoric has of course gone further to the right but overall the policy is very similar to the ''moderate'' days of Cameron(Its gone from standard Thatcherism to Thatcherism mixed with nationalism on steroids). These tory moderates are hardly Angela Merkel.
I know what you mean. Clearly Ken Clarke, Hammond and Gauke, for example, will no doubt have voted for bad stuff if they followed the whip over the years, as was the party norm.
No-one ever called May a moderate. The above are clearly less odious than Johnson, Raab, IDS, Patel etc...who all voted for the bad stuff with vindictive gusto.
 
I know what you mean. Clearly Ken Clarke, Hammond and Gauke, for example, will no doubt have voted for bad stuff if they followed the whip over the years, as was the party norm.
No-one ever called May a moderate. The above are clearly less odious than Johnson, Raab, IDS, Patel etc...who all voted for the bad stuff with vindictive gusto.
Ah fair enough. I just going off her starting off pro remain but yeah with regards to immigration she was on the more extreme end.
 
It’s unfair to say LibDems are basically Tory-lite though... ‘cos it’s mean and makes them feel bad.

They just want to vote for the same Tory MPs and wholesale Tory policies of 2015, whilst still getting the back slapping, head patting reassurance of pretending to be progressive. What’s so wrong with that!?

(*yes it’s okay to vote tactically, hush)
 
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Is there just no standards to campaigning any more? This is Trump level, just missing out on a recession and 0.1% in the last 6 months is "growing strongly" according to Hancock.
 


Is there just no standards to campaigning any more? This is Trump level, just missing out on a recession and 0.1% in the last 6 months is "growing strongly" according to Hancock.


Cant watch the video at the moment but was he even challenged? Seems very few political reporters even challenge politicians on the nonsense they spout these days.
 
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Cant watch the video at the moment but was he even challenged? Seems very few political reporters even challenge politicians on the nonsense they spout these days.

It's Tory HQ filmed so no. I doubt you'll hear anything on the news of this gaffe though.

Or this either (also a Lib dem candidate stepping down hidden in there too)

 
And on the other side.

Mr Johnson, what are your views on Brexit?

"Whatever gets me the most money, power and kudos from other middle aged, white public schoolboys and Bullingdon Dining Club members."

Agreed , the electorate are really spoilt for choice. Waiting for the fun and games when the manifestos come out, mental gymnastics will reign supreme.
 
Labour and Lib dems not being able to sort themselves out is going to result in Tory running away with it when half of the country doesn’t want this outcome. Grim.
 
Labour and Lib dems not being able to sort themselves out is going to result in Tory running away with it when half of the country doesn’t want this outcome. Grim.
To be honest I'm not sure how much sorting is to be done between a socialist (In the positive european sense) party where the only unanswered question is brexit and a neo liberal party who's only answered question is brexit.

If Bojomopingthefloorwithoutachievinganything gets as many seats as those two combined Britain just has to face the fact that it deserves Bojomopingthefloorwithoutachievinganything.
 
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