About sums it up:
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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I guess if the analysis is right that Leave votes in Labour seats are primarily drawn from non Labour voters then it still has the effect of splitting the brexit vote as much as it potentially does splitting the Labour vote.
This post is way too complicated for me. Could you please distil it down to an easily remembered phrase, perhaps three words?
I thought Farage hates the deal? He really is just a coward.
Jeremy Corbyn Eats Babies.
Gerron wiv it?
We are further along the road to North Korean standards for UK state media now.
What analysis is this? I understood the opposite to be true.
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I'm ok with the Mail having an agenda. Or the Guardian, Sky, ITV etc. But the BBC, a public broadcaster should only report the news - not create their own interpretation of it. There's dozens of examples of state news manipulating the truth over the years and none of them have been in nations you would call transparent.
Is anyone able to link the video from the @Conservatives twitter account showing Corbyn getting his numbers wrong on how many GPs they promised and failed to employ? They seem to be doing everything they can to make themselves look daft at the moment.
Only thing Farage hates is not being in the spotlight. It’s clear to me he’s started to panic now that his party are dropping in the polls.
I find it funny when those on the right accuse the BBC of having a leftist bias.
The truth is they’ve been a compromised institution the moment the Tories threatened to ‘reform’ it if they didn’t join the remaining cartel of right wing media outlets in towing their narrative.
I thought that too, looks like a bottle job. He's too lazy and fears another failure to run as a candidate and the Tories have told him to jog on so this is his only remaining play to give an illusion of control.
Labour were never going to flip many tory seats with Corbyn in charge, so Brexit Party also not competing there makes little difference to Labour. Though it does harm Lib Dems.
Labours problem is still how to attract centre left Remain voters with Corbyn's policies.
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Another factor is that it may focus the election narrative on Brexit, which is generally seen as bad for Labour, who prefer to talk about other domestic issues.
Potentially, but it might also tar the Conservatives with the no-deal Brexiteer fantasists brush and scare off more moderate voters.
And an Illusion is all it is. This effectively lets the Tories in again and maybe with enough seats to pass the deal that Nigel alledgedly hates so much.
If he had any balls he and the rest of them would be standing in every constitiuency as he had previously said. (And that is no pun intended on his historic Health issue !)
Also, Trump told him to start a pact with Boris Johnson.
There isn't a pact though is there? This is Farage acting independently it seems, could be wrong. Looks to me that the Tories wouldn't engage and he's saving face.
Did anyone seriously think Farage would stand a Brexit Party candidate in every seat?
Nigel knows the only way to be sure to get Brexit through following an election is for the Tories to be in power; however, they will lose some seats in the south to remain, so they need to make up that shortfall mostly in the north, they cannot do that without Brexit Party compliance.
Some Labour voters in the North with Leave tendencies might be tempted to vote Tory (holding their noses), but many more would vote Brexit if they could. Tories can now concentrate on their heartlands, Brexit Party will now 'home-in' on disgruntled Labour voters (and not just leavers) in both the North and the South who might have considered voting Tory if there were no Brexit Party candidate to vote for; now there is a clear signal, for Leavers in particular, but also other Labour voters who are not enamoured by Corbyn, on how to vote in a large majority of the Constituencies.
Of course all these 'tactical' voting schemes, leave or remain are OK in theory, but something else in practice, they all need a basic requirement to be effective and that is to convince people to believe they are not throwing their vote away. Farage started off with a make believe stand off to Boris, to try to avoid an air of over confidence, but now barely a week into the campaign he has been effective in his dexterity of shifting the emphasis; in not subjecting himself to scrutiny at the ballot box and now allowing the Tories collectively to 'stiffen the sinews and summon up the blood' and go out to fight the good fight, knowing TBP has their backs!
Love him or hate him, he is arguably the most influential Politician in the Country right now.
Nigel knows the only way to be sure to get Brexit through following an election is for the Tories to be in power; however, they will lose some seats in the south to remain, so they need to make up that shortfall mostly in the north, they cannot do that without Brexit Party compliance.
Some Labour voters in the North with Leave tendencies might be tempted to vote Tory (holding their noses), but many more would vote Brexit if they could. Tories can now concentrate on their heartlands, Brexit Party will now 'home-in' on disgruntled Labour voters (and not just leavers) in both the North and the South who might have considered voting Tory if there were no Brexit Party candidate to vote for; now there is a clear signal, for Leavers in particular, but also other Labour voters who are not enamoured by Corbyn, on how to vote in a large majority of the Constituencies.
Of course all these 'tactical' voting schemes, leave or remain are OK in theory, but something else in practice, they all need a basic requirement to be effective and that is to convince people to believe they are not throwing their vote away. Farage started off with a make believe stand off to Boris, to try to avoid an air of over confidence, but now barely a week into the campaign he has been effective in his dexterity of shifting the emphasis; in not subjecting himself to scrutiny at the ballot box and now allowing the Tories collectively to 'stiffen the sinews and summon up the blood' and go out to fight the good fight, knowing TBP has their backs!
Love him or hate him, he is arguably the most influential Politician in the Country right now.
Not yet there isn't...
I read that thread just up after, so it could be Farage trying to force the Tories hand.
How is the UK media killing off all this russian financing of the Tories? I've seen next to nothing on it.
Alexander Temerko 1.2 Million to the Tories
Lubow Tschernuchina 450K to the Tories
Alexander Lebedew unspecified.
Evgeny Lebedew unspecified.
Alexander Temerko 1.2 Million to the Tories
Lubow Tschernuchina 450K to the Tories
Alexander Lebedew unspecified.
Evgeny Lebedew unspecified.
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There's your answer.
The UK media consists of right wing owned papers and a BBC petrified of the government. They'll say they don't have the facts so won't report it but is anyone going to tell me they wouldn't have done an hour long hugely publicised newsnight episode on it if it was Corbyn?
Yes exactly - farage has been in panic mode since Boris became PM and claimed the Brexit high ground. Desperate to get a “pact”, farage is trying to save face as you say.
UK government delay of Russia report is shaming, says Clinton
Ex-secretary of state says it is unacceptable to keep report from public before election
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...elay-of-russia-report-is-shaming-says-clinton
Ex-secretary of state says it is unacceptable to keep report from public before election
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...elay-of-russia-report-is-shaming-says-clinton
Always worth saying that launching missiles after another country has already fired doesn't stop the scene from Terminator 2 from happening.
Does anyone still believe a single word that comes out of Farage's mouth. Don't think he wanted to be humiliated, yet again, in a GE. Losing all those deposits could be costly.
Heard he was offered a peerage which he turned down last week, presumably for services to mendacity.
Michael Foot was practically a traitor because he wore a short coat at the Cenotaph.
Corbyns anorak didn't go down well last year either
I've always found the Trident debate really very odd. Common sense says it should be scrapped and the huge amount of money saved invested in better areas.
Can't wait to meet these guys again the run up to the election
Can't wait to meet these guys again the run up to the election
Boris Johnson accused of fracking U-turn as firms 'could be allowed to drill for shale gas' just days after Tories announced ban
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/b...-ban-u-turn-shale-gas-general-election-921414
Didn't take long!
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/b...-ban-u-turn-shale-gas-general-election-921414
Didn't take long!
The Brexit Party and the Tories are for the most part ideologically congruous. Farage was once a Conservative member for ten years or so, but he's to the right of their traditional base (basically like the ERG members). It's no surprise that he's able to form an electoral pact with them under Johnson. On the other hand, the Lib Dems under Swinson basically represent the Tory party under Cameron. She is completely hostile to Corbyn and his policies and vice versa. An electoral pact is untenable because the ideological chasm is far too vast to be bridged by one flagship policy of stopping Brexit. Swinson knows the Lib Dems newfound donors who are pumping cash their way are those who have abandoned the Tory party. That well would quickly dry up if a pact formed with Labour, as would it also render null and void its ambition of winning over disaffected Conservative voters.
Nothing wrong with a bit of diversity.I've always found the Trident debate really very odd. Common sense says it should be scrapped and the huge amount of money saved invested in better areas.
Can't wait to meet these guys again the run up to the election
Hopefully that's the end of Farage bring a thing. Bottled it. Couldn't win a seat if his life depended on it the pathetic fecker.
Remind us all again how many seats Farage has won in his entire career?- Status