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UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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Was expecting worse than that tbh. I assume that's Maureen Lipman speaking up for the entire population of the Jewish community in the UK there...
She's a NATIONAL TREASURE
So how do we care for the least fortunate in society, if even those with the biggest disposable income aren't willing to contribute to it?
No, because anyone earning 17/18k now would be taking home say 15k. Under this scenario they would be taking home £25k. They've got more money.
Done my civic duty. I work in Adult Social Services, and I can't stomach more of the hard conversations I've had the last couple of years around policy decisions, and working in an understaffed team. I'm getting close to handing my notice in to get a job at Aldi.
They already do pay. But I’d argue you have to make it about their self interest rather than it being about a moral duty. At the moment you have a lot of people who don’t really pay very much for public services thru tax arguing those who do, are evil for not paying more. I don’t see how that is a winning argument.
And that is why you keep losing.
Its just a really weird logic considering you’ve been decrying how mean tax is on people who earn good money, your response to that is to ensure the rich get a bit extra disposable income and the burden is put onto the working and middle classes.
Instead of the rich questioning whether they need the top package on their new Range Rover you’re making the working and middle classes question if they need a car.
Good on you. I know exactly how tough it is and how difficult it is to bite your tongue at times too.
How are they allowed to do this? Are there not some regulations regarding subjectivity in the media?
Murdoch, Barcley Twins and Rothsmere the 4th controlling which way the country goes just because it is easier to influence the British government without the influence/interference from EU regulations. The rich will get richer and the poor will become poorer. How the UK population became the new USA as a cash cow for the very rich and influential.
Those with the biggest incomes already contribute more to tax than any other bracket
Gammon usually have jobs. They'll come at 6, unfortunately
If you're in the position to pay a bit more in taxes that implies state already did well for you. I currently earn almost 3 times the average wage in my country but also pay 42% of my total wage in taxes, so in essence I could be earning almost double that I do now If taxes didn't exist but I would happily pay even more according to any pay rise because I prefer to live in the society with the healthy fabric that sees less envy or inequality and better healthcare access, safer roads, better education, etc. than simply fulfilling some of my selfish needs.
A little over 12 hours until that exit poll!
With all due respect that's a product of Boris and his government. It should be fairly obvious that the worse the Tory government is the more the other side feel their side is the righteous one.
There's a lot of real anxiety and dread on the left (not even just the left centrists and former tories too) about where this country is going. I've never felt quite this unease on election day because it's not just having unfavoured policies enforced anymore it's far worse than that.
I'm putting myself firmly in a very negative mood. Shy Tories are going to feck us over. I think your emigration plan is a sound one at this point.
People on higher incomes aren't necessarily the rich. They are on their path to becoming so. They are also the people contributing the most to the economy, so we want to encourage them to work more.
As shown in the example you quoted, the working class (say those on or under average salary) would do better off under this system. Middle income people would be squeezed but these are also most likely the people who can retrain and try to earn more, thus contributing more. They are also the people who generally can't leave as easily as their jobs are less internationally transferable.
You then also tax wealth after it has been earned, through 2nd home taxes, mansion taxes, inheritance taxes etc. However I believe we want to both encourage high earners to do more work and make it attractive for the most talented people from elsewhere in the world to come and live in the UK.
Excellent.
Why take it to ridiculous absolutes? He said he believes JC can't fund his promises, you're saying let's have no public services at all then. No wonder centrism is dead when people can seemingly only countenance absolute extremes.
Free speech and all that. There was supposed to be a second inquiry into the practices that the press do in phone hacking and the disgusting stuff they did to the likes of Christopher Jefferies etc, but the Conservatives had it in their last manifesto that they'd drop it if elected and they were so it was swiftly dropped.
I see... thought you meant that £15k as the tax free allowance rather than a universal benefit on top of salary.
Me finding your arguments ludicrous is why Labour keep losing? Interesting do to tell me more.
I'm not a particularly high earner but I would be more than happy to pay an extra 5% so my kids can have a better education, health and public services. Why so afraid of that?
Haven't we all had enough of failing services, teachers having to collect donations to run schools, food banks, poorly run NHS, underfunded local authorities?
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Mind doing a comparison of people at different pay brackets?
I gotta vote labour cos I'm in a bit of a swing seat. I wonder how much of the Labour vote is tactical vote. Corbyn will no doubt take every vote as support for him and his policies.
I'm voting for him but I don't really support him.
I'm voting for him but I don't really support him.
Not wanting to be to extreme, but what the conservative party is proposing on "Brexit" is treason. Doesn't honor the 2016 independence vote and for me shouldn't be countenanced. No one voted to put the UK on the road to being an EU substate, and it doesn't "get Brexit done" in any way shape or form, an equally stupid slogan with strong and stable, remind us how that turned out
I'm a natural conservative, with left liberal leanings on quite a few things, not really sure who to vote for. My area is safe Labour but I don't want to be party to a Corbyn majority government either, just in case. So I guess either Liberal or i'll be writing in none of the above.
I'm a natural conservative, with left liberal leanings on quite a few things, not really sure who to vote for. My area is safe Labour but I don't want to be party to a Corbyn majority government either, just in case. So I guess either Liberal or i'll be writing in none of the above.
Nick is definitely winning today.
You want essential services properly taxed what kind of sick utopia is this?
We can't expect people to pay the taxes they paid in recent years under centrist governments, they'll become reclusive and won't work anymore silly.
We should lower taxes some more and then when we have to shut schools call people who want to return to our current tax rates economically mad. That's aspirational see!
Why's there so many people voting at polling stations anyway? You'd think everyone would do a postal vote
Labour supporters are working hard today, out on most streets, just dropped my son off at school and they were there too. Hopefully they can make a difference.
Not wanting to be to extreme, but what the conservative party is proposing on "Brexit" is treason. Doesn't honor the 2016 independence vote and for me shouldn't be countenanced. No one voted to put the UK on the road to being an EU substate, and it doesn't "get Brexit done" in any way shape or form, an equally stupid slogan with strong and stable, remind us how that turned out
I'm a natural conservative, with left liberal leanings on quite a few things, not really sure who to vote for. My area is safe Labour but I don't want to be party to a Corbyn majority government either, just in case. So I guess either Liberal or i'll be writing in none of the above.
Pretty much my thoughts exactly.
I guess this is for the other thread but I do find this quite amusing. You voted for the UK to 'Leave the European Union'. That's what it said on the ballot paper and that's all your entitled to receive despite what you might want. If you want some nuance in that vote then perhaps you should ask for another referendum?
I agree that my examples were hyperbolic in nature, but it served a point: While the typical right-wing policies are far from as extreme as portrayed in my post, over time their policies create a convergence towards a less functioning and unsafe society were the differences between the rich and the rest increases. The UK will follow the US's trajectory if they get another term with the Conservatives and more capitalistic/right-wing decisions/rulings.
The other parties have their faults as well, and there are no ideal candidate, but there are some that are worse than others from a long term society as a whole standpoint.
don't give in, you guys do a great job.Postal votes are boring, I love a good jaunt to my polling station.
I've asked my local council at least 3 times for a postal vote. Filled in the form, emailed it back, hand delivered it. Makes no difference. They don't even respond. Which means I have to vote in person. Does make me wonder how many others are missing out on a vote though because they can't get there.
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