I could see it with very high taxes including on businesses. Why bother if the money gets taken off you? There is a balance to strike that's for sure! Having said that a lot of the highest earners do what they do because they love working, challenging themselves, climbing to the top and money is a byproduct of that rather than something they aim for.
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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I could see it with very high taxes including on businesses. Why bother if the money gets taken off you? There is a balance to strike that's for sure! Having said that a lot of the highest earners do what they do because they love working, challenging themselves, climbing to the top and money is a byproduct of that rather than something they aim for.
Amen! Can you be my mp?
I'm hoping it's like being the last person to be Interviewed for a job and the point of releasing it late is so it sticks in people's mind when it matters?
Fair enough. They've certainly kept the media from them though.
This! Well done, let’s get them out. Let’s bring change to this country.
Every Tory voter (and right of the political spectrum person) in the nutshell, feck the climate change, feck the poor, feck the disabled, feck the environment, feck the rest because me.
Voted - for ******* Harman. I voted Lib Dem last time, which was an easy decision when Kate Hoey was my MP. Much easier decision this time round.
Happy enough with the polling station, just a slight disappointment over your lack of dogs. Good luck to the rest of you today.
Happy enough with the polling station, just a slight disappointment over your lack of dogs. Good luck to the rest of you today.
I appreciate the honesty in this post.
It's a standard right-wing thought process though - don't trust the left, economic ruin, I don't want to pay higher taxes.
I understand the pessimistic view that nobody is looking out for you, politicians can be useless. But thankfully a lot of people in this thread realise that they do have the chance to look out for other people.
Vote for the chance that the poor and vulnerable will be looked after better.
Not the certainty that they won't.
I'm impressed people can be openly so selfish as to vote Tory, but fecking hell am I glad I'm better than that.
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Maybe, but if so that's even crazier. You'd need to make the baseline something that is actually liveable and not below the poverty line for starters.
Bog off Tories.
Good luck to anyone who has taken time off to get the (Labour/local anti-Tory) vote out today. I'm out to Bishop Auckland, hoping to come back into this thread to us all talking about a good exit poll.
Come on folks, let's get Brexit done. By chucking it in the bin.
It's above the living wage as it stands I think, even the London living wage, equivalent to about a taxed income of £18k. Sceptical it would generate enough tax receipts though.
Either that or we spend the next 5-10 years negotiating with America from a position of weakness.
Is that you Jack? You alright?
This sort of puerile argument entrenches the view that many on the left are vapid and whiney.
You haven't read the costings evidently so it's a bit rich going on a high and mighty rant. Not all those listed are to be paid from income tax increases, in fact most of it isn't. Labour have marked 5.6 billion from it only where as the IFS said whilst uncertain it's plausible to get 6 billion.
A far greater slice is actually from reversing all the corporation tax cuts, since 2010 we've gone from 28% down to the proposed 17%, Labour have said they'll gradually raise it back to 26% so still less than 2010.
The rest is capital spending or smaller takes like IHT or marriage tax changes.
I have no problem with your selfish vote that is logical. What I'd take issue with is the usual bollocks you tell yourself to justify it. A basic decent society is not asking for utopia and you're only telling yourself that as a sort of justification for putting your own interests before those who need help.
Yeah exactly. Everyone gets a 15k basic income.
Interesting thread to check out, not that its anything we didn't know but nice to see balance.
good post.
are we back to insuring people who have a different opinion to you? I’d be be more than happy to have a coffee with you and explain my thinking.
I’ve never used the phrase “best and brightest”, I’ve never once correlated “intelligence” to pay - so why don’t you put your prejudices back in your box.
there’s been some good explanations of the marginal tax rate, and how they influence working patterns in this thread. It’s not about paying no tax, it’s evaluating at a certain point whether it’s worth working if you get taxed at 60%, or as I’ve said paying everything into a pension so you don’t get taxed - decreasing the tax take. Furthermore, it’s not about “not working hard”, it’s about not working billable days in that role.
Yeah, I obviously haven't done costings but that general idea.
Couple that with wealth rather than income taxes and near 100% inheritance tax (maybe 100k lifetime gifts limit) and I think you have the makings of a much fairer society.
Darwinism does not work from a holistic point of view. I thought that technology, community, shared resources and the whole being greater than the sum of its parts where important elements that made it possible for the humans to evolve from a hunter-gatherer society(and even they had elements of unity and shared contributions). Oh well, let's just regress our societies back to pre-cavemen... No school, no healthcare. Want food? Grow it yourself. Taking care of the elderly? No way, let them fend for themselves.
You would still have disability benefits etc for those who cannot work. The goal of such a system would still be for working to be incentivised. If you put a basic income too high some people probably wouldn't work and it would be too expensive.
No I'm not alright but something I do know is that neither Johnson or Corbyn are going to make me any better. Mind you sanctimonious witticism's like yours improve me no end. As for me being a tory well tell me some more fairytales such as I live in a great big mansion, was privately educated, inherited loads and loads of lolly. Fly around the world at least twice a day. Have so many offshore accounts I forget how many and have never done a days work in my life. Given that I do not have a jaundiced view of the world I cannot possibly have empathy with those less fortunate and obviously have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.
Sums it up nicely for me.
Interesting to note even Labour voters are more likely to be Islamaphobic than Anti-Semitic.
Doesn't matter it's puerile though if it's true. I do agree that we're all naturally greedy and selfish creatures but what defines us is an ability to go away (as much as possible) from this very basic instinct that lacks any empathy and holistic view of the society as a whole.
It's not a ringing endorsement of Labour though is it? We're slightly less antisemite than the Tories are islamophobes.
There is a stubborn intolerance of both religions nationwide.
I think centre right you can though. It's too broadbrush to just say right is evil.
Lower tax generally is a positive and few would want Italian or French levels of bureaucracy.
Ideally you marry that with a compassionate welfare state and functioning NHS.
I know centrism is deemed worse than fascism on here though.
@Virgil Why you would vote tory I still don't get? Apart from, essentially, saying an extra 100 quid in taxes a month is that is swaying you to vote for them at the moment, which is rather grim.
Not claiming there is just posted it for scale as the message really is both parties have problems and need to do more. However i don't think you'll eradicate either sadly.
The anti-semtism issue has got much more traction this campaign so it's valid to point out both parties have issues and it's not really valid to say I'm voting Tory on a moral basis because Labour have an anti-semtisim problem.
This kind of analysis is about making labour types feel better about losing. It isn’t a serious attempt to understand why they keep losing. I don’t think they really want to listen.
I can respect @Virgil 's reasons for voting Conservative.
At least he's honest. Unlike the cnuts he's voting for mind.
At least he's honest. Unlike the cnuts he's voting for mind.
We should create a league table for Self-righteousness - there is obviously a competition in here.
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Maybe the people who pay the most tax already just don’t want to pay anymore? It’s 100 quid a month now but you can be sure it’ll be 200 in the future then 300. Point is for labour there is no point at which they’d necessarily stop on grounds of principle.
Hitting the rich a damned sight harder? Not really, they're being asked to pay slightly more and still have a take home pay that the vast majority of people across the country could only dream of.
That said, I'd have no issue with a taxation rise for everybody if it meant we had fully funded public services and people didn't have to die on our streets because the state would not house them.
It's a crazy idea... you are basically massively increasing the income tax burden on middle and low-ish earners. Anyone earning between about £17-18k and £106k a year will pay more income tax. Significantly more for those towards the lower or middle of that scale.
Then everyone earning over £106k starts to pay significantly less tax than they do now. It's not progressive in any way, shape or form.
And selected other papers across the political spectrum (again, ordered by circulation):
(someone already posted the above one, but for consistency's sake)
(someone already posted the above one, but for consistency's sake)
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