UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80

How do you intend to vote in the 2019 General Election if eligible?

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 30 4.3%
  • Conservatives

    Votes: 73 10.6%
  • DUP

    Votes: 5 0.7%
  • Green

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Labour

    Votes: 355 51.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 58 8.4%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 3 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 1.3%
  • SNP

    Votes: 19 2.8%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 6 0.9%
  • Independent

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Other (BNP, Change UK, UUP and anyone else that I have forgotten)

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Not voting

    Votes: 57 8.3%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 41 5.9%

  • Total voters
    690
  • Poll closed .
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That’s a fair point! I would bet a lot of people are in my category. It’s hard not to be a realist though. As I say with PR system Iwould 100% gone with liberals.

Oh I understand, it's terribly frustrating I'm sure to not see the votes materialize and fear helping the alternative in power. :/ But frankly, if you're voting Lib Dem rather than Labour in FPTP, that's also going to help the Tories, but at least you won't feel dirty if they win and do things in your name.

Any vote you don't pass to Labour will be a -1 to them (only in case you would have voted Labour if not for Corbyn).

Any vote you pass to Tories will be a +1, an extra vote they normally wouldn't have gotten. The difference between -1 and +1 is 2. So if you vote Tory, your vote kinda counts double for the Tories.

If however, you vote for Lib Dems, that's a +1 for Lib Dems, a 0 for Tories, but still a -1 for Labour. Most important is, people got an indication there are others who want to vote Lib Dem in their constituency. Next time they might vote Lib Dem too. If they don't see others voting Lib Dem, they'll be more inclined to vote tactically for the least worst option.


In the above sense, it's important to remember that 1% of people changing their vote on Brexit from Leave to Remain would be a 2% difference in the result (+1% for Remain, -1% for Leave). I think we're long past the treshold by now. So "Getting Brexit done" as the Tories say (which it won't be, it's just starting) is actually very undemocratic in that sense.

It seems a lot of people don't understand that Brexit hasn't started yet and signing the paperwork to leave isn't actually finishing up, that will signal the start of either a transition period or an abrupt end to workable relations which won't be reversed easily.

I don’t think brexit will be as bad as what your saying, and I don’t think it will be as bad as debating brexit for another couple of years. We need stability and we need to move on.
Honestly, it's probably worse. :(

I mean, if reasonable people were in charge to mitigate. But you probably get Lord Bad Hairday Worse Pickpocket to lay the foundations of recuperation, he won't care of taking care of the things that bother normal people without diplomatic priviliges since it won't be bothering him personally.
 
This very recent tweet suggests we should report Kuenssberg to the police.

Should we call 999? :lol:

I'm being serious: whom/how in the police do we contact?



 
This very recent tweet suggests we should report Kuenssberg to the police.

Should we call 999? :lol:

I'm being serious: whom/how in the police do we contact?




Well I think you'd go with 101 rather than 999 for a start, not sure about who in the police you would contact though so you might just have to ask them.
 
This very recent tweet suggests we should report Kuenssberg to the police.

Should we call 999? :lol:

I'm being serious: whom/how in the police do we contact?





Interesting. What's the punishment supposed to be? I'll report her if the witch will spend a night in a cell.
 
Well I think you'd go with 101 rather than 999 for a start, not sure about who in the police you would contact though so you might just have to ask them.
:lol: :lol: is it 101 nowadays? Ive never calls the police, and it was 999 when I was a young :lol::D
 
Oh my god, BBC news are currently looking at the financial markets and said:

"Looking at the pound and how this election will effect it. Investors are looking for certainty and a Boris Johnson government will leave the EU and that will likely strengthen the pound whereas the other option, a coalition will lead to more uncertainty and a weaker pound".

They're no longer bothering to hide it are they?
 
Oh my god, BBC news are currently looking at the financial markets and said:

"Looking at the pound and how this election will effect it. Investors are looking for certainty and a Boris Johnson government will leave the EU and that will likely strengthen the pound whereas the other option, a coalition will lead to more uncertainty and a weaker pound".

They're no longer bothering to hide it are they?
I can't see how that is bias
 
Oh my god, BBC news are currently looking at the financial markets and said:

"Looking at the pound and how this election will effect it. Investors are looking for certainty and a Boris Johnson government will leave the EU and that will likely strengthen the pound whereas the other option, a coalition will lead to more uncertainty and a weaker pound".

They're no longer bothering to hide it are they?
Good god!

The country is about to get what they deserve unfortunately and there’s seemingly not a single thing we can do to stop it.
 
Oh my god, BBC news are currently looking at the financial markets and said:

"Looking at the pound and how this election will effect it. Investors are looking for certainty and a Boris Johnson government will leave the EU and that will likely strengthen the pound whereas the other option, a coalition will lead to more uncertainty and a weaker pound".

They're no longer bothering to hide it are they?

It's a perfectly fair point. A Corbyn government would prolonged the uncertainty and business has long been asking for a direction of travel to be decided upon one way or the other.
 
It's a perfectly fair point. A Corbyn government would prolonged the uncertainty and business has long been asking for a direction of travel to be decided upon one way or the other.

Indeed. I'm not quite sure how else people want the BBC to report that reality?
 
It's a perfectly fair point. A Corbyn government would prolonged the uncertainty and business has long been asking for a direction of travel to be decided upon one way or the other.

Yet every single time Brexit was thwarted in some way, be it extended or no deal blocked, sterling rebounded which is evidence directly to the contrary that a Government that is willing to make Brexit happen regardless would be good for GBP.

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And when you have the exact same thing coming from Labour ex-PMs? Time to realise they're both shite and you're only voting for the lesser of two evils.

Except like much of what you've been writing, that just isn't true. Not a single ex-labour PM had come out and said don't vote Labour. Blair has major differences with Corbyn but he's still voting Labour.

Everything is false equivalence with you lot. It's just like the Republicans who voted Trump because well Hillary is bad too (apparently).
 
SAMMSKY: "Hello, is that the police?"
BLOKE: "No, it's Wang's Fish Bar."
SAMMSKY: "I'd like you to arrest Laura Kuenssberg. Also, sausage in batter and chips."
 
Ffs really?
Yes really.

Is it not a fact that investors prefer certainty to uncertainty?

Of the billion polls there have been, what, in all reality are the two most probable results?

Of those two possibilities which one would bring the most certainty to the markets?

It would be the same if the polls were indicating a Labour majority versus NOC the market would prefer the Majority every time.
 
I can't see how that is bias

It's a perfectly fair point. A Corbyn government would prolonged the uncertainty and business has long been asking for a direction of travel to be decided upon one way or the other.

Voting for Boris in no way, shape or form will stop uncertainty. I mean, we have no agreed trade deals... the negotiations of which will go on for an extremely long time. This whole 'get Brexit done' rhetoric is a total farce and talking about 'his deal' when he doesn't really have one. Whatever happens, the uncertainty remains. If anything, I would say Labour winning would provide more certainty because we already know it would be a referendum between remain and Brexit-lite.
 
SAMMSKY: "Hello, is that the police?"
BLOKE: "No, it's Wang's Fish Bar."
SAMMSKY: "I'd like you to arrest Laura Kuenssberg. Also, sausage in batter and chips."
And my coke from Boris’s fridge please :lol:
 
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to suggest that the pound will strengthen in the event of a Tory victory in the short term. Boris is obviously talking out of his arse when he promises “getting Brexit done” but at that point we will at least have some closure about our future EU status (ie at that point it’s a given we’re leaving with no lifeline for remain). I’d imagine that would offer some reprieves for businesses planning their future without the EU knowing leaving is a sure thing.

In the long term however I can only seeing it worsen with the inevitable folding of businesses, others deciding to feck off elsewhere, and the likely austerity we’d be subjected to under an unchecked Tory administration.
 
Total donations over £7,500 received by parties during 27 November - 3 December

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Total​
Advance Together​
Conservative and Unionist Party​
Green Party​
Labour Party​
Liberal Democrats​
The Brexit Party​
Linked the donations under the totals.

This is probably what the bloke from Birmingham was referencing when he said Brexit would be a disaster for the rich and great for the poor folk like him. Those bloody millionaire turkeys voting for Christmas.
 
Voting for Boris in no way, shape or form will stop uncertainty. I mean, we have no agreed trade deals... the negotiations of which will go on for an extremely long time. This whole 'get Brexit done' rhetoric is a total farce and talking about 'his deal' when he doesn't really have one. Whatever happens, the uncertainty remains. If anything, I would say Labour winning would provide more certainty because we already know it would be a referendum between remain and Brexit-lite.

A) Labour winning outright is extremely unlikely, which makes a coalition the realistic alternative to a Tory majority. A coalition almost by definition brings more uncertainty than a single party majority.

B) The thing you refer to as bringing uncertainty to a Tory government (i.e. the lack of trade deals) would surely be a feature of a deal negotiated by a Labour government too, no?

C) An outcome that results in the results of said negotiations being put to an unpredictable and volatile public vote is again almost by definition more uncertain than one that doesn't. It is simply an outcome that has more variables.
 
:lol: :lol: is it 101 nowadays? Ive never calls the police, and it was 999 when I was a young :lol::D
101 is for non-emergency stuff, they like to give you a call back about 4 hours later to tell you they won't be doing anything about your issue.
 
It's a perfectly fair point. A Corbyn government would prolonged the uncertainty and business has long been asking for a direction of travel to be decided upon one way or the other.

Short-term (next 6-9 months), yes. But ultimately Labour’s Brexit Policy (in coalition) will either deliver remain (and pound back to 2015 levels) or a soft-ish leave, whereas a Johnson majority will get us to the giddy heights of about 1.35 to the USD before we enter another period of volatility as he unsurprisingly does not negotiate a great trade deal in less than a year and the threat of the cliff edge hovers with very few pro-EU Conservative MPs around to restrain him.
 
Of course the pound has strengthened in the last few weeks when it looks like a Tory majority.

More uncertainty and it will go down again.

That's not to say when reality of Brexit starts to hit home it won't go down again.

Still see some believe the three month nonsense and horned creatures.
 
More from Laura:

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"I'd like to apologise to viewers living outside London - it must be awful for them."
 
A) Labour winning outright is extremely unlikely, which makes a coalition the realistic alternative to a Tory majority. A coalition almost by definition brings more uncertainty than a single party majority.

B) The thing you refer to as bringing uncertainty to a Tory government (i.e. the lack of trade deals) would surely be a feature of a deal negotiated by a Labour government too, no?

C) An outcome that results in the results of said negotiations being put to an unpredictable and volatile public vote is again almost by definition more uncertain than one that doesn't. It is simply an outcome that has more variables.

A) Labour winning outright is unlikely but as the country's 'impartial' state broadcaster, they could easily say that investors would prefer the winning Government to have an overall majority rather than stating that they outright favour Boris.

B) No it wouldn't because Labour will keep our trading relationship with Europe broadly the same. In the manifesto it states, "a new customs union, a close single market relationship and guarantees of rights and protections."

C) I maintain that because a Labour Government would lead to a choice simply between remain and the above scenario, it's actually less uncertain than whatever Brexit journey we end up going on with Boris. You say it's more uncertain just because of a binary public vote but how does that compare to whatever Boris has planned? Can you even tell me what you think Boris has in store for us all in terms of EU trade etc? You can't...
 
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