Some in here would 100% have voted Trump in the last election. Also can people really stop with the "I'm not a Tory schtick" when all you post is pro-tory bollocks.
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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Very few will admit it, which is strange, why vote for a party you are embarrassed to vote for?
"I'm not a tory I swear, they're just getting my vote!"
Isn’t there an old saying, all Tories are cnuts but not all cnuts are Tories? It might have something to do with it...
I didn’t say it’s a shoe in, I sad they can form a minority government with 275 seats.
Also how is it possible that you can get the simplest of calculations wrong
275 Labour 45 SNP 10 Lib Dems 18 NI 1 Green 1 Speaker leaves 300 for Tories...
I think you've forgotten Wales, boyo
Tories 338 seats
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Been an interesting few years. A lot of fairly sane people have fallen into the trap of saying that the world was great until the baddies Farage and Trump turned up and ruined everything. In reality, they just took advantage of countries that have become split on every major issue and social media being more useful to campaigners.
Onto Thursday, intrigued to see how it goes. The big question is how many shy Tories are out there and perhaps a more interesting question would be how many shy Labour voters there are. In some traditional “working class” areas this might be what wins it for the Tories or results in more lost seats and potentially having to go in a more formal coalition.
Also, what will appear stronger. The need to “get Brexit done” or a hatred of the Tories.
Onto Thursday, intrigued to see how it goes. The big question is how many shy Tories are out there and perhaps a more interesting question would be how many shy Labour voters there are. In some traditional “working class” areas this might be what wins it for the Tories or results in more lost seats and potentially having to go in a more formal coalition.
Also, what will appear stronger. The need to “get Brexit done” or a hatred of the Tories.
Name names.
Absolute joke. Should be illegal.
Interesting polling
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it’s closing
I know it's polls, but...
Yep. I feel a bit sad that the last few elections I've been able to vote in have been a case of choosing a sensible option rather than having a clear favourite i.e I like Labour but don't like Corbyn much and I have grown on Sturgeon but don't like SNP much but it's just a case of doing the best of a bad bunch for a couple of votes now on the trot. Sad but has to be done.
How many do they need for a majority?
There you go. It’s narrowed 
Voting intention & seat estimates
Model updated 10th December
Voting intention & seat estimates
| VOTING INTENTION ESTIMATES | SEAT ESTIMATES | ||
|---|---|---|---|
| Conservative | 43% | 339 | |
| Labour | 34% | 231 | |
| Liberal Democrats | 12% | 15 | |
| Brexit Party | 3% | 0 | |
| Green | 3% | 1 | |
| SNP | 3% | 41 | |
| Plaid Cymru | 0% | 4 | |
| Other | 2% | 1—2 | |
| Northern Ireland | 18 |
Model updated 10th December
Lib Dem SURGE
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I don't want to get excited but this news is good.
Aren't the SNP insanely shite on the NHS ?
But but I was told most of the country is in the centre!?!?
320 if you don’t calculate 8 non voting Sin Fein 1 Speaker and 2 deputies.
The most interesting one will be the final Survation poll which is published tomorrow.
In a way I think I’d rather have a clear Tory majority than a slim Tory majority. The slimmer the majority the more they are beholden to the extremists in the party.
It's one of those where getting an SNP/Labour coalition gives Scotland the best chance of independence. When push comes to shove both parties would agree to disagree and budge to get each through in their respective positions I reckon.
If you stick to spend as a proportion of GDP that's somewhat irrelevant. If the economy grows at a slightly slower rate then the spend as a proportion grows slightly slower also.
As I said increasing spending by 3-5% per year in line with GDP growth would have been sensible. Increasing spending at twice the rate that the economy was growing is stupidity.
I don't understand the obsession with accruing mountains of debt just to artificially inflate the economy in the short term. The chickens always come home to roost so the artificial wealth creation in the early 00's is now being paid for by the current generation.
Also in terms of it "taking money out of the economy", that's not really the case given that we'd still have debt. It's merely rebalancing a historic imbalance. We also have a huge pension black hole along with a massive public debt that we're dumping on the next generation so a bit of common sense is easily justifiable.
Do you know what is really "taking money out of the economy" though? The several hundred billion in interest that we've paid since 2001.
Out of curiousity though if you believe in a large budget deficit when the economy is regarded as at the peak of a boom, what do you think the deficit should look like in a recession and how/when would you go about balancing the books?
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I’d also be interested to see what effect this has on tactical voting models. Call me cynical but I think polling companies are in a clear position of power and could feasibly release polling data which malevolently manipulates the tactical voting models.
No need everyone knows or can make that judgement and it's become very evident they're a sensitive snowflake bunch.
I'd just encourage people to be a bit more honest, if there's a valid reason to compromise your values to vote this version of Tories in fine but own it ffs. No one can argue a Tory vote this time round isn't hugely conflicted (well maybe Tommy Robinson), those who decide to still vote them in become complicit as Republican voters are for Trump. You can't disassociate yourself from any aspect of a party to which you lend your vote.
I just find it mental that I've barely heard or seen Tories admit they dislike Boris's behaviour but on balance they'll still vote Tory. It's either ex-tories who have taken a moral/brexit stance or those left becoming obsessively partisan to American standards. Conversely loads on the left have made this compromise and are open about their decision without becoming raving corbynites.
If Raab lost his seat I’d call that a little victory.
They’re all fecking extremists. They got rid of all the moderates. Who’s left?
Ah fair enough.
Yes, England's slide into right-wing nationalism is Labour's fault.
Some of the places on that list shifting to Conservative is absolutely mental.
Dennis Skinner set to lose his seat probably the biggest shock for me.
Here's the most recent one, by YouGov for Sky News.
https://yougov.co.uk/uk-general-election-2019/
Predicts a Tory majority of 28.
Going to be a tense election
Not really. Maintained free prescriptions and waiting times are lower than England's.
Education on the other hand? Ooft... Now there's where the shite lives.
He would be the father of the house if he retains it... He's held it since 1970... Labour since 1950 when it was formed
Corbyn and the (lack of a credible) brexit policy is toxic there
Are those polls before or after the Leeds hospital fiasco?
Reddit says there are 85 seats where the projected majority is 5% or less. This could get interesting...
Reddit says there are 85 seats where the projected majority is 5% or less. This could get interesting...
If the election campaign was twice as long I wonder what the outcome would be...
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