If he does understand it makes it worse. You have a lying leader of the Tories who is prepared to do anything to leave - instead of being honest, unlikely in a politician but still, Corbyn proposes an impossible scenario to gain votes and there are people, including in this forum who actually believe what he's proposing is remotely possible which makes him just as much of a liar as Johnson. He is either stupid or a liar.
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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If he does understand it makes it worse. You have a lying leader of the Tories who is prepared to do anything to leave - instead of being honest, unlikely in a politician but still, Corbyn proposes an impossible scenario to gain votes and there are people, including in this forum who actually believe what he's proposing is remotely possible which makes him just as much of a liar as Johnson. He is either stupid or a liar.
He did the thing that I really hoped he would, leave Brexit behind and bring policies to getting the country back on its feet to the forefront. That’s what will get votes up and down the country and swing it in my opinion, that and Johnsons buffoonery and cowardice.
I'm not sure of your point. For lots of reasons particular teams fanbases will have particular political skews.
I'll bet Liverpool, Utd and Celtic will be left in general over Chelsea, West Ham and Rangers.
That may be the reason for the Caf's left leaning party over-representation. I can't think of a better reason but I could be wrong.
The likes of Donald Trump or Boris Johnson would probably be banned on here for their conduct, so really that surprising the lot who'd vote for them aren't here? Has to play a role.
I was impressed with Corbyn's speeches at the TUC and the Conference.
Will listen to this speech later.
I agree Phil.
Real Labour is back.
End of Tory Lite.
That'd be the cult of wanting to actually change things for working and middle class people by attaining power and enacting Labour policies.
Perish the thought.
*shrugs*
Say whatever you want, mate. End of the day realistically it all ends in another Tory government.
Celebrate the big ol’ shift to the left all you like, it’ll never gain any real power, especially when the figurehead is a man who is about as popular with the British public as genital warts.
In fact, a fun game could be ‘who would Corbyn beat?’. He’s already been slain by May bot and set to lose to one of the biggest buffoons in politics. The Tory party could appoint a man who claims to be inhabited by the spirit of Donald Duck and probably win a healthy majority.
They abandoned the working class.
a little austerity for the poor never hurt anyone.
Yep. Always makes me laugh how those in the Cult of Corbyn laugh at those who were/are supportive of Blair. The only man to lead the Labour Party to Government in 45 years and he did it 3 times. Christ knows when we're next looking at a Labour government. Back end of the 2020s I suspect.
What ?
You do know May isn't prime minster anymore and the only reason we have stopped Brexit happening today was because of the labour result in 2017. Also I wouldn't open with the Donald Duck line.
May was a hideously unpopular person, yet still more popular than Corbyn, and still managed to form a majority government. She stepped down to someone else who the British public mostly dislikes, and he too is going to win because even if he eventually has to step down and be replaced by somebody else horrid, he's still preferable to most people than the bag of cold sick that is Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister. Theresa May might have had to step down eventually due to her own inability to act like a human being, but Corbyn still lost to her, and the Tories remained in power.
As previously mentioned, Labour used to win elections .. handsomely. Now it's get out the party poppers when the party is an inconvenience to the Tories. So the 'yes finally we got our labour back' shite as the party is headed towards new lows in terms of electability all seems a little fecking ridiculous to people. And all whilst the goal couldn't be more wide open as the Tory party have actually appointed a massive, weird child as their leader. Boris fecking Johnson is going to win an election but hey, thank feck the labour party is back in business, let's get out the panda pop and have a party.
It's not as simple as a choice of personalities. People who continuously vote Conservative want it to be 'business as usual' regardless of who leads and who opposes.
His speeches have been getting better and his leadership style has matured over the last three months - the changes remind me of the Thatcher makeover in 1977-78.
I thought his speech was inspired by Gaitskell with a touch of Bevan - at last drawing on the real traditions and not cheap populism.
The attacks on Rupert and the other scumbags was very funny.
Cummings is going to get a fight.
Won’t be Cummings (well, not all of it) - Conservatives are returning to the playbook of Lynton Crosby.
Just in case you were in any doubt as to the kind of campaign they’ll run...
Cummins is taking time off for an operation isn't he?
And its Isaac levido running the show (used to work for Crosby)
I suspect the campaign is going to be nasty from all sides... On that basis I'd back the nasty party to walk it
I can only hope to reach the levels of Palpatine(Also every good lefty knows Palpatine was a progressive)
The only tory my Irish Republican nan liked was Thatcher, because at least her hate was pure. She hated the working class, socialism, national liberation and she was dam well proud of it. But nowadays its like getting blood from a stone, endless time wasting about how society is unfair, human nature is such and such, first they come for the billionaires, next they'll come for......All for what ? To hide what we already know which is middle class tories think people on welfare are animals.
Its sort of sad in a way.
Kl you just ignored my post.
If you actually want to talk about New Labour era then fine we can but at least do it in way that based in some sort of reality rather than nostalgia for the 2000's(The model of New Labour used isn't workable anymore). Because honestly politics isn't like a game of football, its not as simply as getting a new manager in.
That’s a start
So the reason you'll be leaving the EU in three months time will be because of the Labour result in 2019?
Yep, Lynton not directly involved. Isaac at the helm - cut from the same cloth. Bringing an Aussie digital agency with him.
Lib Dems working hard to elect the Tories.
did you read the chuffing survation thread...
the data I posted was the who would you vote for
they said in the thread after what the question was for the tactical voting question...
the straight our voting intention figure is libs+20 lab -20 from the last election
However the mailchimp link at the end shows its not that bad nationwide
FFS just read the thread
its right in there
and as always with survation ... full tables... though clearly you wont be bothered to read them by the looks of it
https://t.co/akOMqoF8fc?amp=1
What a joke.
No I didn't, I addressed it. I just don't consider what Corbyn did remotely worthy of some great level of praise. He lost to May but not so badly, mostly because of her own inability to act like a human being. What more can be said about that? May bot malfunctioned throughout the entire campaign and repeatedly shot herself in the foot with a grenade launcher. I'm not about to give Jeremy a round of applause for not losing *too* badly, nor am I about to celebrate the labour party now just being an inconvenience to Tory brexit plans, rather than a legitimate alternative of government.
That model isn't workable, but the current model (which is failing utterly) is the right one? Corbyn's the most unpopular opposition leader in my lifetime. You're not going to win elections if you're led by a man who a large portion of the public thinks is a fecking cretin. It's actually even more simple than getting a new manager in, if the guy who is head of your party is roundly pretty despised by the country you want to win an election in, you're going to have trouble .. wait for it .. winning elections.
Trump is interfering. It does matter and he should butt out. The t*sser.
Maybe, in a proportional representation system. But in reality, voting like that in FPTP can bring in exactly the opposite type of government policies you want.
I think Trump is a vote winner.
The more Trump gets involved the more the British electorate will see through the moves to Americanise the NHS.
The more Trump gets involved the more the British electorate will see through the moves to Americanise the NHS.
Yes, the record levels of homelessness are nothing to do with 10 years of Tory policy.
People just can't fit in the normal fabric of society.
Keep kidding yourself.
https://news.sky.com/story/homeless...s-double-in-five-years-charity-warns-11589693
Why do you believe that?
This is a total manufactured argument based on a tosser who is the world champion at spouting utter shite just because he thinks he has to say something about everything. Any fool can see that the Tories even contemplating such a move on the NHS would be political suicide. Labour should formulate better arguments for their campaign rather than relying the ramblings of a total moron.
Fact is, we would get a confirmatory referendum. Remain or leave with a deal both on the ballot.
I'm well aware of what constitutes 'aspiration' under Conservative rule:
"We'll take away your only tin of soup, and provide you with a spoon - then you can aspire to having steak!"
"Wouldn't a fork be more suitable?"
"Sorry - we don't give a fork."
"We'll take away your only tin of soup, and provide you with a spoon - then you can aspire to having steak!"
"Wouldn't a fork be more suitable?"
"Sorry - we don't give a fork."
Do you not understand how PAYE tax bands work? Of course you wouldn't be taxed on the full amount!
Tories can get away with it as long as they find a way to blame immigrants.
Im glad someone else thought so to. Ridiculous post. And not his first I might add.
Actually, if you're voting Tory you are contributing to the problem. But with this thought process you are also absolving yourself from blame. Nice.
simple really.
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