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UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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I’ve had to block Darren Grimes and Tom Harwood on Twitter. I’m all for different opinions but these feckers seem to be everywhere and I don’t know why they are given so much airtime to talk as if they are an authority on anything.
It's definitely got better in the last 12 months. I walk several miles across town every day, and it's particularly improved in areas away from Piccadilly Gardens. The middle is still bad, but at least there I'm seeing far fewer spice zombies.
However, I wouldn't credit the Government too much. The Mayor has had a much bigger influence on the state of affairs, as far as I can see.
Billionaires pay almost nothing in taxes.
It’s definitely central Government funding and a (patchy, sort of a) strategy, though Burnham has belatedly started to make a difference on his own terms after a bad start.
The fear with the ‘tax the rich’ methodology is that the über-rich, the ones that are meant to be targeted, will just avoid it anyway. The effect being that it will hit the level below them, the wealthy but wealthy through hard-work, entrepreneurialism, outstanding talent etc etc
That’s the turnoff with the whole idea. It’s a bit like upping CTX across the board. The huge corps will just move their tax bases, and the net effect is that SMEs without an international group structure will end up being the ones effected.
Most people that are against these measures don’t want to see children starving, people trapped in poverty, etc etc at least I doubt they do. They’re just skeptical that they will have the desired effect
That’s the turnoff with the whole idea. It’s a bit like upping CTX across the board. The huge corps will just move their tax bases, and the net effect is that SMEs without an international group structure will end up being the ones effected.
Most people that are against these measures don’t want to see children starving, people trapped in poverty, etc etc at least I doubt they do. They’re just skeptical that they will have the desired effect
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Well we can’t just not try something just because there’s a possibility it might not work. This country creates billions upon billions of pounds worth of wealth and it’s about time it got its dividend.
Easy way to mitigate the aspiration problem being quoted, put that funding towards tuition bursaries or fees so the lower classes can be encouraged to be more aspirational.
Put it towards SME loans and lending to green energy businesses.
Put it towards SME loans and lending to green energy businesses.
As far as I can work out Labour's current tax plans would mean a person earning Sun Tzu's 104k per year would pay an extra 1200 quid, or + 1.6%. A massive aspirational dampner to be sure.
Maybe I've got the wrong figures.
Edit: I think maybe the inheritance stuff might be more important to some
Interesting how people on this forum are so pro Labour according to the poll.
We're people who aspire to not starving.
Haha, yeah. General polling would show this forum is massively over represented by Labour supports and Conservative supporters are under represented, I wonder why that is? I imagine an age profile thing.
It is more than i expected especially as i went undecided and i blather on about Labour.
Still you know northerners should be voting Labour. Only southerners should really be considering Lib Dem
I'm sure he understands but is selling Labour as willing to Brexit but only on terms that won't destroy our economy or the GFA. Lets face it nuanced detail doesn't seem to matter much any more.
I can think of many other reasons. What age profile do you think the general forum has?
I would guess 80% would be under 30.
In the football forum? Sure. In the general? Not so sure at all.
I'm 43. I am not alone in remembering the 80s in this thread.
What are the reasons you think?
I think that this forum is primarily Northern UK, Celtic or metropolitan and that those demographics tend to be more to the left, amongst other reasons. This doesn't surprise me.
I suspect a West Ham forum to overly represent the Tories and their less disguised allies for similar reasons.
To expand, although the globalisation of the PL dilutes this, especially in the football forum, UTDs core fanbase UK (and Eire) fanbase is broadly left leaning.
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Yeah, definitely a good point. I wonder if Fergie supports this iteration of the Labour Party like he did in the Blair/Brown years.
They are both despicable individuals masquerading as political experts. Some of the comments they come out with are laughable yet as you say it’s ridiculous how they are given any air time at all.
well edited. I’m not against paying a slightly increased tax rate but the proposed IHT levels (or lifetime gifts bullshit) are too low and will hit some people who aren’t wealthy in monetary terms.
And there’s no party that can convince me that I shouldn’t want to pass what I’ve worked for on to my children without them being hit with a massive tax bill.
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Corbyn threw a surprise when he set out the Labour agenda today. Finally buried the curse of Blair and cheap Toryism.
Defending the NHS, saving the people and protecting Britain - old style 50s Socialism delivered in 21st century rhetoric.
This might just turn into a very interesting election.
Defending the NHS, saving the people and protecting Britain - old style 50s Socialism delivered in 21st century rhetoric.
This might just turn into a very interesting election.
From what?
West Ham has a 36k+ Labour majority.
Yep, the curse of being in government and expanding the welfare state.
The curse of 3 wins with comfortable majorities... Yup burried
Fergie's a blind loyalty kind of guy but also into his wealth and nepotism so I wouldn't like to say.
There were no surprises from JC. Exactly what was expected.
The curse of Tony Blair? You mean the curse of actually being electable? The last time Labour were actually electable?
Old style 50’s socialism ... brill!
The team is not the area. I'd be surprised if a West Ham forum polled like the Caf. I may be wrong.
The team isn't the area, but most of East London is a Labour shithole. They might have a few more vocal Brexit Party types, although we'll defo have a good few shy ones lurking in the shadows.
All those Manchester West Ham fans vote Labour too...
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