UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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Meddling in foreign elections I see.
The limitation of exploitation is cool, a necessary aim, but there are people who have trained, sacrificed and worked hard due to personal aspiration who will also be negatively affected by Labours policies. These aren’t obscenely wealthy people and they have more than likely got where they are by being self determined and had aspirations which may, or may not be money oriented.
And they should not only have the right to be oriented by financial betterment but should be respected for it.
ensuring billionaires pay their fair amount of tax is very different to hitting middle class families who have decided they want to be financially comfortable and have worked hard for it. Labour are not speaking for these people now.
Indeed... Hence I said extra shift... I.e income at highest marginal rate meaning at 83% tax any additional work would net you less than somebody on basic rate on the living wage... Cracking I can see doctors lining up for the extra shifts now
Farage exclusive interview with trump. Now on LBC
Nowhere does is say they are weighting the EU and local elections over the 17 GE, it says they use MRP polling and constituency level demographics to predict how people will vote in each constituency, then make a recommendation based on the positions of the candidates in each one as to who you should vote for.
without seeing what you're talking about I can't comment, but if it's as transparent as Owen Jones' attempt then it's most probably bollocks. From what I've seen Owen spends about 95% of his time attacking Lib Dems and ex Labour MPs on twitter rather than going after the Tories or Farage, he's pretty obsessed tbh.
taking 2 of those:
Given the way things have changed since 2017 with the Lib Dem revival in the polls and the way Brexit has developed I'd say it's more than possible the Lib Dems are the most likely to beat the Tories in these seats, and alot of others too.
read this thread, the comments and her replies for a better understanding of it.
Seems dodgy to me. I'd advise anyone boring tactically to do their own research and not rely on that (or any other single website).
Whats the betting that Trump is using Farage to get a quid pro quo with Johnson. Favourable public statements about Boris getting a fantastic deal with the US if he becomes PM and forces a hard Brexit in return for Christopher Steele / an official UK IC statement that Steele's report was completely fabricated and untrustworthy.
Well, yes. That stands to reason.
And he calls Corbyn a coward.
Won't be long before she's outed as a Labour 'activist' mind.
has this government been to harsh with cuts to some aspects of the welfare state? That’s the real question and I think that have been too deep. Are the UK particularly poor when it comes to the homeless? Absolutely not. Go to big cities in Canada and the USA, it’s horrific.
also wtf have billionaires got to do with the homeless? Absolutely nothing.
I think the logic is simply that they are supporting the female David Cameron.
They are, on this matter, speaking for me and I fall very much into your description.
Do not assume your opinions are reflected generally by "these people".
Bizarre interview 
You cannot see a connection between taxation policy and spend on social care and welfare support networks? You think billionaires are somehow outwith society? Do you not think greater tax revenue and spending on social infrastructure are in anyway connected?
Firstly the fact you even have to ask that the question is genuinely disturbing but more importantly saying its bad somewhere else isn't an answer(It another way for you to justify the awful outcomes of your vote). Again voting tory is actually making the issue worse.
Really have a bit of self respect and class pride, for christ sake. Just say you aren't interesting in helping the poor, that they deserve the conditions they live in. To her credit Thatcher was at least honest about this.
They are of course linked. But the reason I brought up billionaire in our discussion most because you quote my other post.
The homeless problem in Vancouver is basically the same as the homeless problem in Manchester when I left 18 months ago. Infact I would say that Manchester edges it.
Do you make decisions to do extra work on hourly rate calculations? I certainly don't. I couldn't even tell you my hourly rate in fact as that's not how my salary or business work. Short term revenue gains are not my principle motivator and I am fortunate I can say that. I am not a Doctor but I guarantee that my decision to do extra shifts would be based on many factors and net pay for those hours would not be high on the list unless I were in financial dire straits.
I now have an image of swinson and a pig's head in my brain... This is not good
It appears based on stats that homelessness is not at its worst in recent history.
However, I find that hard to believe. The sheer volume of visible homeless people in the UK's cities has increased enormously in the last five years. What was once a London phenomenon is seen everywhere. Cardiff, Manchester and Glasgow are extraordinarily bad in ways I have never seen in my no longer short life.
Ok Fingeredmouse, maybe an assumption too far but maybe I should have said Labours policies will alienate a lot of people in the category, i too am one of these people. I’ve done ok through graft and good fortune and Labour are not a home for me anymore.
And that’s not because I am a right wing Tory, far from it, I am a traditional Labour voter but I am also aspirational and it seems that aspiration of any kind is unwelcome under Corbyn and MacDonnell.
no billionaires are within society and they pay significant tax. It’s up to the government what they do with it.
vancouver wasn’t too bad when I was there in 2018 to be fair, although they have significant drugs issues they have revolutionary schemes to combat that. Montreal this summer was horrific.
The Tories have pumped money into homelessness this last two years, especially in Manchester, Birmingham and Merseyside. Most people I talk to expect this November’s rough sleeper count to fail on last year. Will be interesting (if it happens) to see if this pops up in the campaign narrative.
Perhaps it's all part of a cunning plan to make Abbott look semi competent
An unequal society actually effects the ability of people to become a doctor, lawyer, prime minister or president. Nobody sets out aspiring to have $100b like Jeff Bezos, would his life be so bad if he'd only been successful enough to make 500m?
Nice strawman, how about we go the other way, should one person be allowed to control all the wealth because that's what they aspired to?
This is what being part of a society is, making sure the greater good of all is put ahead of the individual. What about people who work full time jobs that can barely pay the bills, can't afford to buy a home, have to use food banks to feed their kids, should their aspirations not count?
So if we tax them 900m as soon they get to 1b you're ok with that?
I think that aspiration of any kind is unwelcome is an extreme interpretation personally. For me, society's support networks and cohesion matter more than personal financial wealth and I believe that an improved society is wealth in of itself. I understand your view though and, perhaps, someone like the Lib Dems might be more of a home for you.
I won't be voting Labour either but for very different reasons.
And up to the Government to ensure they actually pay said tax and do so at appropriate levels.
It depends why they are poor. Lazy knob heads who can’t be arsed working why should I give a shit? People who are pro active and work hard? Different question all together. I’ve seen this shit first hand under Labour. One half of my family were wasters, did feck all other than breed like rats, sponge off family and the government. Would you believe it but they had to start working when the free lunch was withdrawn.
Jesus fecking Christ.
You don’t think these people exist?
Calculating and maths isn’t his strong point (is anything?), he tried to explain why Help to Buy was bad without having any idea how interest charges on it worked in another thread.
I’m fairly sure he’s Michael Essien.
The vast majority of people living in poverty in this country are in a working household though, so while your anecdote might be useful for someone writing a Daily Mail article, it's not exactly a solid foundation on which to build a welfare policy.
I agree with your views on society and support networks and wouldn’t mind a small tax rise to help fund it but social cohesion isn’t likely to be attainable any time soon with both the Tories and Labour retreating to their extreme trenches on the right and left. In my view social cohesion requires a centrist government which is why Tony Blair did so well for a while and why I actually thought David Cameron did an alright job too for the most part.
I have no problem paying my share of taxes and would willingly do so but my relatively modest aspirations are under direct attack from labours plans.
I think the innovations involved and the money to be made with tackling climate change will be the next big wealth creator.
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