UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80

How do you intend to vote in the 2019 General Election if eligible?

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 30 4.3%
  • Conservatives

    Votes: 73 10.6%
  • DUP

    Votes: 5 0.7%
  • Green

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Labour

    Votes: 355 51.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 58 8.4%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 3 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 1.3%
  • SNP

    Votes: 19 2.8%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 6 0.9%
  • Independent

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Other (BNP, Change UK, UUP and anyone else that I have forgotten)

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Not voting

    Votes: 57 8.3%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 41 5.9%

  • Total voters
    690
  • Poll closed .
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I wouldn't be too worried about the BBC. As frustrating as it is to witness it the influence of traditional media is waning.

Having said that all the Brexshit backing organisations have gone hard on Labour immigration policies today as they are scared NHS might gain traction.

Expect papers to follow suit tomorrow.
 
I'm struggling to use my words when I come across thick shit like this. Are you dyslexic or illiterate? You've quoted the answer you tool. They are not new registrations, they are applications to register. Lots of people move home and fall off the register.
Woah. @Sassy Colin might act like a bit of a twunt but he's MY twunt. That was completely uncalled for and I challenge you to a duel.

In other news - feck the Tories.
 


Oh look everyone, some real breaking news here that is absolutely worth mentioning. Dominic Cummings is writing his blog again.

Or if we put it another way, Laura is promoting the personal blog of her "Source close to Number 10".
 
From my last post.

The Labour Party has done far more than just saying sorry a couple of times and they certainly haven't dismissed it. The party is in far better place with these changes but for some people there is

1)A complete denial that the party has taken steps to fight anti semitism.

2)To view these changes as nothing more than saying sorry.

3)Demand bizarre actions such as disowning Facebook groups and toxic social media accounts.

The data shows the labour party isn't full of anti semites, the party isn't in anyway a threat to British Jews etc. There is small element of semitism in labour and the party has taken action to fight against that. There can be serious discussion on anti semitism but asking labour to disown social media accounts is beyond stupid.
Everything you write is most certainly true, and I agree it’s absurd to suggest Corbyn himself had any racist or anti semetic tendencies. I can’t think of anyone else practicing in UK politics who has fought for the rights of minorities more than him.

And yet Labour struggle to make this point stick, to the extent that Jewish Labour PMs have left the party in protest and the chief rabbi makes such sensational claims.

It’s obvious to me that this anti semite campaign is a character assassination attempt by anti Corbynites. And yet despite its absurdity, Corbyn can’t shake it.

Proclaiming it as unfair is pathetic: this is the nature of 21st century personality politics. Especially as Corbyn is literally the most experienced and battle savvy politician in the whole of parliament! He is more to blame than anyone else in his inablity to debunk these claims. Why is this??

as someone who cannot stand Boris Johnson, I find it incredibly frustrating.
 
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@Pexbo tell us how you really feel.

Ugh it's feckin wind up mate. We're lumped paying a licence fee for a supposedly impartial service and in return we get a political editor who might as well have a desk in No 10.
 
Ugh it's feckin wind up mate. We're lumped paying a licence fee for a supposedly impartial service and in return we get a political editor who might as well have a desk in No 10.

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So let's say the polls are right and Johnson wins a majority, what do we expect will happen to the NHS in the next five years? Will it even exist?
 
That makes it three successive Prime Ministers who were (or are) desperate to avoid scrutiny.
 
So let's say the polls are right and Johnson wins a majority, what do we expect will happen to the NHS in the next five years? Will it even exist?
Well one thing is for sure. If that happens then it will be like the entire conservative party jumping into a Kamikaze plane and flying it into a mountain. Labour can then restore it and rule forever. So vote Tory ;)
 
That just could be an opinion. I still say he'll be a fool to back down. Take the kicking like everyone else.
You say that like unashamedly avoiding genuine scrutiny while your political opponents are ravaged by right-wing media attack dogs hasn't been an increasingly popular strategy for three successive Conservative leaders over half a decade or so.
That makes it three successive Prime Ministers who were (or are) desperate to avoid scrutiny.
Snap.
 
If Boris doesn't go for the interview, it's a massive mistake, almost malpractice, by corbyn and his team that they agreed to go. It's a fight for power not a morality contest.
 
I read the word order in the sense of magnitude, eg as a being of a different political magnitude. The Chief Rabbi weighing in on an issue that has been a running sore for Labour for years. It set the news agenda for the day. Yes, the tories do have an islam issue but it's not yet a running political sore for the Tories as antisemisim has been for labour - although I suspect if Labour could sort their own issue out, it could become one.
That is exactly the point! It should be a 'a running political sore for the Tories'. But the difference in media coverage means you don't think it is.
 
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But the concerns of British Jews go beyond Labour members - it's a sense that the Labour leadership either don't care about this or have aided or abetted in it. Corbyn himself has described groups with extraordinarily anti-Jewish records as 'friends' in the past. Richard Burgon has called Zionism the 'enemy of peace' - granted, there's plenty of discussion to be had over Zionism and its benefits/drawbacks, but blanket statements like that reinforce the idea the Labour leadership doesn't really care about anti-Semitism or has aided it at times.
Er...again I literally listed the way to which the party and leadership have made changes to tackle antisemitism. And what about Corbyn record of standing up against anti semitism, how can the two examples you gave cause utter panic about the return of the 1940's but Corbyn supporting Britain taking in Yemeni Jews means nothing ? I can give concrete examples of how the party has change to fight against anti semitism and the counter is - well there is a sense that the Labour leadership doesn't care.

We are back to the video I posted earlier with the Jewish women who felt terrified at the idea of a Corbyn government. She kept saying there's a under current of anti semitism in Labour but when pushed to define this, she didn't have anything. It really is awful that a section of British Jews feels this way but the answer isn't to abandon critical thinking.


If the Tories were to within the next week apologise for anti-Islam elements within the party, while saying they'll follow protocols to ensure it doesn't happen again while also suspending party members responsible for such remarks, would you be completely fine with them, and willing to take them at face value?
No because the tories cause material misery both to british muslims and muslims abroad, it's not the odd Facebook group or some crank tweeting. Its - Prevent, The selling of weapons which is causing the deaths of muslims in Yemen, continuing the war on terror, failing to support rescue missions in the Mediterranean, failure to take in a credible number of refugees, christ even austerity has hurts women of colour the most (Which a large part will be muslim women) The tory islamophobia goes far deeper than Boris and his letterbox comment.
 
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Oh look everyone, some real breaking news here that is absolutely worth mentioning. Dominic Cummings is writing his blog again.

Or if we put it another way, Laura is promoting the personal blog of her "Source close to Number 10".

You don't think the govt's chief political advisor making public statements about Brexit isn't newsworthy? Are you ill?
 
That I'd exactly the point! It should be a 'a running political sore for the Tories'. But the difference in media coverage means you don't think it is.
The media coverage reflects what's newsworthy as much as it shapes it. Media isn't just about what's right or wrong, it's about what gets attention. In short, big names have challenged Labour over antisemitism over an extended period. Big organisations have got involved. As a result, it's got more attention and the Tories' problem has been overshadowed. That's why Labour should have worked harder to publicly kill this story. (Labour's media management is amateur hour but that's another story). No conspiracy is needed here.
 
Clive James - some Australian broadcaster - is the headline now.

It's so fecking obvious that the BBC want the Tories to win. Absolutely nothing can make me believe otherwise after the last few months of utter dross that's come from them.

You do know who Clive James was right?
 
You say that like unashamedly avoiding genuine scrutiny while your political opponents are ravaged by right-wing media attack dogs hasn't been an increasingly popular strategy for three successive Conservative leaders over half a decade or so.
Snap.
I’m not a saying it ‘like’ anything mate.
 
The media coverage reflects what's newsworthy as much as it shapes it. Media isn't just about what's right or wrong, it's about what gets attention. In short, big names have challenged Labour over antisemitism over an extended period. Big organisations have got involved. As a result, it's got more attention and the Tories' problem has been overshadowed. That's why Labour should have worked harder to publicly kill this story. (Labour's media management is amateur hour but that's another story). No conspiracy is needed here.

I agree but I think a deeper reason why the story has gained traction is that anti-semitism is no longer virulent among the broader population and therefore these accusations grab people’s attention. Anti-semitism all seems very pre-War and exotic. On the other hand, there is a large amount of anti-muslim sentiment.at large and I suspect a lot of people are at best indifferent to these stories and in many cases think “good old Boris” when he compares muslim women to letterboxes.
 
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