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The problem is, a lot of the working class who are now voting Tory don't wan't to see the truth.
They are voting for Brexit, that is all they are interested in.
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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They are voting for Brexit, that is all they are interested in.
There's ani-semitism in the whole of society sadly, of course it's in the Labour party, as it is in the Tory party.
I've reported quite a bit of anti-semitic stuff on Twitter and most of it has been from people who certainly aren't Labour! They've usually been somewhere on the Brexit right of things. It's usually only been one click away from Leave.eu or the Brexit party, therefore views held by their followers. In some cases Tories.
you automatically go off the voters register if you dont send the form back each year
So a lot of people naturally fall off when there is not a GE and then resubmit info when there is an election - so I could believe those figures
Would it be possible to take to BBC to court for not properly observing Purdah and what would happen if it did?
Insulting another member
I'm struggling to use my words when I come across thick shit like this. Are you dyslexic or illiterate? You've quoted the answer you tool. They are not new registrations, they are applications to register. Lots of people move home and fall off the register.
”What more can Corbyn do?”
This from Yair Wallach (one of the most reliable and reasonable guides to this controversy IMO) would be a start:
This from Yair Wallach (one of the most reliable and reasonable guides to this controversy IMO) would be a start:
They are the official statistics: https://www.gov.uk/performance/regi...=2017-06-01T00:00:00Z&to=2019-11-01T00:00:00Z
I guess it must be a combination of new folk registering and other folk moving house or amending/resubmitting their forms and whatnot.
Can you list some of these issues that are supposedly 'front and centre'? And referring to other parties' handling of the matter isn't deflection but rather a benchmark to assess how much is being done across the spectrum to tackle bigotry. Does the fact that Johnson and the Tories receive less scrutiny and condemnation over their own allegations suggest they’re doing a better job of handling it and hence should serve as a target starting point for Labour?
Again, beyond his public condemnations of anti-semitism, sanctioning internal investigations, suspending members and barring culpable candidates, what else would you have him do that is deemed 'good enough'? This is something that is poorly elaborated by his most vehement accusers.
You said in your previous paragraph that he should be doing more but now you’re saying you can’t pinpoint what exactly it is he should be doing. He permitted investigations which concluded no evidence of there being an objective anti-Semitic epidemic in his party, definitely no more so than any other party. And would you not entertain the possibility that perhaps the reason it keeps coming up time and time again is because the media have decided they don’t want it gone any time soon?
You could make a case for him not being a strong leader, but couldn’t you also argue that a supporter of the underdog is exactly the empathetic change of direction in leadership this country needs? Because up until now we’ve largely had politicians hailing from elitist and privileged backgrounds who you could argue wouldn’t be able to resonate with the common struggles and hardships of the ordinary man.
Because he seems to have made an effort to get rid of anti-semitism in the party, where it's been found, and is not himself anti-semitic. It seems to be being used to attack him, but it was raised before under Miliband and Corbyn has stepped up dealing with it. The Party has adopted agreed definitions of Anti-semitism and I believe is working from them to discipline people. He's not denying it's a problem.
I suppose the fact that this gets in the press around election times is what makes Labour supporters feel like it's a party-political attack on him as much as anything. None of which helps anyone who has been the victim of anti-semitism.
As I said I have staunchly Labour friends who are Jewish, who don't see this as black and white as some people might like us to
The whole FOI process takes about six weeks tbf and whoever you're asking can delay it or even reject it on cost grounds. We make regular ones to HMRC, FCA, Treasury etc.,.
So is that Laura at the BBC not even pretending to be impartial anymore?
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The Conservatives have suspended their candidate in Glasgow Central Flora Scarabello over "alleged use of anti-Muslim language"
The Conservatives have suspended their candidate in Glasgow Central Flora Scarabello over "alleged use of anti-Muslim language"
Since the last election there have been:
5.3 milion registrations applications from Under 25s,
5.7 million from 25-34s,
3.2 million from 35-44
and a combined 4.6 million of 45+.
It should be stressed that these are not new registrations a lot of people, especially older ones, will have moved etc, HOWEVER there has been an absolute record of 11 million applications from people under 34 and even if a quarter of them (I expect the figure to be more than half) are new voters then expect the Conservatives to be dished with another youthquake!
Surprising numbers given the total 18-24 population of the UK is only about 5.7M total.
Labour have accept the IHRA, ban members, made political educational video on fighting back against crank conspiracy theories. Chris Williams is literally standing against the party because it got rid of him on anti semitic grounds.
The party has over a quarter of million members, it can't spend all day checking Facebook. The level of standards some people want from Labour is simply impossible to reach. Not to mention the labour party at its best could be a educational tool for working class people, simply kicking anyone out the party for crank conspiracy theories does feck all in helping change the country.
Labour is trying to create socialism in Britain, it isn't trying to get someone on twitter fired.
The cynic in me says this is yet more immediate groundwork being laid down by the Tories to debunk claims that they are not dealing with Islamaphobia in any upcoming BJ Neil interview.
Scarabello is just a sacrificial lamb for the alter that is Prime Minister Boris Johnson. I expect a few more token sacrifices in coming days.
Scarabello is just a sacrificial lamb for the alter that is Prime Minister Boris Johnson. I expect a few more token sacrifices in coming days.
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They can do that while simultaneously disowning prominent voices/outlets within the party who have peddled anti-Semitic nonsense. They aren't being asked to go through user by user - just call out fairly well-known voices and inform them when their behaviour isn't acceptable. Your last line there sort of creates an impression this is just an annoying aside for the party instead of a significant issue they need to tackle - and continue tackling - head on, not just something they can sorry for a couple of times and then dismiss and done and dusted.
Skinner losing his seat would be quite remarkable. Although the same model also has Swinson barely hanging on - any further drop in Lib Dem fortunes and she'll be out. Didn't expect that, but then expected the Libs to hold strong on around 15% or so and that's seeming unlikely now.
Probably, especially considering they've got feck all chance of winning any seats in Glasgow anyway.
Casual anti-Semitism has long been a virtual badge of honour amongst the upper classes, the very people the Conservative Party best represents.
in full?
https://www.channel4.com/news/factc...tion-ihra-antisemitism-definition-or-examples
Is there a new document?
I work in elections and a number of the registrations for our authority are duplications of people who are already registered but for some reason have gone on and registered again so this then results in a lot of work for us to sort these out.
I was also going to suggest that, but my knowledge of competition within Scotland constituencies is zero!
I was also going to suggest that, but my knowledge of competition within Scotland constituencies is zero!
They're obviously far from popular up here in general but Glasgow especially is still a bit of a no-go zone for them.
Yeah that makes sense. I can see some folk being unsure they've registered. We're forever getting election reminders and leaflets asking us to register posted through the door even though we already have.
Would you say there was anything out of the ordinary regarding the number/age of the people registering for this election, or is it in line with what you would expect?
From my last post.
The Labour Party has done far more than just saying sorry a couple of times and they certainly haven't dismissed it. The party is in far better place with these changes but for some people there is
1)A complete denial that the party has taken steps to fight anti semitism.
2)To view these changes as nothing more than saying sorry.
3)Demand bizarre actions such as disowning Facebook groups and toxic social media accounts.
The data shows the labour party isn't full of anti semites, the party isn't in anyway a threat to British Jews etc. There is small element of semitism in labour and the party has taken action to fight against that. There can be serious discussion on anti semitism but asking labour to disown social media accounts is beyond stupid.
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It's likely that anyone with a UK socialist mindset would sympathise with Palestinians and is often outraged by actions imposed upon them by Israel. This will obviously lead to harsh criticism towards the Israeli Government. In that instance, some people conflate Government with the entire people. It can be an oversight or deliberate. Pro Israel folk will then deliberately muddy the definition between anti-zionist and anti-semite in an attempt to shut down all criticism. I've sure most of us have seen this entire process play out in less than 30 seconds. I suspect that a lot of the alleged 'anti semitic' noise within Labour party exists within this space. To their credit, Labour has spent passion and energy trying to clarify its position.
Of course there will be some across all society who despise the Jewish people for pure racist reasons, and those have to be found and harshly dealt with. But we also cant deny this subject is also complex, political and has many competing agendas at play.
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It's more than that about 6.7 million estimated last year. Many would have moved. With it being the end of term loads of students would have gone home so re-registering at their parents address. I estimate about a quarter being new voters but judging by the crazy registration campaign it could be as many as half. We won't know until lists are produced.
Given the seemingly indefatigable lead that the Tories have in opinion poll, is a Conservative/LibDem hung parliament the best way to get BJ out of no 10?
LibDems would insist on a 2nd referendum as the price for their coalition. Remain wins that coalition. Tories then implode into another brutal civil war, with BJ, Gove and JRM as early collateral damage.
Abit of a stretch I know, but I cant think of any other possible scenarios. Labour/SNP won't get enough seats.
LibDems would insist on a 2nd referendum as the price for their coalition. Remain wins that coalition. Tories then implode into another brutal civil war, with BJ, Gove and JRM as early collateral damage.
Abit of a stretch I know, but I cant think of any other possible scenarios. Labour/SNP won't get enough seats.
I'm 28 and have had to register for basically every election in my adult life due to moving around. It could well actually be every election, I remember a fair few polling booths!
I reckon so.
I'd say they should just empty chair him but nobody would watch it. That's really poor from the BBC though and no way of balancing it out if Johnson decides not to show up. Maybe they should suspend Laura K's twitter account for a day as a good will gesture.
Where did you get that stat from? Seems to be 5.7M based on the data from this page.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...tins/annualmidyearpopulationestimates/mid2018
I think Johnson will do it and there will be something of an apology for his remarks about muslim women. If he doesn't then Cummings isn't doing his job right.
But the concerns of British Jews go beyond Labour members - it's a sense that the Labour leadership either don't care about this or have aided or abetted in it. Corbyn himself has described groups with extraordinarily anti-Jewish records as 'friends' in the past. Richard Burgon has called Zionism the 'enemy of peace' - granted, there's plenty of discussion to be had over Zionism and its benefits/drawbacks, but blanket statements like that reinforce the idea the Labour leadership doesn't really care about anti-Semitism or has aided it at times.
If the Tories were to within the next week apologise for anti-Islam elements within the party, while saying they'll follow protocols to ensure it doesn't happen again while also suspending party members responsible for such remarks, would you be completely fine with them, and willing to take them at face value?
From around 1961 to 1979 (my Youth to early Adult) I was a member of the Labour party and from 1983 until 1999 (In my prime, right up to when my knees started to knock) I was a member of the Tory party.
Whilst active In both parties I observed various forms of what today is recognised and called out for what it is, racism. In labour it had a predominantly anti-Jewish focus and in the Tory party mainly anti-Asian (rather than anti Islam) and had business connotations rather than personal ones. In both parties initially it was what might in those days have be called 'soft' racism, not direct 'in your face' examples, but behind closed doors or in certain company, racist jokes/stories etc. were told.
There was always an harder edge to things in the Labour party where it seemed to me that a dislike, often bordering on hatred of the State of Israel, became conjoined with the antagonism toward the individual, who was Jewish. It was only in the later stages of my time in Labour that the really nasty aspects emerged, although these were for the most part few and far between, but nonetheless they existed and were witnessed by many but no attempt was ever made to call them out by the party hierarchy, everything was glossed over. It was one (of several) reasons I left the party.
Three or fours years later and attracted by a politician who actually did what she said she would do (yes Mrs T) I joined the Tory Party. The racism here was much more subtle, only really surfaced in certain company, and was always more about ethnicity than religion. I do remember one incident where a senior member of the local party did take to task one of the members about his inappropriate jokes, "not acceptable and we don't want anymore like that" were the exact remarks issued, by the Party official.
I suppose in those days many of the acts of racism could be screened off, or ignored completely; people who were otherwise of the same political viewpoint, found it distinctly uncomfortable to realise their comrades had a bigoted/racist streak in them. "Swept under the carpet" is a phrase that springs to mind and surely we will all be better off when the carpets are finally lifted and the house properly cleaned? Not sure this election will necessarily advance that sweeping though!
Whilst active In both parties I observed various forms of what today is recognised and called out for what it is, racism. In labour it had a predominantly anti-Jewish focus and in the Tory party mainly anti-Asian (rather than anti Islam) and had business connotations rather than personal ones. In both parties initially it was what might in those days have be called 'soft' racism, not direct 'in your face' examples, but behind closed doors or in certain company, racist jokes/stories etc. were told.
There was always an harder edge to things in the Labour party where it seemed to me that a dislike, often bordering on hatred of the State of Israel, became conjoined with the antagonism toward the individual, who was Jewish. It was only in the later stages of my time in Labour that the really nasty aspects emerged, although these were for the most part few and far between, but nonetheless they existed and were witnessed by many but no attempt was ever made to call them out by the party hierarchy, everything was glossed over. It was one (of several) reasons I left the party.
Three or fours years later and attracted by a politician who actually did what she said she would do (yes Mrs T) I joined the Tory Party. The racism here was much more subtle, only really surfaced in certain company, and was always more about ethnicity than religion. I do remember one incident where a senior member of the local party did take to task one of the members about his inappropriate jokes, "not acceptable and we don't want anymore like that" were the exact remarks issued, by the Party official.
I suppose in those days many of the acts of racism could be screened off, or ignored completely; people who were otherwise of the same political viewpoint, found it distinctly uncomfortable to realise their comrades had a bigoted/racist streak in them. "Swept under the carpet" is a phrase that springs to mind and surely we will all be better off when the carpets are finally lifted and the house properly cleaned? Not sure this election will necessarily advance that sweeping though!
Im not really sure about breakdown as the team just process them as quickly as possible however there has definitely been an increase in people registering (albeit some duplications) compared to 2017. We definitely expect a spike for major elections and this then results in major workloads for us. Also a lot of people doing postal votes as well.
From here: http://www.agediscrimination.info/current-uk-population - it usese ONS statistics but I may be reading the 64-74 as 18-24 though you can't tell that well due to the colours being repeated
Clive James - some Australian broadcaster - is the headline now.
It's so fecking obvious that the BBC want the Tories to win. Absolutely nothing can make me believe otherwise after the last few months of utter dross that's come from them.
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