Nothing to see there. No apologies needed from Boris or any Tories for things they have actually done and said.
Corbyn though is personally responsible for any card carrying Labour member or twat with a social media account.
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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Nothing to see there. No apologies needed from Boris or any Tories for things they have actually done and said.
Corbyn though is personally responsible for any card carrying Labour member or twat with a social media account.
Quelle Surprise. Needs to be reported and verified by more mainstream sites than 'Global Justice Now' as people will neither see it or believe it.
there is 2 ways of looking at it:
1. Retired people can pop down any time in the day - they can avoid the rain and head down whilst its still light whilst younger people tend to be working and are more likley to have childcare etc and may not fancy popping out in the dark at 6pm to go and vote
2. Older people may not want to head out in the cold and are therefore less likely to vote
I think the truth is as there really isnt data on the issue its a guess - i would be interested to see if requests for postal votes have gone up as that might be an indication of people thinking about it... (personally i always get a postal vote as I travel a lot with work so can never be sure where I will be on election day)
Of course if there is a snowstorm in some areas on the day this could have a major impact on the voter turnout locally over and above simple dark cold / wet but there is data for summer elections which suggests weather has only a very small impact on turnout and far less than if the election is likley to be close (research by oxford uni I believe) - if this holds true for winter remains to be seen
I think the most worrying bit of this although i guess entirely predictable is that the US want to enforce it being possible for US companies to sue our government in the same manner as was disputed with the TTIP.
Yup, this is what will be concerning the establishment and the conservative party.
Very high proportion of the votes going to Labour me thinks?
Could this be the election where the balance in the UK tips?
Younger voters "take over"?
Urgh, this is terrifying.
Thought this was interesting in The Guardian yesterday
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...in-people-registering-to-vote-good-for-labour
37% of new applications in 2017 were duplicates so the figures might not be as big as they seem.
I think the NHS being fecked over is the immediate and obvious concern but that line about' banning any talk about climate change' takes the biscuit for me. These people absolutely do no give a feck about anything other than making themselves richer.
100%
The problem is, a lot of the working class who are now voting Tory don't wan't to see the truth.
"When I voted for face-eating leopards, I didn't think that they'd eat my face!"
Kuenssberg's dealing more spin than a bowling attack of Warne and Muralitharan
An excellent thread on the scale of Islamaphobia in the Tory party, certainly doesn't look on a different scale to me it looks much worse.
The NHS story itself is seismic but it says a lot that it took someone outside of the media to call on the freedom of information act to expose the documents.
It’s not the first time we heard about it either, Corbyn first revealed it in the first election debate, which begs the question - why didn’t the media run their own due diligence then and attempt to shine more light on it instead of begrudgingly discussing it now that they have no choice? You’d think something as pivotal as the potential breakup of the NHS warrants them to actually do their jobs?
Even now they’re attempting to downplay it, that recent tweet from the BBC posted earlier sums it up.
It’s not the first time we heard about it either, Corbyn first revealed it in the first election debate, which begs the question - why didn’t the media run their own due diligence then and attempt to shine more light on it instead of begrudgingly discussing it now that they have no choice? You’d think something as pivotal as the potential breakup of the NHS warrants them to actually do their jobs?
Even now they’re attempting to downplay it, that recent tweet from the BBC posted earlier sums it up.
About as legitimate as Murali's delivery too.
All trade agreements need a dispute resolution process and investor protections. That fact in itself isn’t controversial, but it’s the specifics of the process that matter.
Also @Honest John, notice how the document agrees not to mention any talk of climate change in the trade discussions - still think the Tories give a hoot about it?
I personally don’t think Corbyn is racist. However, it shows he’s not proactive, and for this issue to still be dragging on shows he’s not a leader that can deal with a problem. This could and should have been put to bed many months or years ago ago - it continues to be a problem because of his lack of leadership and action taking. It looks as if he doesn’t think it’s a problem, more of an annoyance and it’s not significant to his agenda. Would have been very easy to put to bed.
Given that it allows corporations to sue governments for policies they deem harmful to their business interests, the adjudicators are business people and the countries have no right of appeal, I'd say that's some pretty controversial process elements.
When they were negotiating TTIP, some of the corporate guys involved said they couldn't believe governments were actually going to agree to hand them that kind of power. But of course the public don't generally care about boring stuff like trade deals do they..
I keep hearing this - how exactly would you propose him to be more ‘proactive’ when he’s already condemned anti-semitism quite strongly and openly as well as suspended councillors and barring candidates from standing in elections. How would he put it to bed? Apologising? What for exactly? Because from what I can see he’s not said anything that can be deemed objectively bigoted (unlike the Prime minister who remains unapologetic), and if he were to simply throw out a token apology for the sake of diffusion then you just know the papers will gleefully ship out headlines of “Corbyn apologies for anti-semitism” insinuating an acceptance of overt anti-semitism with him being the culpable ringleader.
I’ll give you that he doesn’t do himself any favours sometimes with how he handles himself in the public eye, but to simply accuse someone who’s lengthy political career has largely been about championing the fight against bigotry and equality of not being proactive enough while not extending the same scrutiny to the Tories is bordering on a targeted smear campaign, heck I’d argue it’s well beyond that now.
And honestly I don’t suspect anything he says or does will be “good enough”. He could do a monumental u-turn tomorrow and unequivocally back the Israeli illegal settlement program and the papers would then proceed to accuse him of being untrustworthy and indecisive.
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The complete shit show that is British journalism
How do you deal with the problem easily though? Most of the recent news stories regarding antisemitism... and in fact, most of them in general are basically just rhetoric. How many stories regarding Labour and antisemitism are genuinely evidence based? Someone comes out and gives their opinion that Labour are racist and that's the story. Ok, let's see the evidence. There seems to be zero effort to put the issues into context in terms of actual magnitude. Obviously any racism is too much... but fair media reporting should be reflective of the scale of the problem.
Survation did a survey recently and asked people to estimate how many Labour members had been accused of antisemitism... the average response was 34%... only one person guessed anywhere close to the actual correct answer. When pushed why they'd guessed so high, it was because that was the impression they had from the amount of media coverage it had got. This has to make you wonder how much of a role the media have actually played in creating the 'Labour is antisemitic' narrative and how much they are actually stoking fears in the Jewish community.
Nonsense. He literally said this the other day...
Here he is apologising on camera last year...
What else is he supposed to do to 'put this to bed'? There's a reason that is front and centre across the media and will remain that way until after the election and it's not because the Tories suddenly care about equality.
On the subject of the BBC bias, I thought this was notable:
The BBC has a habit of putting unattributed quotes as article headlines. I think it's disingenuous and dishonest, but they do it constantly. Here's one from today:
However, when Labour make a claim today, suddenly they're attributing it?
The BBC has a habit of putting unattributed quotes as article headlines. I think it's disingenuous and dishonest, but they do it constantly. Here's one from today:
However, when Labour make a claim today, suddenly they're attributing it?
This is well worth a read
This poor Jewish lady is terrified of a Corbyn government but has no idea why.
The whole situation isn't any different to the white conservatives who were scared Hilary Clinton was going to put them in FEMA camps.
On the subject of the BBC bias, I thought this was notable:
The BBC has a habit of putting unattributed quotes as article headlines. I think it's disingenuous and dishonest, but they do it constantly. Here's one from today:
However, when Labour make a claim today, suddenly they're attributing it?
Not sure what your point is. Neither are statements of fact. They are assertions someone is making. Hence the quotes. The first headline is attributed to a think tank, if you read the article.
I genuinely think Johnson could shout about Muslims looking like letterboxes and then physically shit himself on stage and the Tories would barely lose any votes. Some would probably call it a power move.
It's true that this country is full of morons, but the tide is turning. Pivotal election in my opinion and I expect the huge YouGov poll tonight to confirm the dial is shifting.
The thing is anyone with any semblance of knowledge on the current state of transatlantic politics would surely know there's been an appetite for this kind of reckless deregulation for years and every decision made by the right on either side of the Atlantic over the past few years has been a naked attempt by special interest groups to drag us into a Koch Brother funded dystopian utopia. People just refuse to acknowledge how bad it is and how much worse it could get because that would be admission of guilt. They'd rather watch the nightmare play out in small doses over a decade or so before coyly washing their hands of it and pretending they never really supported this shit in the first place ala the Iraq War.
Boris Johnson apologises for 'hurt' caused by Islamophobia in Tory party - having refused to apologise for his own 'letterbox' jibe
Boris Johnson has apologised for the “hurt and offence” that has been caused by Islamophobia within the Conservative party ranks. Speaking on a campaign visit in Cornwall, Johnson said:
"Obviously whenever we have an incident of antisemitism or Islamophobia or whatever in the Conservative party we take a zero tolerance approach ... We have a one bounce and we deal with it approach to this.
We are going to have an independent inquiry into Islamophobia, antisemitism, every manner of prejudice and discrimination and it will start before Christmas."
Asked if he apologised for the Islamophobia that has taken place in the Tory party, he replied:
"Of course and for all the hurt and offence that has been caused - of course we do.
And all that is intolerable and it’s so important as a country that we don’t allow that kind of thing and that’s why we’re going to have the independent inquiry."
Boris Johnson has apologised for the “hurt and offence” that has been caused by Islamophobia within the Conservative party ranks. Speaking on a campaign visit in Cornwall, Johnson said:
"Obviously whenever we have an incident of antisemitism or Islamophobia or whatever in the Conservative party we take a zero tolerance approach ... We have a one bounce and we deal with it approach to this.
We are going to have an independent inquiry into Islamophobia, antisemitism, every manner of prejudice and discrimination and it will start before Christmas."
Asked if he apologised for the Islamophobia that has taken place in the Tory party, he replied:
"Of course and for all the hurt and offence that has been caused - of course we do.
And all that is intolerable and it’s so important as a country that we don’t allow that kind of thing and that’s why we’re going to have the independent inquiry."
“Boris wastes no time voiding bowels, whilst Corbyn dithers on Brexit”
half the problem seems to be that his supporters just say “he’s not as bad as the nasty Tories” and just ignore the issues that are front and centre.
the other issue is that he really doesn’t appear to “do” very much.
I can’t spell out what he should be doing - but I’d ensure that no stone was left unturned in investigating the issues that are ingrained into the party which he leads. He just doesn’t want to do that. The fact it keeps coming up time and time again, and he has no answers and no actions that he can come back with shows a lack of interest and leadership. For a man who campaigns on morals and integrity, this is a strange dichotomy
in the very first line of my post I said I don’t believe he’s a racist, but he’s no longer a back bench MP with no responsibilities, he’s the leader of the opposition - unfortunately he’s a leader in name only. He’s a good protester and supporter of the underdog - but he has a party to manage, and he fails to do that.
Well you do understand the point.
'If you click the article' is a huge point in the digital world. The simple fact is that the BBC run unattributed quotes as headlines constantly; I don't think it's right that they do it, but they do. Attributing quotes as a matter of course, like they actually do in the second one, is far more honest, but if they allow attack lines to serve as headlines for one side, they should be doing it for the other too. They're not, and it's another example where their coverage hasn't been balanced.
I mean they have improved the process considerably in several ways. It's quicker and they started to make progress. It wasn't suitable for a huge membership, no other party has this because their memberships are a fraction of the size.
I don't think they'll ever avail themselves of criticism though because even if they speed it up ten fold they'll still be cases reported and the JC for example will remain opposed fundamentally to Corbyn or any other pro-palestine politican.
I expect the EHRC will clear Labour of wrongdoing but highlight concerns and areas for improvement. I'd like to think that and a new leader will put it to bed but we'll see.
All stories are reported in some manner. And we all now exist in highly calibrated media echo chambers. You will get the news that you want.
Labour lack the human empathy and media savvy to make Boris Johnson and Tory truths stick and get amplified, whilst seemingly incapable to shake off mistruths about themselves.
The UK electorate in 2019 is what it is. It's Labours own fault that they can't depose Boris Johnson, and not the electorate or the media. Primarily because its members prop up Corbyn, who has so many fundamental political and leadership weaknesses. But the yoof sing football hero type songs about him, so he must be mint.
Corbyn's failure to beat BJ will be similar to Hilary's debacle vs Trump: self inflicted due to hubris, arrogance and intransigence.
Is it just forgotten as well that Johnson has actually literally on camera said massively racist things in the past? But they only use that stick to beat Corbyn with it seems even though he himself hasn't done anything like that as far as I'm aware.
By which he surely means zero tolerance for incidents of Islamophobia preventing him from ascending to the very top of the party.
I get your point but also if people did their own research it's not hard to figure out the truth and see through lies. People instead have this weird thing where they pick a side and that's it. Nothing will ever change that for them and the only thing that matters is that their side wins.
I read the word order in the sense of magnitude, eg as a being of a different political magnitude. The Chief Rabbi weighing in on an issue that has been a running sore for Labour for years. It set the news agenda for the day. Yes, the tories do have an islam issue but it's not yet a running political sore for the Tories as antisemisim has been for labour - although I suspect if Labour could sort their own issue out, it could become one.
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