UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80

How do you intend to vote in the 2019 General Election if eligible?

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 30 4.3%
  • Conservatives

    Votes: 73 10.6%
  • DUP

    Votes: 5 0.7%
  • Green

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Labour

    Votes: 355 51.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 58 8.4%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 3 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 1.3%
  • SNP

    Votes: 19 2.8%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 6 0.9%
  • Independent

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Other (BNP, Change UK, UUP and anyone else that I have forgotten)

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Not voting

    Votes: 57 8.3%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 41 5.9%

  • Total voters
    690
  • Poll closed .
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Corbyn may benefit from the fact that no one's likely to emerge unscathed after their interview with Neil...but that just wasn't very good for someone who's supposed to be on the verge of being the country's next PM.

I feel like he's got a habit of trying to contextualise every single issue when a simple answer will do, in a way which ends up making him just as bad, if not worse, than other politicians renowned for refusing to answer questions. The WASPI question, or the ISIS question, were perfect examples. On the former, he was correct to say that it's a moral issue and that the government should therefore pay it...but Neil had made it quite clear he already knew the why and wanted to know the how instead. Even if Corbyn wasn't entirely convinced by his own answer a short, succinct and simple response would have come across better than what instead seemed like him dodging the question instead. The ISIS question was similar - instead of a gung-ho approach is some cases Corbyn's perfectly right to suggest that it's best to consider all options and then come to a rational decision. Indeed, if it's possible to capture the hypothetical leader of ISIS then it's probably advisable to do so. But the question was quite clearly asking him whether he'd kill an ISIS leader if it was the best option, and there was no reason for him not to simply say 'yes'. The question was a bit of a silly, overstretched what-if hypothetical, but the answer was obvious.

I don't think he came across well when he asked why Neil hadn't asked questions about poverty or austerity. Ultimately it's the job of political journalists and interviewers to grill politicians on their own individual platforms. They're not there to simply give party leaders a chance to restate their manifesto without interference. Boris will likely get quizzed on austerity and poverty because his role in government is more closely intertwined with that. We know Corbyn doesn't like the Tories and doesn't support austerity. That's obvious. The natural route - and the right route - for any interviewer to go down is to instead press Corbyn, or any other party leader, on what they might struggle with, highlight where their contradictions and flaws might lie. Labour do (I'd argue) have the moral high-ground compared to the Tories because the Tories have perpetrated inhumane policies on the country for years and Labour are attempting to alleviate that. But you get the impression the party are sometimes baffled and frustrated the country and media haven't just ran with this message wholesale, when the reality is they're just not doing a very good job at selling their own vision to the public.
 
Presumably he’s hoping people don’t watch the interview and just take his word for it.

Or he’s delusional.

Probably the latter.

Just check out the blurb for his recently released first book, 'Fully Automated Luxury Communism' --

The first decade of the twenty-first century marked the demise of the current world order. Despite widespread acknowledgement of these disruptive crises, the proposed response from the mainstream remains the same. Against the confines of this increasingly limited politics, a new paradigm has emerged. Fully Automated Luxury Communism claims that new technologies will liberate us from work, providing the opportunity to build a society beyond both capitalism and scarcity. Automation, rather than undermining an economy built on full employment, is instead the path to a world of liberty, luxury and happiness. For everyone. In his first book, radical political commentator Aaron Bastani conjures a new politics: a vision of a world of unimaginable hope, highlighting how we move to energy abundance, feed a world of nine billion, overcome work, transcend the limits of biology and build meaningful freedom for everyone. Rather than a final destination, such a society heralds the beginning of history. Fully Automated Luxury Communism promises a radically new left future for everyone. :wenger:
 
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Corbyn may benefit from the fact that no one's likely to emerge unscathed after their interview with Neil...but that just wasn't very good for someone who's supposed to be on the verge of being the country's next PM.

I feel like he's got a habit of trying to contextualise every single issue when a simple answer will do, in a way which ends up making him just as bad, if not worse, than other politicians renowned for refusing to answer questions. The WASPI question, or the ISIS question, were perfect examples. On the former, he was correct to say that it's a moral issue and that the government should therefore pay it...but Neil had made it quite clear he already knew the why and wanted to know the how instead. Even if Corbyn wasn't entirely convinced by his own answer a short, succinct and simple response would have come across better than what instead seemed like him dodging the question instead. The ISIS question was similar - instead of a gung-ho approach is some cases Corbyn's perfectly right to suggest that it's best to consider all options and then come to a rational decision. Indeed, if it's possible to capture the hypothetical leader of ISIS then it's probably advisable to do so. But the question was quite clearly asking him whether he'd kill an ISIS leader if it was the best option, and there was no reason for him not to simply say 'yes'. The question was a bit of a silly, overstretched what-if hypothetical, but the answer was obvious.

I don't think he came across well when he asked why Neil hadn't asked questions about poverty or austerity. Ultimately it's the job of political journalists and interviewers to grill politicians on their own individual platforms. They're not there to simply give party leaders a chance to restate their manifesto without interference. Boris will likely get quizzed on austerity and poverty because his role in government is more closely intertwined with that. We know Corbyn doesn't like the Tories and doesn't support austerity. That's obvious. The natural route - and the right route - for any interviewer to go down is to instead press Corbyn, or any other party leader, on what they might struggle with, highlight where their contradictions and flaws might lie. Labour do (I'd argue) have the moral high-ground compared to the Tories because the Tories have perpetrated inhumane policies on the country for years and Labour are attempting to alleviate that. But you get the impression the party are sometimes baffled and frustrated the country and media haven't just ran with this message wholesale, when the reality is they're just not doing a very good job at selling their own vision to the public.

Yeah, no one doubts Corbyns sincerity when it comes to ending poverty. What people doubt is that he’s capable of getting the job done. Corbyns often shown the weakness that we saw last night, which is that he acts as though his sincerity should give him a free pass when it comes to the hard part of justifying and implementing his ideas.

I found the bit about the waspi money and the marriage allowance/share dividend particularly telling. On waspi, it was obvious he didn’t know where the money was coming from and he acted as though the moral case for the payment meant it oughtn't matter how it was paid for. On marriage allowance he didn’t actually believe what Neil was saying. It was like he’d been told by his advisors “yes Jeremy, no one earning under £80k will pay any more” and he’s just accepted it without bothering to read the rest of the manifesto.
 
660,000 people have registered to vote yesterday. More than 1 million in the last two days. 400k of those under 25 with a further 300k 25-34. These are surely a records.
 
Shazia Awan-Scully (former member of the Tory Party): "The Conservative Party has a huge problem with Xenophobia and Islamophobia"


What did she expect.
 


The Tories rely on less people seeing the subsequent backlash than hearing the original false claim. Which is why it's important the BBC challenges statements instantly but no they're just a mouth piece to this lot
 
Shazia Awan-Scully (former member of the Tory Party): "The Conservative Party has a huge problem with Xenophobia and Islamophobia"


Expect this to get very little coverage. Anti-semitism is the only racism the media is interested in right now.

As an aside, I don't have much sympathy for Asians who join the Tory party and then complain about the racism. Have they been living in a bubble their whole lives?
 
I come from it from a slightly different angle to you though. I was subject to a Labour welfare policy when I was out of work. Despite having paid fortunes in PAYE, I received 6 months unemployment and then I was pretty much on my own. I had a mortgage which the interest was paid, but no capital, which left me with £1 a week income support. I was able to borrow money from my family and did a few off the record 'jobs' to get by for the next year.

You thought the Labour welfare policy was unfair but you want to subject people to the much more harsh Tory version?
 
Decent Summary of Corbyn's interview with Neil.

Taken together, these two responses to Neil’s questions suggest that Corbyn still blames those who accuse him, rather than wondering whether there might be a different way of approaching the racism in his own party. He could quite easily have said that he too was appalled that his party had given Jews the impression they wouldn’t feel safe if he were in government, and that he would do everything in his power to change things in Labour to win back trust. Instead, he wants to do everything in his power to persuade those Jews that they are wrong.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/...emitism-brexit-tax-and-spending-in-interview/
 
They’re basically Fox News at this point.



Wouldn't pay much attention to Sarkar considering she has been minimising racism v Jews along with Bastani and Jones for a good few years now. She defended the Warsaw Ghetto being graffitied with pro-palestinian messages for example, along with a load of other stuff down the years.
 
Wouldn't pay much attention to Sarkar considering she has been minimising racism v Jews along with Bastani and Jones for a good few years now. She defended the Warsaw Ghetto being graffitied with pro-palestinian messages for example.

It's not her I'm paying attention to though, it's the screenshot of Kuessenberg's reporting. So unless she's doctored the screenshot, she's irrelevant to the discussion.
 
I lost my job as part of the fall out of 2008, although, I blame myself because I had a very good job which I really liked and decided to change because I thought there was a better opportunity for my future career. I could see the writing on the wall, but still changed jobs, and it turned out to be a catastrophic error of judgement which set my career back 10 years and means I will never fulfill my potential.

I come from it from a slightly different angle to you though. I was subject to a Labour welfare policy when I was out of work. Despite having paid fortunes in PAYE, I received 6 months unemployment and then I was pretty much on my own. I had a mortgage which the interest was paid, but no capital, which left me with £1 a week income support. I was able to borrow money from my family and did a few off the record 'jobs' to get by for the next year.

After 10 years of Labour rule, did you not find the Labour Party in any way culpable at all for the situation you found yourself in? All the no more boom and bust crap, but despite all those years of boom, nothing put aside to cushion the blow of the inevitable bust?

This is what I don't get, the Blair/Brown Government is only ever criticised for Iraq, and rightly so, but seem to get a free pass for the financial mismanagement of the economy.

Was this not a global financial crash? That affected almost every single country in the world and caused recessions in most countries?

And unless I'm misreading the situation here, you're upset at the 6 months of labour welfare....and so your response is that you'd prefer the much more stingy and difficult to access conservative welfare programme for those unlucky enough now to be in the position you were in (or much worse than you) 10 years ago?
 
I thought Corbyn's posture in the interview was weird too. He seemed slightly slouched with one of his legs fully extended. He reminded me of an angsty teenager.
He often looks like that when he doesn't like the interviewer/ vein of questions being asked.

I think yesterday could be terminal for Labour's campaign. Horrible optics.
 
660,000 people have registered to vote yesterday. More than 1 million in the last two days. 400k of those under 25 with a further 300k 25-34. These are surely a records.

Excellent news. Let's hope that they do actually vote.
 
Wouldn't pay much attention to Sarkar considering she has been minimising racism v Jews along with Bastani and Jones for a good few years now. She defended the Warsaw Ghetto being graffitied with pro-palestinian messages for example, along with a load of other stuff down the years.

Doesn't change the validity of her point though. They're purposefully covering the two issues with very different weighting.

For a paper that needs sales i can kind of understand it as it's a hotter issue but not for the BBC and not in the way they are doing.

I've given up on them now because they seem to have doubled down on it. Even Peston and Frost have been ridiculous this campaign so it's clearly from the higher ups.
 
Doesn't change the validity of her point though. They're purposefully covering the two issues with very different weighting.

For a paper that needs sales i can kind of understand it as it's a hotter issue but not for the BBC and not in the way they are doing.

I've given up on them now because they seem to have doubled down on it. Even Peston and Frost have been ridiculous this campaign so it's clearly from the higher ups.

I agree with the point, I just don't think Sarkar should be making it.
 
It's not her I'm paying attention to though, it's the screenshot of Kuessenberg's reporting. So unless she's doctored the screenshot, she's irrelevant to the discussion.
Standard approach, in an effort to minimise Islamaphobia in the country. Just attack the poster.
 
Standard approach, in an effort to minimise Islamaphobia in the country. Just attack the poster.

Sarkar has been minimising racism v Jews for years, so I don't think she gets to tell the BBC they are minimising Islamophobia, even if I agree that they, along with the wider media, have been.
 
Don't hold back mate! :lol:

In lighter news I did enjoy replying to this aforementioned cretin on Facebook the other night when he declared Corbyn was 'anti semantic' :lol:

He's an absolute bell sprout, hash tagging all his Facebook posts with #NeverCorbyn but at the same time declaring he has no allegiance to any political party. Frothing right wingers now trying to convince people that they're champions of the oppressed. Give me a break. :rolleyes:
 
Sarkar has been minimising racism v Jews for years, so I don't think she gets to tell the BBC they are minimising Islamophobia, even if I agree that they, along with the wider media, have been.

She backtracked on the pro Palestinian graffiti which is fair enough, as she may have thought anti-Israeli sentiment isn't the same as anti-Semitism. I know her and Jones have said there is a problem of anti semetism on the left and it has to be rooted out.

So I she gets to share a factual point about Islamaphobia probably as she is impacted by it daily. Given there isn't many people calling out in the media, attacking her only minimises her factual point.
 
I think the Tories will get caught up on semantics of words such as 'NHS is for sale' and will rather spin it to mean something like 'healthcare services' have been negotiated as part of communications with the US, in order to disguise what's really happening here.

However, I don't believe the electorate will see through the disingenuity of such statements, and will vote for them anyway.
 
Sarkar has been minimising racism v Jews for years, so I don't think she gets to tell the BBC they are minimising Islamophobia, even if I agree that they, along with the wider media, have been.

Which is more important do you reckon, that Sarkar is an unworthy messenger or that it appears Islamophobia is being swept under the carpet by our national broadcaster for party political advantage?
 
Which is more important do you reckon, that Sarkar is an unworthy messenger or that it appears Islamophobia is being swept under the carpet by our national broadcaster for party political advantage?

The latter is clearly more important. Doesn't mean the former cannot be mentioned.
 
I think the Tories will get caught up on semantics of words such as 'NHS is for sale' and will rather spin it to mean something like 'healthcare services' have been negotiated as part of communications with the US, in order to disguise what's really happening here.

However, I don't believe the electorate will see through the disingenuity of such statements, and will vote for them anyway.

Agreed that's the impression I've got so far with all Boris statements on this. "NHS IS NOT FOR SALE". Yeah no ones expecting you to stick it on ebay dickhead.

As with all Tory approaches it's through the backdoor and by a thousand cuts.

I'll be surprised if this report is that damaging though.
 
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