UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80

How do you intend to vote in the 2019 General Election if eligible?

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 30 4.3%
  • Conservatives

    Votes: 73 10.6%
  • DUP

    Votes: 5 0.7%
  • Green

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Labour

    Votes: 355 51.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 58 8.4%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 3 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 1.3%
  • SNP

    Votes: 19 2.8%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 6 0.9%
  • Independent

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Other (BNP, Change UK, UUP and anyone else that I have forgotten)

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Not voting

    Votes: 57 8.3%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 41 5.9%

  • Total voters
    690
  • Poll closed .
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I thought the article was a good summary.
It may have been.

I just find it ironic you're questioning the anti-racist credentials of Sarkar whilst at the same time posting articles from a website which recently hosted an article wishing Muslims weren't able to vote.
 
So the death of Gary Rhodes, investment into Manchester City and pictures of the Milky Way are all deemed more important by the BBC than the Tories' plan to have the NHS on the table in any trade talks.
 
I'm not jumping on any horses. I just really don't have much time for the likes of Sarkar, Bastani etc.

In response to a post showing the BBC political editor minimising the concerns of British Muslims your first instinct was to focus on the messenger.
 
I think the Tories will get caught up on semantics of words such as 'NHS is for sale' and will rather spin it to mean something like 'healthcare services' have been negotiated as part of communications with the US, in order to disguise what's really happening here.

However, I don't believe the electorate will see through the disingenuity of such statements, and will vote for them anyway.
The media won't make a meal of it the same way they would if it was Labour or another party. It will be a small headline then disspear from the headlines. It's difficult to battle that.
 
Kuenssberg quite rightly urging caution:



Doesn't provide evidence that they've agreed? That's about as strong an Trump's argument that it was never a quid pro quo because although he demanded an investigation in return for the aid Congress had allocated Ukraine, nobody actually said the words "quid pro quo".


Although we have indeed had discussions 7 rounds of talks about providing US Big Pharma companies access to the NHS, we have never considered giving US Big Pharma companies access to the NHS.

Mental gymnastics at it's finest.
 
Doesn't provide evidence that they've agreed? That's about as strong an Trump's argument that it was never a quid pro quo because although he demanded an investigation in return for the aid Congress had allocated Ukraine, nobody actually said the words "quid pro quo".


Although we have indeed had discussions 7 rounds of talks about providing US Big Pharma companies access to the NHS, we have never considered giving US Big Pharma companies access to the NHS.

Mental gymnastics at it's finest.

Pretty standard for Laura now. They should demote her and promote Faizal Islam from his economics role, he was good at Sky.
 
The BBC are being given ample opportunity to show that they will treat the issues that the Labour party have with antisemitism and the Tories with Islamophobia with equal weight. We'll see....

 
Agreed that's the impression I've got so far with all Boris statements on this. "NHS IS NOT FOR SALE". Yeah no ones expecting you to stick it on ebay dickhead.

As with all Tory approaches it's through the backdoor and by a thousand cuts.

I'll be surprised if this report is that damaging though.

The media won't make a meal of it the same way they would if it was Labour or another party. It will be a small headline then disspear from the headlines. It's difficult to battle that.

Yep agreed on both points.
 
Doesn't provide evidence that they've agreed? That's about as strong an Trump's argument that it was never a quid pro quo because although he demanded an investigation in return for the aid Congress had allocated Ukraine, nobody actually said the words "quid pro quo".


Although we have indeed had discussions 7 rounds of talks about providing US Big Pharma companies access to the NHS, we have never considered giving US Big Pharma companies access to the NHS.

Mental gymnastics at it's finest.

Oh yeah? Well Kuenssberg's busy doing due dilligence and is starting to think this is all a bit of a nothing burger.

 
Q: [From the BBC] Do you accept the need to apologise to the Jewish community?

Corbyn says antisemitism affects a tiny proportion of the party membership. But one is one too many.

Jesus christ, is he trying to look like an insensitive ass or something?
 
The BBC are being given ample opportunity to show that they will treat the issues that the Labour party have with antisemitism and the Tories with Islamophobia with equal weight. We'll see....


They’ll just do what they did during the Tory leadership contest - promise they’ll look into it and then post election quietly drop it or downgrade it to something broad and vague like “investigating bigotry in British politics” with a GCSE politics essay’s level of focus.
 
I think the Tories will get caught up on semantics of words such as 'NHS is for sale' and will rather spin it to mean something like 'healthcare services' have been negotiated as part of communications with the US, in order to disguise what's really happening here.

However, I don't believe the electorate will see through the disingenuity of such statements, and will vote for them anyway.

Perfectly put. I agree.
 
You thought the Labour welfare policy was unfair but you want to subject people to the much more harsh Tory version?

Was this not a global financial crash? That affected almost every single country in the world and caused recessions in most countries?

And unless I'm misreading the situation here, you're upset at the 6 months of labour welfare....and so your response is that you'd prefer the much more stingy and difficult to access conservative welfare programme for those unlucky enough now to be in the position you were in (or much worse than you) 10 years ago?

Neither of you have read my post in the context of the post I was responding to.
 
Jesus christ, is he trying to look like an insensitive ass or something?

The response on all this should be very easy i don't understand how his aides haven't advised him of the right lines.

You apologise that the processes weren't working which caused hurt and dissatisfaction. You quote the numbers to provide scale (backlog of 130 complaints i think i last heard), say it's got no place in the party and that anyone found doing it will be expelled. Explain how the processes have been reformed, how some independent oversight has been added and how it's now working better but we'll continue to strive to improve that process.

No one can argue with that and then you move on to Boris and his parties record....
 
The response on all this should be very easy i don't understand how his aides haven't advised him of the right lines.

You apologise that the processes weren't working which caused hurt and dissatisfaction. You quote the numbers to provide scale (backlog of 130 complaints i think i last heard), say it's got no place in the party and that anyone found doing it will be expelled. Explain how the processes have been reformed, how some independent oversight has been added and how it's now working better but we'll continue to strive to improve that process.

No one can argue with that and then you move on to Boris and his parties record....

He'd then be asked why he hasn't managed to achieve this despite being leader for 4 years etc. etc. I agree his current stance isn't doing him any favours, and whilst he refuses to apologise it will more than likely keep being brought up.
 
Jesus christ, is he trying to look like an insensitive ass or something?

He's a stubborn old git and a terrible politician. Driven by his own set of morals and incapable of adapting to other people. He would make a terrible leader in my eyes and his saving grace in my own lukewarm support is how much a disaster Johnson would be over 5 years.
 
The response on all this should be very easy i don't understand how his aides haven't advised him of the right lines.

You apologise that the processes weren't working which caused hurt and dissatisfaction. You quote the numbers to provide scale (backlog of 130 complaints i think i last heard), say it's got no place in the party and that anyone found doing it will be expelled. Explain how the processes have been reformed, how some independent oversight has been added and how it's now working better but we'll continue to strive to improve that process.

No one can argue with that and then you move on to Boris and his parties record....

Exactly, its not rocket science. Anyone who has spent more than 5 minutes in politics should be capable of giving an answer to this stuff that shuts it down pretty fast. Then again I suppose if Corbyn was willing/able to do so, he'd have done it months ago when this whole thing started. It's very confusing why he hasn't done so.
 
I thought the article was a good summary.

But you basically dismissed the content of Sarkar's point based on the fact she defended the Warsaw ghetto graffiti incident... yet you happily post a Spectator article, whilst knowing they frequent publish racist articles? Is that not a double standard?
 
Oh yeah? Well Kuenssberg's busy doing due dilligence and is starting to think this is all a bit of a nothing burger.



Very diligent indeed, managing to sustain an average reading pace of 4 pages per minute for 30 minutes while also managing to observe everything else that is going on to a degree that she can also tweet 15 times.

Quite the lady is Laura. Or.... I wonder if she got a text from her Number 10 sources and quickly relayed the party message.


How long do we think before the Tories officially come out with their excuses and what do we think the chances are that it ties into Laura's narrative?
 
The BBC are being given ample opportunity to show that they will treat the issues that the Labour party have with antisemitism and the Tories with Islamophobia with equal weight. We'll see....


Surprised if we will see any headlines
 
Yeah they do but I don't know why? They are meant to be clever, educated people. Excellent at public speaking and debate. Why can't they just be normal? It would go a long way with voters. Boris was the same last week when asked about his letter box burka comment. Instead of simply saying "it was taken out of context but in hindsight the terminology I used was wrong and if I've cause offence I'm sorry". Corbyn tonight. Same again. Just apologise and accept it could have been dealt with better.

They are meant to be leaders!

Andrew Neild looks to have a ''field day' with such as Corbyn and Johnson, and most other politicians because when faced with an apology request they all try to 'Brass it out' with him, a bit like Michael Howard did with Paxman on News night a while back. As you say all they have to do is answer his question directly, but no politician can do that without 'gagging'.

Public apologies are ripe areas for such entanglements in these one-to-one interviews and now become more important than the politics. Why such as Neild, Maitlis and other interviewers seem to think that revealing that politicians have feet of clay, is beyond understanding, we all know that FFS! Put their feet to the fire on substance..
 
Very diligent indeed, managing to sustain an average reading pace of 4 pages per minute for 30 minutes while also managing to observe everything else that is going on to a degree that she can also tweet 15 times.

Quite the lady is Laura. Or.... I wonder if she got a text from her Number 10 sources and quickly relayed the party message.


How long do we think before the Tories officially come out with their excuses and what do we think the chances are that it ties into Laura's narrative?

It's probably researchers and fact checkers at the BBC that are going over it for her. Its not far fetched to interpret this as an attempt of a narrative grab from Labour to bury the interview last night the best they can.
 
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Since the last election there have been:
5.3 milion registrations applications from Under 25s,
5.7 million from 25-34s,
3.2 million from 35-44
and a combined 4.6 million of 45+.

It should be stressed that these are not new registrations a lot of people, especially older ones, will have moved etc, HOWEVER there has been an absolute record of 11 million applications from people under 34 and even if a quarter of them (I expect the figure to be more than half) are new voters then expect the Conservatives to be dished with another youthquake! :drool:

 
It's probably researchers and fact checkers at the BBC that are going over it for her. Its not far fetched to interpret this as an attempt of a narrative grab from Labour to bury the interview last night the best they can.

I'd assume so. They've probably been sitting on it waiting for the right moment to drop, and after that car crash interview decided there wouldn't be a better time.
 
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Since the last election there has been 5.3 milion registrations applications from Under 25s, 5.7 million from 25-34s, 3.2 million from 35-44 and a combined 4.6 million of 45+.

It should be stressed that these are not new registrations a lot of people will have moved etc, HOWEVER there has been an absolute record of 11 million applications from people under 34 and even if a quarter of them (I expect the figure to be more than half) are new voters then expect the Conservatives to be dished with another youthquake!

Now they just have to progress from signing up online to actually going out and voting.
 
Now they just have to progress from signing up online to actually going out and voting.

Social media is playing a vital role in informing people and getting them to register and hopefully out to vote too. I was looking last night just on twitter and hundreds of celebrities with millions of followers were encouraging people to register. Adele of all people hadn't tweeted in a year and she put out a message last night.

There is a huge sense of importance around this election, young people are fully engaged and hopefully it will remain so for another two weeks.
 
Social media is playing a vital role in informing people and getting them to register and hopefully out to vote too. I was looking last night just on twitter and hundreds of celebrities with millions of followers were encouraging people to register. Adele of all people hadn't tweeted in a year and she put out a message last night.

There is a huge sense of importance around this election, young people are fully engaged and hopefully it will remain so for another two weeks.

Fingers crossed. Is anyone doing voting parties or pub crawls? Could be a fun way to get people to the voting booths.
 
Now they just have to progress from signing up online to actually going out and voting.

Will they be able to find the polling stations without google maps?

Ready to bring back Screaming Lord Such and 'The Monster Raving Looney Party... elections will be fun once more!
 
I think the Tories will get caught up on semantics of words such as 'NHS is for sale' and will rather spin it to mean something like 'healthcare services' have been negotiated as part of communications with the US, in order to disguise what's really happening here.

However, I don't believe the electorate will see through the disingenuity of such statements, and will vote for them anyway.
"We want Brexit NOW, worry about NHS later'. That is what the electorate will say.
 
"We want Brexit NOW, worry about NHS later'. That is what the electorate will say.

Wrong. A lot of people were swayed by more money to the NHS slogan in the referendum. There has been countless programs and documentaries where people especially older ones reliant on it have expressed this and they feel they have been lied to. NHS is the top issue for voters in this election people won't ignore something as damaging as this to the service.
 
In a news release, Global Justice Now also offered its own summary of what these documents show. Here it is in full.

The US pushing lower food standards on Britain post Brexit, including allowing imports of chlorine-washed chickens, less nutritional labelling on foods, and less protection for regional food like stilton cheese. The US offered to help the UK government ‘sell’ chlorine chicken to a sceptical British public and stated that parliamentary scrutiny of food standards is ‘unhelpful’.

The US banning any mention of climate change in a US-UK trade deal.

US officials threatening UK civil servants that they would undermine US trade talks if they supported certain EU positions in international forums.

The US suggesting a ‘corporate court system’ in a US-UK deal, which would allow big business to sue the British government, in secret and without appeal, for anything they regard as ‘unfair’. Recent similar cases have included suing governments for trying to phase out use of coal.

US officials pushing a far reaching proposals on the digital economy, giving Big Tech companies like Facebook, Google and Amazon sweeping freedoms to move and use our online data, which would make taxation and regulation of these companies more difficult and prohibit Labour proposals for a public broadband service.

Threats to public services like the NHS, via sweeping services liberalisation. The British government would need to exclude everything not subject to liberalisation in order to protect public services, while bringing formerly public services like the mail, or rail companies back into public ownership would be much harder.

US officials making a further threat to NHS in terms of medicine pricing policy, with special concern about Brits paying more for cancer medicines which the US feels Britain doesn’t pay enough for. Trade negotiators have received special lobbying from pharmaceutical corporations as part of the trade talks.

US officials demanding US experts and multinational corporations are able to participate in standard-setting in Britain post Brexit.

A promise by both sides to keep talks secret from the public.

Well ouch. Anyone considering voting Tory needs to read this right now.
 
Now they just have to progress from signing up online to actually going out and voting.

Being a winter election isn't it the older demographic who are less likely to turn out? Or is it always students?
What about Riley and Obermann?

Riley has gone batshit crazy and I don’t really agree with the whole #nevercorbyn lot. Extremes on both sides.
 
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