UEFA Super Cup

We see this a lot here. Trophies do not count for people for some reason. It is not just the super cups which you can say for being just 1 game is not very important. Although people argue the league and Fa cup do not count either.
Also some say CL is not very important either and it is all about the league.

Is this a defensive take since we are not winning much right now, but still got the most league titles so you say everything else do not matter?
Or do people not like cups since they can't take being knocked out?

I know it is not the same people making the arguments. I guess the rating for most people will look like this.
1CL
2 League
3 Fa cup
4 league cup
5 Club world cup
6 European super cup
7 Community shield

Then Europa league and now the new conference league comes in around Fa and league cup value.
 
MUFC OK said:
Yes of course it does. They’re both trophies and official honours, I never said it wasn’t one.

I questioned its significance, but not whether it counts.
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Fair enough. I don't disagree much with this
 
Paul_Scholes18 said:
We see this a lot here. Trophies do not count for people for some reason. It is not just the super cups which you can say for being just 1 game is not very important. Although people argue the league and Fa cup do not count either.
Also some say CL is not very important either and it is all about the league.

Is this a defensive take since we are not winning much right now, but still got the most league titles so you say everything else do not matter?
Or do people not like cups since they can't take being knocked out?

I know it is not the same people making the arguments. I guess the rating for most people will look like this.
1CL
2 League
3 Fa cup
4 league cup
5 Club world cup
6 European super cup
7 Community shield

Then Europa league and now the new conference league comes in around Fa and league cup value.
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I'd have it down as pretty similar. Maybe with the new one something like..

1 CL
2 League
3 Europa
4 Conference League
5 League Cup
6 Club World Cup
7 Super Cup
8 Community Shield

For some strange reason I'd really like to win the new Conference League one year. Feels nice having all the different ones in the honours list. I'm jealous of United that you guys got an Intercontinental before they scapped it.
 
Mr Smith said:
I would love to hear on what basis you think the current Champions League holder who turned Chelsea round from being a basket case in just 6 months is not a great manager. For me he is comfortably in the top 5 on the world.
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He is certainly a good manager, but not on the level of great ones like Pep or Klopp. He got lucky with Chelsea (as did many others before him like Di Matteo) won a cup on the bounce. Came from a failure in a team like PSG full of world class players. He needs to show his quality in the premier league to be considered among the best.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
This makes me angry beyond belief about Ole. It’s 2021 and the biggest club in the works didn’t follow this simple data and just went with feelings . Embarrassing
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Yeah it really shows up our lack of tactical nous doesn't it
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
This makes me angry beyond belief about Ole. It’s 2021 and the biggest club in the works didn’t follow this simple data and just went with feelings . Embarrassing
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We're big in stature, we haven't been one of the biggest teams itw in terms of on-field performance 8 years and counting.
 
MUFC OK said:
We're big in stature, we haven't been one of the biggest teams itw in terms of on-field performance 8 years and counting.
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Agreed . What I meant was that it’s a big club in terms of resources and so you would think that decisions would be made based on the use of those resources
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Agreed . What I meant was that it’s a big club in terms of resources and so you would think that decisions would be made based on the use of those resources
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We don't have the ruthless ambition required from board level downwards to be the best. We poke fun at Chelsea and City but they are striving to be the best team in the country and in europe and they'll keep going until they achieve that. It helps that there owners arent in it for the money, rather to win, they are ahead of us in terms of ambition.
 
Kentonio said:
I'd have it down as pretty similar. Maybe with the new one something like..

1 CL
2 League
3 Europa
4 Conference League
5 League Cup
6 Club World Cup
7 Super Cup
8 Community Shield

For some strange reason I'd really like to win the new Conference League one year. Feels nice having all the different ones in the honours list. I'm jealous of United that you guys got an Intercontinental before they scapped it.
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Forgot about that cup was just another pointless friendly, though. there was also an Anglo-Italian cup once, i think. Intertoto, too.
 
ZolaWasMagic said:
Forgot about that cup was just another pointless friendly, though. there was also an Anglo-Italian cup once, i think. Intertoto, too.
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I forgot about the Intertoto! Just checked and the only English winners were Villa, Fulham and Newcastle apparently. :lol:
 
Giggsyking said:
He is certainly a good manager, but not on the level of great ones like Pep or Klopp. He got lucky with Chelsea (as did many others before him like Di Matteo) won a cup on the bounce. Came from a failure in a team like PSG full of world class players. He needs to show his quality in the premier league to be considered among the best.
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It's posts like these that make people around Europe laugh at the PL fans and cheer when England loses. Simply delusional.

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Two things here at least. Not only did Chelsea sub their keeper, they also went first in the shoot-out. We probably would have been in that final had we done the same against Villarreal despite the numerous other failings in that game.
 
Kentonio said:
I forgot about the Intertoto! Just checked and the only English winners were Villa, Fulham and Newcastle apparently. :lol:
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Not surprised, it was absolute garbage! Remember West Ham being in it too.
 
Well done Chelsea.

Glad the result has showed that United's loss to these wasn't as embarrassing as some made out. Basically identical result to tonight bar the pot luck on the pens.
 
TheReligion said:
Well done Chelsea.

Glad the result has showed that United's loss to these wasn't as embarrassing as some made out. Basically identical result to tonight bar the pot luck on the pens.
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If only Moreno hadn't tried placing it past Mendy after he slipped while kicking it and took it round him instead
 
TheReligion said:
Well done Chelsea.

Glad the result has showed that United's loss to these wasn't as embarrassing as some made out. Basically identical result to tonight bar the pot luck on the pens.
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Agreed - for all his foibles you'd have to be insane to suggest that Emery isn't a top cup manager. Clearly knows how to set his team up in tournaments. Might be a brilliant international manager on that basis if he'd be willing...
 
We could have been celebrating our 2nd trophy today if Degea and Rashford had shame. Mainly Degea though.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
Agreed - for all his foibles you'd have to be insane to suggest that Emery isn't a top cup manager. Clearly knows how to set his team up in tournaments. Might be a brilliant international manager on that basis if he'd be willing...
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Not a bad shout on the international front you know!
 
croadyman said:
good on ya Rio for getting Utd into the converstion and that cheeky fecker Humphrey having the nerve to sneer at you, am i right in thinking he's a Norwich fan if so really hope we give them a pasting and he's there to witness it personally
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He's a closet Liverpool fan.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
Agreed - for all his foibles you'd have to be insane to suggest that Emery isn't a top cup manager. Clearly knows how to set his team up in tournaments. Might be a brilliant international manager on that basis if he'd be willing...
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I actually thought Emery cost them tonight.

They had a clear match fitness advantage as the game wore on and would have probably ground us down had they kept pushing forward but as soon as they got the 1-1 they sat back and played for pens.
 
Anyone who says Tuchel isn't a top class manager knows fuk all about football
 
Dancfc said:
I actually thought Emery cost them tonight.

They had a clear match fitness advantage as the game wore on and would have probably ground us down had they kept pushing forward but as soon as they got the 1-1 they sat back and played for pens.
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Thought they were knackered by pressing to chase the game personally. Didn't think they had much left in the tank after getting the equalizer.
 
Paul_Scholes18 said:
We see this a lot here. Trophies do not count for people for some reason. It is not just the super cups which you can say for being just 1 game is not very important. Although people argue the league and Fa cup do not count either.
Also some say CL is not very important either and it is all about the league.

Is this a defensive take since we are not winning much right now, but still got the most league titles so you say everything else do not matter?
Or do people not like cups since they can't take being knocked out?

I know it is not the same people making the arguments. I guess the rating for most people will look like this.
1CL
2 League
3 Fa cup
4 league cup
5 Club world cup
6 European super cup
7 Community shield

Then Europa league and now the new conference league comes in around Fa and league cup value.
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Do Chelsea fans count the Full Members Cup amongst their trophies won? They can add this one tonight to the major trophy haul.

League, Fa Cup and CL is all that matters the rest and super cups like tonight don't really count as they aren't taken seriously.

For big clubs number one was always the league, but since the CL was expanded to 4000 teams it's now seen as the big one. Mostly due to the money to be made from it. Finishing top 4 is the target winning the league doesn't really matter anymore.

Europa League should be 1 leg knock out ties with an open draw like the FA cup. I'd scrap it to only domestic cup winners, no CL clubs should be dropping down into it. Just makes it an even bigger farce. Awh you lost, that's a shame, here have another go against shitter teams to make you feel better.

I also think it's a shame how the big clubs and even lesser PL teams almost seem to want to be knocked out of the FA cup like it's an inconvenience. There should be a CL place for the winner, then they would treat it with some respect.

League cup is a waste of everyones time.

Community shield is a glorified friendly.

Club world cup and Super cups like tonight are a total waste of time and the trophy is a waste of metal. Nobody takes them seriously at all.

This new Europa Vauxhall Conference
Shield League, whatever it is, it's totally pointless.
 
Rightnr said:
It's posts like these that make people around Europe laugh at the PL fans and cheer when England loses. Simply delusional.



Two things here at least. Not only did Chelsea sub their keeper, they also went first in the shoot-out. We probably would have been in that final had we done the same against Villarreal despite the numerous other failings in that game.
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We bottled in every aspect of that game. Pens taken were good though but DDG had other ideas
 
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Giggsyking said:
He is certainly a good manager, but not on the level of great ones like Pep or Klopp. He got lucky with Chelsea (as did many others before him like Di Matteo) won a cup on the bounce. Came from a failure in a team like PSG full of world class players. He needs to show his quality in the premier league to be considered among the best.
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The Do Matteo comparison is a bit lazy to be honest, very different situation. One brought a team of veterans on their last chance to the CL playing ultra negative football and got incredibly lucky (e.g. penalty misses from Messi/Robben), while the other led a young team with limited experience at that level to victory with convincing, often dominant victories. If you can't see the tactical sophistication in his Chelsea team then I can't much help you, but we'll see where we are at the end of the season, as I fully expect Tuchel's side to be pushing for the title up until the final day.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
This makes me angry beyond belief about Ole. It’s 2021 and the biggest club in the works didn’t follow this simple data and just went with feelings . Embarrassing
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We will never win anything with Ole, and you can quote me on that. This is the reason.
 
I want to ask just one thing : If Tuchel is a genius manager, why didn't he win the game within the 90 minutes and the 120 ?
 
The meltdowns on here after games we aren’t involved in really needs to stop.
 
Interesting that Tuchel had the guts and nous to bring on a penalty saver in the dying minutes of the Super Cup. Result: chelsea won.

Ole didn't even though most realistic United fans know saving penalties is far from DDG's forte. Result: we lost
 
cyberman said:
The meltdowns on here after games we aren’t involved in really needs to stop.
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There is a real comparison to be drawn between Tuchel's and Ole's approach to the penalty shootout though. Ole went with emotion whilst Tuchel followed the data. The likelihood of us winning the Europa League if Ole would've subbed Henderson on for DDG was exceptionally high. It raises the question if Ole is too invested in antiquated ideas around management or is afraid to make decisions that could upset the ego of a high wage earner. Is he behind the times and/or weak when it comes to game and player management.
 
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