UEFA Super Cup

OleBoiii said:
First of all, like I said to the other guy: my post isn't about Ole. It's about the massively flawed logic of picking a goalkeeper purely based on 'penalty save rate'.

But since you brought it up: Henderson has played less than 100 games on the highest level. How many penalties has he faced in that time? I'd guess somewhere between 5 and 20. And if that is the case, then we're talking about a sample size that is too small to strongly conclude that he is a significant improvement.

That's not to mention the psychological aspect. Has Henderson ever been put in a high pressure situation like that? Can we say for sure that he would be as composed as he would when playing for Sheffield United and no one really expects anything?

Lastly, you make it sound like only Ole(or bad managers) would make that call. But historically, the call Ole made is a typical one. Even among good coaches.

I also guarantee you that he would have been even more criticised if he made the switch and we still lost.

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So I googled it. Henderson has only faced 5 penalties at the highest level(for a Premier League team). He's saved 2 of them. Not exactly a huge sample size.
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So from 5 pens Henderson saved 2. How many Pens did De gea save in 10 yeras PL?
 
OleBoiii said:
DDG's all-time penalty save stats(from almost 70 penalties) is between 17% and 18%. That is only marginally worse than the average goalkeeper.

Before the penalty shootout he had faced a lot of penalties in a row without making a save, which is why Ole was criticised for not making the sub. But when you're only expected to save 1 in 5 penalties, it's not really that crazy to go 10-15 penalties in a row without making a save.

Overall, I don't think the stats that are available are conclusive enough to definitely justify the sub. Henderson has a very small sample size and DDG was actually better than average before suddenly entering a slump. I'm not saying that making the sub necessarily is wrong either, though. My issue is that people have a very black-and-white view on this matter.
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What are you talking about, DDG is shit at penalties, bringing Henderson, Grant, or even Jones on would have given us a better chance for winning the competition, everybody knows it. Even United players and coaches.
 
Giggsyking said:
So from 5 pens Henderson saved 2. How many Pens did De gea save in 10 yeras PL?
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I believe I saw a Twitter post that said that DDG's all-time penalty save stats for United and Atletico was just below 20%, which is about average. And that was from a sample size of nearly 70 penalties.

If you think that 5 penalties is enough data to conclude that a player is significantly better than average, then so be it. I can guarantee you right now that if Henderson ever reaches 70 penalties on the highest level, then his save rate isn't going to be 2 in 5(40%).
 
breath said:
He's faced more than 1000 in training. Why do they train?
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Perhaps DDG is better than we think in training?

Either way, this whole discussion is pointless. Ole did what the majority of coaches before him have done, with few exceptions. Hindsight is 20/20. The penalties taken from Villarreal were generally excellent. I can't remember a single one where I thought "DDG should have saved that". It's one of the best penalty shootouts I've seen(from both teams).
 
Can’t believe that you are still going on with this. DDG hasn’t saved a premier league penalty since October 5 ,2014 and he hasn’t saved a penalty for United in 5 years overall. Villarreal pens looked good because DDG is absolutely horrendous at it and was nowhere near any of them. I don’t give a monkey’s about what previous managers may or may not have done. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer gets paid big money to make tough decisions at United and he bottled this decision even though everyone knew this was going to be the outcome . It led to a penalty shootout loss for United in which he couldn’t save 1 out of 11 penalties which further proved how bad he is and how idiotic the managers decision was . End of story
 
OleBoiii said:
I believe I saw a Twitter post that said that DDG's all-time penalty save stats for United and Atletico was just below 20%, which is about average. And that was from a sample size of nearly 70 penalties.

If you think that 5 penalties is enough data to conclude that a player is significantly better than average, then so be it. I can guarantee you right now that if Henderson ever reaches 70 penalties on the highest level, then his save rate isn't going to be 2 in 5(40%).
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I think De Gea is the worse in penalties, he haven't saved a penalty in 8 years. Anyone, not only Henderson, is a better chance of winning. Why should I count his Atletico saves? We all know, ALL of us, he is aint good enough at penalties.
 
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