UAP - Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon

I think this whole thread can be summed up with

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Just so I'm clear

- "Drones" hover over restricted airspace over Langley US nuclear military base for 17 days straight in Dec 2023

- "Drones" hover over restricted airspace over another US nuclear military facility for a week in the spring

- "Drones" hover over restricted airspace over multiple US military bases in the UK that have nuclear warheads every single night from mid-November until today

- ""Drones" hover over restricted airspace over multiple US military bases including New Jersey every night from mid-November until today

For a whole year......

But the FBI last night

"We don't know who they are, where they're coming from. Please send in any reports so we can investigate. Sure we've got radar that can track a baseball for 5,000 km, or a basketball sized object into space........ But we don't know where they're coming from"

I'm calling bullshit. It doesn't add up. The US government doesn't allow for "Drones" to fly over restricted airspace military bases with nuclear capabilities for a freaking year and then suddenly now start panicking.

Come on now. You'd have to be a fool to believe they don't know.
 
What incidents prove to you that they are here?
None specifically but the fact that there are hundreds of sighting out there now in the last few years, plus the fact that government people are starting to talk about it.
We only know a tiny bit about our planet and the space that it’s in.

I’ve always said it’s arrogant to dismiss stuff just because humanity in this age doesn’t yet know how to do much beyond the realms of their own learnings. interplanetary travel for example.
 
None specifically but the fact that there are hundreds of sighting out there now in the last few years, plus the fact that government people are starting to talk about it.
We only know a tiny bit about our planet and the space that it’s in.

I’ve always said it’s arrogant to dismiss stuff just because humanity in this age doesn’t yet know how to do much beyond the realms of their own learnings. interplanetary travel for example.
It’s a fascinating topic and I ‘want to believe’, but it needs such clear evidence, the sightings are much more likely to be something on earth than from other planets.

I think aliens exist though, just not here.
 
Just so I'm clear

- "Drones" hover over restricted airspace over Langley US nuclear military base for 17 days straight in Dec 2023

- "Drones" hover over restricted airspace over another US nuclear military facility for a week in the spring

- "Drones" hover over restricted airspace over multiple US military bases in the UK that have nuclear warheads every single night from mid-November until today

- ""Drones" hover over restricted airspace over multiple US military bases including New Jersey every night from mid-November until today

For a whole year......

But the FBI last night

"We don't know who they are, where they're coming from. Please send in any reports so we can investigate. Sure we've got radar that can track a baseball for 5,000 km, or a basketball sized object into space........ But we don't know where they're coming from"

I'm calling bullshit. It doesn't add up. The US government doesn't allow for "Drones" to fly over restricted airspace military bases with nuclear capabilities for a freaking year and then suddenly now start panicking.

Come on now. You'd have to be a fool to believe they don't know.

It's surely just thier own drones and they're testing either the drones themselves or weaponry to disable drones. I don't think it's a coincidence it's coincided with the Ukraine war which has been very drone heavy.

The US military have been signing drone contracts left right and centre and keep delivering more drone tech to Ukraine.

The other option is it's an adversary/prank and they don't want to admit to it. Even advanced drones are relatively cheap these days.
 
None specifically but the fact that there are hundreds of sighting out there now in the last few years, plus the fact that government people are starting to talk about it.
We only know a tiny bit about our planet and the space that it’s in.

I’ve always said it’s arrogant to dismiss stuff just because humanity in this age doesn’t yet know how to do much beyond the realms of their own learnings. interplanetary travel for example.
It's not being dismissed because humanity doesn't know how to do something, it's dismissed because there's no evidence that anyone can examine in a scientific manner. It's dismissed for the same reasons most of us dismiss ghosts and Bigfoot.

When there is evidence of that type, then it will of course pose wider questions. The real arrogance, IMO, is dismissing what we know of modern physics on the basis of some iffy photographs.
 
Just so I'm clear

- "Drones" hover over restricted airspace over Langley US nuclear military base for 17 days straight in Dec 2023

- "Drones" hover over restricted airspace over another US nuclear military facility for a week in the spring

- "Drones" hover over restricted airspace over multiple US military bases in the UK that have nuclear warheads every single night from mid-November until today

- ""Drones" hover over restricted airspace over multiple US military bases including New Jersey every night from mid-November until today

For a whole year......

But the FBI last night

"We don't know who they are, where they're coming from. Please send in any reports so we can investigate. Sure we've got radar that can track a baseball for 5,000 km, or a basketball sized object into space........ But we don't know where they're coming from"

I'm calling bullshit. It doesn't add up. The US government doesn't allow for "Drones" to fly over restricted airspace military bases with nuclear capabilities for a freaking year and then suddenly now start panicking.

Come on now. You'd have to be a fool to believe they don't know.

A select few people have been concerned about it for a while. US law prohibits armed forces to shoot down drones, with the exception of select military installations, in proximity of military bases unless they pose an imminent threat. The vast majority of inursions into US restricted airspace are likely surveilance drones - and no one is going to be shooting down a drone that is just hovering over something. The Chinese have spy satelites that would be able to pick up whatever they need - shooting down drones is just needlessly costly.

What concerns the FBI is probably that drones are interefering with other air-traffic, such as planes, helicopters and the like. The military is clearly not very bothered about it and aren't going to be spending their resources figuring out where they come from.
 
Just so I'm clear

- "Drones" hover over restricted airspace over Langley US nuclear military base for 17 days straight in Dec 2023

- "Drones" hover over restricted airspace over another US nuclear military facility for a week in the spring

- "Drones" hover over restricted airspace over multiple US military bases in the UK that have nuclear warheads every single night from mid-November until today

- ""Drones" hover over restricted airspace over multiple US military bases including New Jersey every night from mid-November until today

For a whole year......

But the FBI last night

"We don't know who they are, where they're coming from. Please send in any reports so we can investigate. Sure we've got radar that can track a baseball for 5,000 km, or a basketball sized object into space........ But we don't know where they're coming from"

I'm calling bullshit. It doesn't add up. The US government doesn't allow for "Drones" to fly over restricted airspace military bases with nuclear capabilities for a freaking year and then suddenly now start panicking.

Come on now. You'd have to be a fool to believe they don't know.

For me, either it's the Russians / Chinese showing off some new toys - and the US could bring them down but doesn't want to give away any information on how they'd do it, or response times etc. being well aware that neither is stupid enough to actually cause any harm directly; or it's American tech they're testing.

Saw something interesting earlier in the week, suggesting that a significant number of nuclear weapons have been moved to the UK in recent months and this would offer an opportunity to test out some new drones if they had them.

Whatever, I agree with you - they know and if they didn't they'd be much more obviously concerned.
 
Just so I'm clear

- "Drones" hover over restricted airspace over Langley US nuclear military base for 17 days straight in Dec 2023

- "Drones" hover over restricted airspace over another US nuclear military facility for a week in the spring

- "Drones" hover over restricted airspace over multiple US military bases in the UK that have nuclear warheads every single night from mid-November until today

- ""Drones" hover over restricted airspace over multiple US military bases including New Jersey every night from mid-November until today

For a whole year......

But the FBI last night

"We don't know who they are, where they're coming from. Please send in any reports so we can investigate. Sure we've got radar that can track a baseball for 5,000 km, or a basketball sized object into space........ But we don't know where they're coming from"

I'm calling bullshit. It doesn't add up. The US government doesn't allow for "Drones" to fly over restricted airspace military bases with nuclear capabilities for a freaking year and then suddenly now start panicking.

Come on now. You'd have to be a fool to believe they don't know.

You do realise that in attempting to make drones sound like some kind of ludicrous possibility you are inherently suggesting that alien life is more plausible as an explanation.

Drones? Laughable

Sentient life from somewhere lightyears away? Well makes more sense that humans.
 
It’s a fascinating topic and I ‘want to believe’, but it needs such clear evidence, the sightings are much more likely to be something on earth than from other planets.

I think aliens exist though, just not here.

I'm personally more convinced now than I was.

The Pentagon UFO videos are really interesting. I've listed to a podcast (Joe Rogan, sadly) with David Fravor - a proper, seriously legitimate fighter pilot and best in his class and he talks about what he saw. He comes across as honest, genuine and pragmatic. You usually don't give state of the art fighter jets to fantasists, and his story is compelling.

I think there's things flying about which defy explanation based on our current understanding, in my opinion. Whether that's NHI tech, to just future tech, who knows.

David Grusch is another interesting character, and again, with his background a serious individual.

I don't know. Very interesting.
 
I'm personally more convinced now than I was.

The Pentagon UFO videos are really interesting. I've listed to a podcast (Joe Rogan, sadly) with David Fravor - a proper, seriously legitimate fighter pilot and best in his class and he talks about what he saw. He comes across as honest, genuine and pragmatic. You usually don't give state of the art fighter jets to fantasists, and his story is compelling.

I think there's things flying about which defy explanation based on our current understanding, in my opinion. Whether that's NHI tech, to just future tech, who knows.

David Grusch is another interesting character, and again, with his background a serious individual.

I don't know. Very interesting.
The fighter pilot one is that the one with the footage from the plane? Where it’s on the surface of the water? Didn’t NASA do a breakdown explaining whatever it is isn’t going that fast?
 
I'm personally more convinced now than I was.

The Pentagon UFO videos are really interesting. I've listed to a podcast (Joe Rogan, sadly) with David Fravor - a proper, seriously legitimate fighter pilot and best in his class and he talks about what he saw. He comes across as honest, genuine and pragmatic. You usually don't give state of the art fighter jets to fantasists, and his story is compelling.

I think there's things flying about which defy explanation based on our current understanding, in my opinion. Whether that's NHI tech, to just future tech, who knows.

David Grusch is another interesting character, and again, with his background a serious individual.

I don't know. Very interesting.
Elite pilots have been talking about "foo fighters" since the 1940s. I'm sorry to say the only difference is, a new generation of UFO enthusiasts has come of age, with this generation's version of blurry photos to unpick, but all amounting to the same old thing.

It's not a coincidence that you see these big flying saucer/UFO/UAP excitements come around every 20 years or so, freshly rebranded for a new generation. This one will pass too, like all the others, inconclusively.

We're not far off 100 years into this phenomenon and we know nothing more solid today, than when it started. I think that says something about the field.
 
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it’s just drones. hire a load of kids or immigrants to boot footballs at them. problem solved.
 
They aren’t abducting people anymore, presumably because they’ve switched from flying saucers full of probe-wielding alien doctors to much smaller drones. Perhaps the doctors have moved on and this is a different lot.
 
it’s just drones. hire a load of kids or immigrants to boot footballs at them. problem solved.
good idea but you could probably just enslave either of those two subsets of the population. This would save on capital.
 
They aren’t abducting people anymore, presumably because they’ve switched from flying saucers full of probe-wielding alien doctors to much smaller drones. Perhaps the doctors have moved on and this is a different lot.
Have you never seen 90s movies? They have obviously been using shrink-rays and are in actuality very tiny - which is why we never seem to be able to get decent pictures of their stuff.
 
The fighter pilot one is that the one with the footage from the plane? Where it’s on the surface of the water? Didn’t NASA do a breakdown explaining whatever it is isn’t going that fast?

There's a few but he's talking about what he actually witnessed, along with three other pilots.

It's referred to here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos

He comes across as very pragmatic and believable and is evidently, noting his job, a serious individual with a lot of experience, and well respected. He talks in the podcast about propulsion and technical aspects of how jet's etc. work,. That's what I currently find fascinating about all of this - that there are serious people, the likes of David Grusch, going before Senate Committees talking about this stuff.

The simple answer is it's just high-tech kit currently in development, but it's interesting nonetheless.
 
Just so I'm clear

- "Drones" hover over restricted airspace over Langley US nuclear military base for 17 days straight in Dec 2023

- "Drones" hover over restricted airspace over another US nuclear military facility for a week in the spring

- "Drones" hover over restricted airspace over multiple US military bases in the UK that have nuclear warheads every single night from mid-November until today

- ""Drones" hover over restricted airspace over multiple US military bases including New Jersey every night from mid-November until today

For a whole year......

But the FBI last night

"We don't know who they are, where they're coming from. Please send in any reports so we can investigate. Sure we've got radar that can track a baseball for 5,000 km, or a basketball sized object into space........ But we don't know where they're coming from"

I'm calling bullshit. It doesn't add up. The US government doesn't allow for "Drones" to fly over restricted airspace military bases with nuclear capabilities for a freaking year and then suddenly now start panicking.

Come on now. You'd have to be a fool to believe they don't know.

Have you ever asked yourself why are aliens interested in the US. Do they get FOX over on their planet so they know Murica is first?
 
Have you ever asked yourself why are aliens interested in the US. Do they get FOX over on their planet so they know Murica is first?

It's not about the US, per se. It's about proliferation of nuclear warheads. The US have the most, therefore, they're likely to be under most scrutiny in terms of reconnaissance. The US are nothing special in and of themselves that NHI would be interested, afterall, this isn't a movie. That being said, there's credible testimony that there was NHI presence over Soviet nuclear bases in the 70's, and pretty much anywhere and everywhere where nuclear capabilities are stored. So you're right to believe that NHI don't preference American's per-se. It's not about them, it's just a matter of who has most firepower. Who is the biggest threat. Which country needs to be watched the most.
 
It's not about the US, per se. It's about proliferation of nuclear warheads. The US have the most, therefore, they're likely to be under most scrutiny in terms of reconnaissance. The US are nothing special in and of themselves that NHI would be interested, afterall, this isn't a movie. That being said, there's credible testimony that there was NHI presence over Soviet nuclear bases in the 70's, and pretty much anywhere and everywhere where nuclear capabilities are stored. So you're right to believe that NHI don't preference American's per-se. It's not about them, it's just a matter of who has most firepower. Who is the biggest threat. Which country needs to be watched the most.
You can tell we are of earth because we're fecking morons thinking nuclear weapons are special.

Any beings capable of travelling from other galaxies to us have harnessed forms of energy that we've probably not yet even discovered.

We are simply incapable of comprehending their advancement.
 
It's not about the US, per se. It's about proliferation of nuclear warheads. The US have the most, therefore, they're likely to be under most scrutiny in terms of reconnaissance. The US are nothing special in and of themselves that NHI would be interested, afterall, this isn't a movie. That being said, there's credible testimony that there was NHI presence over Soviet nuclear bases in the 70's, and pretty much anywhere and everywhere where nuclear capabilities are stored. So you're right to believe that NHI don't preference American's per-se. It's not about them, it's just a matter of who has most firepower. Who is the biggest threat. Which country needs to be watched the most.
No, you are wrong. It's about the capabilites to hack their systems and install a virus.

America has the brightest minds in Bill
Gates and Elon Musk and the most crop dusting planes ready to strike when we reverse engineer one of the alien fighters, fly it into the mothership and take down their shields with a Computer virus. Nuclear weapons might as well be spitballs, as already been proven.

It's so obvious.
 
It's not about the US, per se. It's about proliferation of nuclear warheads. The US have the most, therefore, they're likely to be under most scrutiny in terms of reconnaissance. The US are nothing special in and of themselves that NHI would be interested, afterall, this isn't a movie. That being said, there's credible testimony that there was NHI presence over Soviet nuclear bases in the 70's, and pretty much anywhere and everywhere where nuclear capabilities are stored. So you're right to believe that NHI don't preference American's per-se. It's not about them, it's just a matter of who has most firepower. Who is the biggest threat. Which country needs to be watched the most.
Threat to who?
 
You can tell we are of earth because we're fecking morons thinking nuclear weapons are special.

Any beings capable of travelling from other galaxies to us have harnessed forms of energy that we've probably not yet even discovered.

We are simply incapable of comprehending their advancement.
There's no way they would be interested in our nukes, we don't have enough on the entire planet to propel even a primitive interstellar ship (like project Orion). If aliens were around, they would need inconceivable amounts of energy that would make our nukes look like firecrackers.